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6 minutes ago, LF:D said:

Like fuck I’m telling you after the replies in here. 

 

If people don't believe, I couldn’t care less. 

 

I’ve tried to help, I won’t again. 

It’s a very simple question.

 

Are we talking Scientology or something else?

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1 hour ago, 3 Stacks said:

Obviously, the therapist was not qualified to comment on the legitimacy of my physical symptoms. We did some CBT stuff, which in the end I felt was insufficient because I think there is a real chance that my anxiety is linked to an actual disease. In the end, the whole thing (therapy) was just me venting about my fears and the therapist basically telling me not to conjure up cancer diagnosis scenarios in my head (his advice was more cerebral than that, I'm just simplifying it).

 

It's not the therapist's fault, I just don't think it's helpful in my case.

In my experience physical symptoms which can’t be explained and, especially, owned by one clinical team via a focused treatment plan, end up being soul-destroying and can seriously damage your mental well-being. Arguably worse in that respect than being fully aware of something pretty malign going on physically, but having an established route you can buy into to fight it/mitigate as circumstances allow. 

 

You end up chasing your own tail in ever-decreasing circles and it just burns you out. Had a fair bit of it this past year or so, and been at A&E again today with no light shone on the root cause. I can fully sympathise with how low it must be making you, flying blind with something that’s undermining you all the time. And that’s without the fear of it being something as serious as cancer.

 

The thing is, any suggestion such physical symptoms may be psychosomatic and induced by chronic worry, even partly, can instinctively feel patronising. Just wondering if the therapist involved felt able to suggest whether your no doubt well-founded fears of cancer may be related in that way, and/or offer any tools or advice to deal with it. It’s not something I have any experience with, seeing a therapist for health anxiety. I would say generally though, as with many things, getting the right therapist for you is key. Known people see one and get nowhere, then switch to another who, for whatever reason, was just able to tune into them and their overall complex set of circumstances that bit more astutely, and it be life-changing.

 

On the physical side, do you feel there are tests which should be carried out which haven’t been? Are you confident a particular issue is ruled out once you receive an all-clear on it, or do you still have that nagging sense that maybe the test is wrong or something along those lines? It’s usually fault-testing isn’t it, segmenting things and just slowly trying to rule out factors as significant, so they’re ticked off and the possible causes get fewer. Frustrating not to be able to get physical health and mental health therapists in the same room and have everyone thrash it out together no doubt, it becomes exhausting going back and forth.

 

If I felt there may be something physically wrong which was going undiagnosed I would be strongly pushing for every related test I could possibly get, but after a point if that has all been done yet you’re unconfident in even positive results, perhaps a different therapist may be of value to you. Of course, I get that establishing all physical issues have been ruled out is both fiendishly difficult and the root of the problem, so not trying to tell you things you already know. Just think your well-being is worth you considering trying again to get a handle on what may be exacerbating how you’re feeling.

 

The right therapist is gold-dust, but as with most things, you might not get the right one for you first time. Sorry for the ramble and if any of that sounds presumptuous. Hope you get some respite, that sounds awful.

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1 hour ago, Anubis said:

Alastair Campbell on BBC2 at 9pm tonight, talking about his depression. 

 

Anxiety one last week triggered a fucking fuck load of the people I'm working with. The professor in it too was a bit of a bell.

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16 minutes ago, mgw100 said:

I can't recall seeing anything quite so unflinchingly arrogant. 

Cruise: You don’t understand what I am saying. It’s a statistically proven fact that there is only one successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. Period.

 

Call it a tie?

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Has anyone ever tried hypnosis for anxiety? I'd genuinely be interested in it. 

 

My anxiety is pretty much all subconscious, it's hard-wired into my brainstem, the way a beaten dog recoils when you try and give it a stroke. I don't fidget near the curtains worrying about going out, I've just developed (shit) coping skills down the years which, in most situations, I no longer need but do anyway. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Has anyone ever tried hypnosis for anxiety? I'd genuinely be interested in it. 

 

My anxiety is pretty much all subconscious, it's hard-wired into my brainstem, the way a beaten dog recoils when you try and give it a stroke. I don't fidget near the curtains worrying about going out, I've just developed (shit) coping skills down the years which, in most situations, I no longer need but do anyway. 

 

 

I tried some kind of hypno-cbt type things years ago. The problem I found was it relies on you relaxing enough to enter a state where your brain is receptive to it.

 

I just couldn't relax with a fella in my living room talking at me, so I kinda faked it and kept paying him £50 an hour. Not the soundest strategy, but I figured if I pretended long enough I might just fool myself too. Really wish I'd saved the money and bought a lego millennium falcon.

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20 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Has anyone ever tried hypnosis for anxiety? I'd genuinely be interested in it. 

 

My anxiety is pretty much all subconscious, it's hard-wired into my brainstem, the way a beaten dog recoils when you try and give it a stroke. I don't fidget near the curtains worrying about going out, I've just developed (shit) coping skills down the years which, in most situations, I no longer need but do anyway. 

 

 

 

I've had this come up a few times.

 

Short answer is it's hit and miss.

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2 hours ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:
In my experience physical symptoms which can’t be explained and, especially, owned by one clinical team via a focused treatment plan, end up being soul-destroying and can seriously damage your mental well-being. Arguably worse in that respect than being fully aware of something pretty malign going on physically, but having an established route you can buy into to fight it/mitigate as circumstances allow. 

 

You end up chasing your own tail in ever-decreasing circles and it just burns you out. Had a fair bit of it this past year or so, and been at A&E again today with no light shone on the root cause. I can fully sympathise with how low it must be making you, flying blind with something that’s undermining you all the time. And that’s without the fear of it being something as serious as cancer.

