Depression

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

I have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression. I have suffered with one or both for two decades.

[LF:D]

1 minute ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

You truly are a fucking bellend.

Yep a bellend who has tried to help people.

 

Sorry for trying.

[LF:D]

Just now, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

I have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression. I have suffered with one or both for two decades.

Wrongly diagnosed probably, just like I was.

 

Oh, sorry just reread that.  Different things at different times - sorry to hear that.  

 

I'm only arguing that you can't be depressed & anxious at the same time.  Not that you can't have one then the other. 

[Dr Nowt]

2 minutes ago, LF:D said:

Yep a bellend who has tried to help people.

 

Sorry for trying.

Don’t let me stop you providing the site with valuable content. It sounds like you have had the sole and definitive experience of mental health issues.

 

Feel free to post the science supporting the various things you’ve said, such as talking therapy being of no value for anxiety.

[Tony Moanero]

23 minutes ago, LF:D said:

OK well if you believe that fair enough.

 

I clearly don't agree. 

Sound.

[LF:D]

1 minute ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Don’t let me stop you providing the site with valuable content. It sounds like you have had the sole and definitive experience of mental health issues.

 

Feel free to post the science supporting the various things you’ve said, such as talking therapy being of no value for anxiety.

Well stop calling people bellends & belittling their posts on such an important discussion and I might. 

 

I am passionate about this as I have suffered for 15 years+ 

 

I am the walking example of being misdiagnosed.  I am the one who tried all those different medicines and other suggested solutions.  

 

If people don't agree with my, like maybe you, Tony etc don't - that's fine.

 

But let's have a reasoned discussion about it - I am trying to help people not go through what I have had to do so.

[LF:D]

I'd be interested to know someone on here who says they currently have both depression & anxiety.

 

Do you not care about LFC

Care about eating

Care about your friends and family

 

That's when you are clinically depressed - you don't care about anything.

 

Anxiety is fear.  Protection.  "what if I jumped off a cliff" "what if a bomb went off" etc etc.  It is about caring and fearing awful things might happen so the body protects itself through anxiety.

 

Hence why panic attacks occur, shaking, increased heart rate, trouble sleeping and whatever other symptoms you get.

 

That is my belief, you can't have both at the same time.  But you can feel extremely down with anxiety, maybe feeling depressed (low).  But you're not depressed if you care.

 

That's my belief anyway.

 

Cure the anxiety then see if you still have depression. 

 

If you disagree fair enough.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Everything i’ve been through i always think of my kids, i have been in the position were only my love for them as made me go on, not for me, for them.

They have had enough to deal with over the years, the thought of me leaving them and putting more on them was always with me. I have had a Nervous Breakdown and been unable to cope.

 

At the moment I rarely socialise, turn down work and stopped going the game.

I dodge as many family occasions as I can, and only drink at home.

I have stopped drinking now for three weeks after a scare. I plan to continue or partake rarely. 

 

I have regular Panic Attacks, especially in crowds which I avoid if possible.

Had a Panic Attack on a plane a few times, hate flying now but it’s a means to an end. Already worrying about my next holiday two months off.

 

 

[LF:D]

5 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Everything i’ve been through i always think of my kids, i have been in the position were only my love for them as made me go on, not for me, for them.

They have had enough to deal with over the years, the thought of me leaving them and putting more on them was always with me. I have had a Nervous Breakdown and been unable to cope.

 

At the moment I rarely socialise, turn down work and stopped going the game.

I dodge as many family occasions as I can, and only drink at home.

I have stopped drinking now for three weeks after a scare. I plan to continue or partake rarely. 

 

I have regular Panic Attacks, especially in crowds which I avoid if possible.

Had a Panic Attack on a plane a few times, hate flying now but it’s a means to an end. Already worrying about my next holiday two months off.

Sorry to hear all this mate.

 

Sounds to me like you suffer from a fear condition (like I do).

 

Have you done anything to try to cure or ease it?

 

If you want to talk privately (that goes for anyone else) DM me.

 

I got to go out now, but will be back later. 

[Oh Buoy]

5 minutes ago, LF:D said:

I'd be interested to know someone on here who says they currently have both depression & anxiety.

