Depression

[General Dryness]

Bet you can sleep all day. I do think Venlafaxine works a lot better than Citalopram .

I am prone to the odd nap on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, yes.

[Elite]

I am prone to the odd nap on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, yes.

I could have 9 hours sleep and then go back bed for about 3 hours during the day too

[General Dryness]

I could have 9 hours sleep and then go back bed for about 3 hours during the day too

Don't think I could do that mate, although I am tending more towards having a lie in at weekends these days. I'd put that down more to getting into the mid forties though, chugging full steam towards old age.

[Hades]

Having spent years in therapy, I'm arriving at the conclusion that most mental illness is a pile of shit. Disconnection from nature, breakdown of traditional sources of belonging like family, religion, society and nationalism,  impossible to attain physical and mental standards and poor parenting aren't resolvable through talking or drugs. In fact, being told that one's problems are entirely a result of faulty thinking is the worst thing you could tell a mentally ill person as it fills them with self-doubt. Addictive drugs function to sedate an individual strongly enough that they don't begin pointing fingers at society or others. Truly a Brave New World dystopia.

[Captain Turdseye]

What’s your solution then, Hades?

[moof]

What’s your solution then, Hades?

Rise up against the feminazi matriarchy

[Hades]

What’s your solution then, Hades?

 

Fuck knows. What I won't do is saddle the future generation with the problem.

 

Rise up against the feminazi matriarchy

 

Don't worry your pretty little head about this.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Having spent years in therapy, I'm arriving at the conclusion that most mental illness is a pile of shit. Disconnection from nature, breakdown of traditional sources of belonging like family, religion, society and nationalism, impossible to attain physical and mental standards and poor parenting aren't resolvable through talking or drugs. In fact, being told that one's problems are entirely a result of faulty thinking is the worst thing you could tell a mentally ill person as it fills them with self-doubt. Addictive drugs function to sedate an individual strongly enough that they don't begin pointing fingers at society or others. Truly a Brave New World dystopia.

The drugs don't remove those problems , they make you immune to them.

[Oh Buoy]

Having spent years in therapy, I'm arriving at the conclusion that most mental illness is a pile of shit. Disconnection from nature, breakdown of traditional sources of belonging like family, religion, society and nationalism,  impossible to attain physical and mental standards and poor parenting aren't resolvable through talking or drugs. In fact, being told that one's problems are entirely a result of faulty thinking is the worst thing you could tell a mentally ill person as it fills them with self-doubt. Addictive drugs function to sedate an individual strongly enough that they don't begin pointing fingers at society or others. Truly a Brave New World dystopia.

 

Just wanted to jump in on this.

 

I'm arriving at the conclusion that most mental illness is a pile of shit. Disconnection from nature, breakdown of traditional sources of belonging like family, religion, society and nationalism

Most common mental problems are often a result of work stress, changes in circumstances (e.g. moving house, having a child, getting divorced), loss (e.g. bereavement, social disconnection (whether that's family or friendships like you've highlighted), lack of purpose/feeling of failure (e.g. comparing your successes to your peers etc). I am yet to come across nationalism and religion (e.g. although forced marriage is common which I suppose is a consequence of religion).

 

I wouldn't say these problems are piles of shit though. I think they're just someone need a little support here and there.

 

Impossible to attain physical and mental standards and poor parenting aren't resolvable through talking or drugs.

Actually, talking therapies is quite effective to breaking 'the loop' on trauma. When you have nobody around you (e.g. family and friends) to discuss this, it can be triggered by watching a TV programme and all those feelings of guilt/regret can come flooding back. Talking to a professional can actually help you come to acceptance and give you an ability to move on. It doesn't work for everyone, but it does for a lot of people.

 

In fact, being told that one's problems are entirely a result of faulty thinking is the worst thing you could tell a mentally ill person as it fills them with self-doubt. Addictive drugs function to sedate an individual strongly enough that they don't begin pointing fingers at society or others. Truly a Brave New World dystopia.

Most clients are surprised that what they are going through is so common. In fact, telling them that it's simple just a matter of realigning their coping strategies is a sense of relief as they can get shut of the ideas like, "it must be me", "there's something wrong with me", "I shouldn't be having these thoughts". Saying to someone struggling that it's alright and it's normal to be like this but also that there's a way back to where they want to be. Game changing, mate.

 

Finally, I just wanted to add that I'm sorry to hear that you've lost confidence in what is described as mental health. Therapy is designed to give you the basics to help you manage the problem and reduce the bad days. It's not a tool that 'fixes' the problem because we all have those bad days - but it's knowing what to do when you have them.

[Scrump]

I might just cancel my membership here and ask Dave for a refund, it's bad for your mental health.