 

The thing is, any suggestion such physical symptoms may be psychosomatic and induced by chronic worry, even partly, can instinctively feel patronising. Just wondering if the therapist involved felt able to suggest whether your no doubt well-founded fears of cancer may be related in that way, and/or offer any tools or advice to deal with it. It’s not something I have any experience with, seeing a therapist for health anxiety. I would say generally though, as with many things, getting the right therapist for you is key. Known people see one and get nowhere, then switch to another who, for whatever reason, was just able to tune into them and their overall complex set of circumstances that bit more astutely, and it be life-changing.

 

On the physical side, do you feel there are tests which should be carried out which haven’t been? Are you confident a particular issue is ruled out once you receive an all-clear on it, or do you still have that nagging sense that maybe the test is wrong or something along those lines? It’s usually fault-testing isn’t it, segmenting things and just slowly trying to rule out factors as significant, so they’re ticked off and the possible causes get fewer. Frustrating not to be able to get physical health and mental health therapists in the same room and have everyone thrash it out together no doubt, it becomes exhausting going back and forth.

 

If I felt there may be something physically wrong which was going undiagnosed I would be strongly pushing for every related test I could possibly get, but after a point if that has all been done yet you’re unconfident in even positive results, perhaps a different therapist may be of value to you. Of course, I get that establishing all physical issues have been ruled out is both fiendishly difficult and the root of the problem, so not trying to tell you things you already know. Just think your well-being is worth you considering trying again to get a handle on what may be exacerbating how you’re feeling.

 

The right therapist is gold-dust, but as with most things, you might not get the right one for you first time. Sorry for the ramble and if any of that sounds presumptuous. Hope you get some respite, that sounds awful.

Thanks for the very considered reply. It encapsulates well the way I've been feeling, it's not at all presumptuous.

 

In terms of tests, the extent of it has been your usual run-of-the-mill blood test, which is about as far as I've gotten with my GP, and an evaluation by an auto-immune disease specialist that was recommended by a surgeon I've had. My young age probably plays some kind of part in the testing or lack thereof.

 

I want to push harder with my GP, but the nature of my symptoms are bizarre. There are chronic ones like constant dull and shooting pain, some bowel issues and a general feeling of having dark clouds above my head and then I have so many symptoms that seem to come and go within weeks or months, like some urinary issues, night sweats, swollen lymph nodes, chills, shortness of breath, itchiness and muscle twitching.

 

It's difficult for me to pinpoint what could be wrong and I sympathise that it's hard for medical professionals to determine this as well, but I'm frustrated. It's like I'm almost waiting for a red flag to pop up which could alert somebody but that's fucked up to think about. It's like I'm fantasizing about it at this point, like I'll be proven right.

 

But the thing is, I can't keep going to the doctor every month or two and keep getting sent back home. It's no way to live and my GP 100% has no idea what to do with me anymore. It's human nature but I doubt she takes me seriously at this point.

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22 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Thanks for the very considered reply. It encapsulates well the way I've been feeling, it's not at all presumptuous.

 

In terms of tests, the extent of it has been your usual run-of-the-mill blood test, which is about as far as I've gotten with my GP, and an evaluation by an auto-immune disease specialist that was recommended by a surgeon I've had. My young age probably plays some kind of part in the testing or lack thereof.

 

I want to push harder with my GP, but the nature of my symptoms are bizarre. There are chronic ones like constant dull and shooting pain, some bowel issues and a general feeling of having dark clouds above my head and then I have so many symptoms that seem to come and go within weeks or months, like some urinary issues, night sweats, swollen lymph nodes, chills, shortness of breath, itchiness and muscle twitching.

 

It's difficult for me to pinpoint what could be wrong and I sympathise that it's hard for medical professionals to determine this as well, but I'm frustrated. It's like I'm almost waiting for a red flag to pop up which could alert somebody but that's fucked up to think about. It's like I'm fantasizing about it at this point, like I'll be proven right.

 

But the thing is, I can't keep going to the doctor every month or two and keep getting sent back home. It's no way to live and my GP 100% has no idea what to do with me anymore. It's human nature but I doubt she takes me seriously at this point.

These are all symptoms associated with anxiety and/or depression. I've had these at one time or another over the last year too. 

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2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

It’s fucking Scientology isn’t it.  Ha ha ha. 

Yeah I'm Tom Cruise.

 

Jesus christ people making fun, belittling others etc on a topic about depression.

 

This place is really toxic at times. Disgusting in fact.

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1 hour ago, Seasons said:

Thoughts on the BBC prog?

It was interesting to see somebody I’ve always regarded as a strong, belligerent individual, display such vulnerability. 

 

I felt for the guy in the psilocybin trial. It must be hard for someone who has spent most of his life in deep depression, to have that three months where he was free of it, but then be unable to go back and get further treatment because permission for the trial has ended.

 

But then without an extended trial we don’t know if it would have worked similarly a second time, or if it would have been the law of diminishing returns, or even if it would have had a completely different effect. And we only got to see him, so we don’t know if it worked for the other trialists.

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15 minutes ago, LF:D said:

Yeah I'm Tom Cruise.

 

Jesus christ people making fun, belittling others etc on a topic about depression.

 

This place is really toxic at times. Disgusting in fact.

It’s perfectly awful the way people ask you to justify sweeping things you’ve said and pull you up on your laughable pompousness.

 

If I was you I wouldn’t stand for it and to teach them a lesson would refuse to provide details of a secret cure you know about.

 

If people won’t believe in it without you saying what it is and providing some evidence, more fool them. 

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Has anyone read any of this Matt Haig's stuff? He's always on Twitter moaning about how stressed he is which makes me suspect they don't work.

 

"Got up to make a brew before but had to sit down again." 

 

Inspiring stuff. A depressed Martin Lewis.

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