 

Do you not care about LFC

Care about eating

Care about your friends and family

 

That's when you are clinically depressed - you don't care about anything.

 

Anxiety is fear.  Protection.  "what if I jumped off a cliff" "what if a bomb went off" etc etc.  It is about caring and fearing awful things might happen so the body protects itself through anxiety.

 

Hence why panic attacks occur, shaking, increased heart rate, trouble sleeping and whatever other symptoms you get.

 

That is my belief, you can't have both at the same time.  But you can feel extremely down with anxiety, maybe feeling depressed (low).  But you're not depressed if you care.

 

That's my belief anyway.

 

Cure the anxiety then see if you still have depression. 

 

If you disagree fair enough.

 

Iya mate. 

 

I can understand your points here but I think you need to move away from seeing these as obsolete and more of a dynamic interchange. I'll give you an example, Jon works 8am - 6pm every day, he has a great job, a brilliant family but recently his dad has just passed. Everything's gone a bit tits up, the demands at work seem harder, his wife seems like she demands more and he's worrying about whether or not he'll keep his job or even have enough to pay the bills. You've got a few variables here, the stress of work which may eventually lead to panic anxiety, you've got the family/marriage situation which may be contributing to his depressive symptoms (e.g. I'm not good enough, I'm not a good husband) and then you've got the bereavement which will send Jon into overdrive. 

 

If we told Jon that he can't have depression and anxiety, he'd probably tell you where to go. What he might experience is anxiety when he wakes up for work, depression when he sees his wife for breakfast, anxiety during the drive to which interchanges of depression as this was often when he'd often call his dad. Panic could happen the moment he reaches work and that sudden sense of dread kicks in. 

 

Therapy isn't a one-size fits all. There's numerous approaches to try and improve situations/symptoms and just because one hasn't worked for you doesn't mean it couldn't work for Jon. Same goes for medication. 

 

Happy to discuss further if you wish. 

[Scott_M]

Getting to the CL Final should be a great occasion to loom forward to. 

 

Thats until it brings out the worst in your mates leaving you and your Dad with 1 ticket between 2.

 

Dad is forcing me into having it and won’t travel without one himself. I should be grateful instead the guilt is washing over me - I feel sick, I can’t  concentrate, my stomach is like a washing machine, I can’t sleep, I ache all over...

 

I should be looking forward to this instead I couldn’t be more stressed about it. 

[LF:D]

7 minutes ago, Seasons said:

 

Iya mate. 

 

I can understand your points here but I think you need to move away from seeing these as obsolete and more of a dynamic interchange. I'll give you an example, Jon works 8am - 6pm every day, he has a great job, a brilliant family but recently his dad has just passed. Everything's gone a bit tits up, the demands at work seem harder, his wife seems like she demands more and he's worrying about whether or not he'll keep his job or even have enough to pay the bills. You've got a few variables here, the stress of work which may eventually lead to panic anxiety, you've got the family/marriage situation which may be contributing to his depressive symptoms (e.g. I'm not good enough, I'm not a good husband) and then you've got the bereavement which will send Jon into overdrive. 

 

If we told Jon that he can't have depression and anxiety, he'd probably tell you where to go. What he might experience is anxiety when he wakes up for work, depression when he sees his wife for breakfast, anxiety during the drive to which interchanges of depression as this was often when he'd often call his dad. Panic could happen the moment he reaches work and that sudden sense of dread kicks in. 

 

Therapy isn't a one-size fits all. There's numerous approaches to try and improve situations/symptoms and just because one hasn't worked for you doesn't mean it couldn't work for Jon. Same goes for medication. 

 

Happy to discuss further if you wish. 

I used to think that one thing might work for others type thinking.

 

But in terms of curing anxiety - I really don't think so.  

 

I talking about anxiety here not depression.  I said in my original post in this thread, medication, seeing therapist etc might be best for them.  I don't have depression, I wouldn't know.

 

I'm saying your mind can't be thinking the same at the same time.  It's like thinking I'm hot and cold.  You're either hot or you're cold. 

 

In the example you give the panic attacks are coming due to fear. The stress has become so extreme the mind is going on overdrive & fear is overriding hence - panic.

 

Stop the anxiety, stop the panic attacks & you'd probably go a long way to stopping the man from feeling down as he can then lead a normal life dealing with those stressful situations better - new job, reeducating, moving on from troubles etc.  As people do move on, but fear so often holds them back.

 

In that example the person cares - about his family & life, it's fear that's holding him back & stress has brought out that fear.

 

Stop the anxiety!  Talking about it, taking medication to have adverse effects - in my opinion are not the solutions and can in a lot of cases add to the problems.

 

If someone is clinically depressed - that's different, they probably need medication, therapy and that type of help.  

[Oh Buoy]

1 minute ago, LF:D said:

I used to think that one thing might work for others type thinking.

 

But in terms of curing anxiety - I really don't think so.  

 

I talking about anxiety here not depression.  I said in my original post in this thread, medication, seeing therapist etc might be best for them.  I don't have depression, I wouldn't know.

 

I'm saying your mind can't be thinking the same at the same time.  It's like thinking I'm hot and cold.  You're either hot or you're cold. 

 

In the example you give the panic attacks are coming due to fear. The stress has become so extreme the mind is going on overdrive & fear is overriding hence - panic.

 

Stop the anxiety, stop the panic attacks & you'd probably go a long way to stopping the man from feeling down as he can then lead a normal life dealing with those stressful situations better - new job, reeducating, moving on from troubles etc.  As people do move on, but fear so often holds them back.

 

In that example the person cares - about his family & life, it's fear that's holding him back & stress has brought out that fear.

 

Stop the anxiety!  Talking about it, taking medication to have adverse effects - in my opinion are not the solutions and can in a lot of cases add to the problems.

 

If someone is clinically depressed - that's different, they probably need medication, therapy and that type of help.  

 

Panic anxiety, healthy anxiety, social anxiety, GAD or phobias are treated in the same way as depression. Often through either counselling (your traditional talking therapies) or through CBT. Anxiety is measured with GAD7 (and then additional questionnaires should these be required) and Depression measured by PHQ9. 

 

You've said this in a previous post: 

 

Anxiety is fear.  Protection.  "what if I jumped off a cliff" "what if a bomb went off" etc etc.  It is about caring and fearing awful things might happen so the body protects itself through anxiety.

 

Hence why panic attacks occur, shaking, increased heart rate, trouble sleeping and whatever other symptoms you get.

 

That to me, sounds like worry management which can be groups into panic anxiety or GAD depending on whether or not panic attacks are occurring or whether you're just feeling a bit unsettled. In this instance, we'd work on self-reflection, understanding the fear and maybe even exposure therapy if it was deemed appropriate. It could also be something more deep rooted but it all comes to where/when this developed and how it came about. 

 

What if statements are the most common indicators for anxiety and a great example of the fight/flight or freeze response. 

 

Medication isn't there to solve the problem but to get you to a more stable platform to them work on emotional regulation, circumstance and contributing factors. 

[Captain Turdseye]

2 hours ago, LF:D said:

This is why I haven't posted on this forum about this topic as you get these type of idiotic responses.

 

Apparently science is a sweeping statement. 

 

I won't bother trying to help people then.

 

Oh no! What the fuck are they gonna do now?

[LF:D]

19 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

Oh no! What the fuck are they gonna do now?

Just like Lizzie, offering fuck all constructive to the debate. 

 

Why i I shouldn’t have bothered. 

 

What will they do? Continue to live in fear, struggle & it damaging their life. 

 

Probably taking wrong advice being on medication, CBT, talking to a therapist. 

 

Instead of doing the right approach to curing it. 

 

That’s one snide post too much for me on such an important discussion. How people can just pop in with such comments baffles me. 

 

I genuinely think I can cure people from their anxiety. 

 

But fuck it I’ll shut up instead I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about & the forum bullies win again.  

[Dr Nowt]

4 minutes ago, LF:D said:

Just like Lizzie, offering fuck all constructive to the debate. 

 

Why i I shouldn’t have bothered. 

 

What will they do? Continue to live in fear, struggle & it damaging their life. 

 

Probably taking wrong advice being on medication, CBT, talking to a therapist. 

 

Instead of doing the right approach to curing it. 

 

That’s one snide post too much for me on such an important discussion. How people can just pop in with such comments baffles me. 

 

I genuinely think I can cure people from their anxiety. 

 

But fuck it I’ll shut up instead I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about & the forum bullies win again.  

Quoted for sheer majesty.

[LF:D]

1 minute ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Quoted for sheer majesty.

That’s right. 

 

You might get a like or a thumbs up from the other bullies on here who do nothing but snipe at people. 

 

Way to go. Let’s forget about the topic & potentially helping people. 

 

Hope you get a few likes & it was worth it. 

[Captain Turdseye]

6 minutes ago, LF:D said:

Just like Lizzie, offering fuck all constructive to the debate. 

 

Why i I shouldn’t have bothered. 

 

What will they do? Continue to live in fear, struggle & it damaging their life. 

 

Probably taking wrong advice being on medication, CBT, talking to a therapist. 

 

I dreading of doing the right approach to curing it. 

 

That’s one snide post too much for me on such an important decision. How people can just pop in with such comments baffles me. 

 

I genuinely think I can cure people from their anxiety. 

 

But fuck it I’ll shut up instead I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about & the forum bullies win again.  

 

1 hour ago, LF:D said:

OK well if you believe that fair enough.

 

I clearly don't agree. 

 

1 hour ago, LF:D said:

That is my belief, you can't have both at the same time.  But you can feel extremely down with anxiety, maybe feeling depressed (low).  But you're not depressed if you care.

 

That's my belief anyway.

 

Cure the anxiety then see if you still have depression. 

 

If you disagree fair enough.

 

32 minutes ago, LF:D said:

Talking about it, taking medication to have adverse effects - in my opinion are not the solutions and can in a lot of cases add to the problems.

 

It’s incredible how a stats gimp from the Isle of Man became the world’s leading voice on anxiety and depression with nothing other than belief and opinions. 

 

In my opinion you’re a fucking twat. That’s my belief anyway. 

[Bjornebye]

48 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

Getting to the CL Final should be a great occasion to loom forward to. 

 

Thats until it brings out the worst in your mates leaving you and your Dad with 1 ticket between 2.

 

Dad is forcing me into having it and won’t travel without one himself. I should be grateful instead the guilt is washing over me - I feel sick, I can’t  concentrate, my stomach is like a washing machine, I can’t sleep, I ache all over...

 

I should be looking forward to this instead I couldn’t be more stressed about it. 

I'll have it then mate. 

 

 

 

My names Stig. I solve problems. 

[LF:D]

Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

It’s incredible how a stats gimp from the Isle of Man became the world’s leading voice on anxiety and depression with nothing other than belief and opinions. 

 

In my opinion you’re a fucking twat. That’s my belief anyway. 

Keep going bully. 

 

I’m not a leading voice. I have learnt from people that are though. 

 

Ones who have cured 100,000s of people. 

[Captain Turdseye]

Just now, LF:D said:

Keep going bully. 

 

I won’t stay for this. I’m asking Dave to delete my account. 

[LF:D]

Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

 

I won’t stay for this. I’m asking Dave to delete my account. 

We wish! Haha 

[Dr Nowt]

23 minutes ago, LF:D said:

That’s right. 

 

You might get a like or a thumbs up from the other bullies on here who do nothing but snipe at people. 

 

Way to go. Let’s forget about the topic & potentially helping people. 

 

Hope you get a few likes & it was worth it. 

Calls someone idiotic, then claims to be being bullied when responded to in kind. Standard.

 

It’s obviously impossible I may think you’ve made some bizarre sweeping generalisations in an arrogant manner, so wanting a few extra upvotes is the only explanation.

 

The ego on you.

[LF:D]

No ego at all. 

 

Quite the opposite. 

 

You are an idiot though! You offer fuck all to discussions. 

 

This snide comments. I can’t be arsed & why this will be my last post. 

 

Enjoy anxiety everyone blame Lizzie & CT as to why I can’t help you cure it. 

[Dr Nowt]

Mother. Of. Fucking. God.