Yep. An in-depth study of the GF would reveal that posting on TLW is strongly associated with excessive alcohol consumption, drug taking, depression, obesity and divorce.

 

(Not necessarily in that order)

[rubble-rouser]

Hades, you live in this world, not the world you want to be in.

 

If you want to change it, get up off your arse and do something instead of peddling half-baked pseudo intellectual adolescent shite on an internet message board. If you change it and create your utopia, great, you won't  need therapy (although the children of the political opponents you advocate murdering might have some issues).

 

Even if you do change the world it's going to take time. Get some fucking help before then. Don't take medication if you don't want to, but maybe change therapists. 

[Champ]

Thanks , my worry is I'm starting  a medication that for the vast majority of the time i don't think I need , as a rule I'm not an anxious person regarding every day stuff it's just this one intermittent phobia 

By the way , what dose did you start with if you don't mind me asking ?

On each occasion I've been prescribed it I've been given a prescription along the lines of 10mg for a few days increasing to 20mg and then 30mg and then returning for a review after about 2 weeks. That said, your description of how you're affected isnt the same as the experiences I've had and that's likely to affect how you're prescribed. I do find it helpful reading others' experiences but the most important thing for me has been the relationship I've built up over time with my GP; I trust her experience of working with a large group of people and over time she has given me certain scope to self regulate depending on how I have felt.

 

Along the way I've also found yoga and mindfulness very helpful in turning down feelings of anxiety/stress.

It really is really is a matter of trying to find what works for you

[rubble-rouser]

On each occasion I've been prescribed it I've been given a prescription along the lines of 10mg for a few days increasing to 20mg and then 30mg and then returning for a review after about 2 weeks. That said, your description of how you're affected isnt the same as the experiences I've had and that's likely to affect how you're prescribed. I do find it helpful reading others' experiences but the most important thing for me has been the relationship I've built up over time with my GP; I trust her experience of working with a large group of people and over time she has given me certain scope to self regulate depending on how I have felt.

 

Along the way I've also found yoga and mindfulness very helpful in turning down feelings of anxiety/stress.

It really is really is a matter of trying to find what works for you

 

This is it - the entire theme of this thread summed up.

 

I've found therapy helpful for the last few months - just helping me order my thoughts and take stock. I don't think it's a panacea but it's enabled me to look at myself non-critically and accept certain things about myself, just recognise why I  keep falling down the same holes again and again, and hopefully avoid them next time. It's helped me think about my moods and actions - I guess that is being mindful - so that I stop myself going down certain familiar thought pathways that lead to anger or fear or just drinking. It's he;ped me ;learn a lot about myself and I wish I'd done it years ago. 

 

It certainly doesn't mean accepting everything around you, including the wider world. 

[Bjornebye]

Cutting back on drink really helped but the last week or so I feel like I have been fighting bad thoughts off. Not sleeping well again etc. Plus it's pretty much 2 years since I moved back up north and I don't feel like I have achieved much at all. Set back after set back. On a plus side I am a hell of a lot better in my head than I was 2 years ago. I was suicidal at points. Maybe I have achieved something. Need to get back down south though.

[Tony Moanero]

Cutting back on drink really helped but the last week or so I feel like I have been fighting bad thoughts off. Not sleeping well again etc. Plus it's pretty much 2 years since I moved back up north and I don't feel like I have achieved much at all. Set back after set back. On a plus side I am a hell of a lot better in my head than I was 2 years ago. I was suicidal at points. Maybe I have achieved something. Need to get back down south though.

Why do you want to move back down there, Stig?

[Oh Buoy]

Why do you want to move back down there, Stig?

Yer ma.

[A Red]

Cutting back on drink really helped but the last week or so I feel like I have been fighting bad thoughts off. Not sleeping well again etc. Plus it's pretty much 2 years since I moved back up north and I don't feel like I have achieved much at all. Set back after set back. On a plus side I am a hell of a lot better in my head than I was 2 years ago. I was suicidal at points. Maybe I have achieved something. Need to get back down south though.

Sounds like to me that you need a long term proper plan of where you want to be and what you want to be doing. Think of the job you'd like to be doing and where you'd like to do it then make constant little steps towards it. Dont think months but rather a few years ahead.

[Bjornebye]

Why do you want to move back down there, Stig?

 

Bigger and better network of friends. Ive got mates back up here but they are all beakheads and still laughing at the same shit we did when we were kids. I've zero motivation to socialise with them bar 1 or 2 of them. Down south i've got shitloads of mates and was always active and doing stuff. I just feel like it is a better lifestyle especially in Southsea. 

 

Sounds like to me that you need a long term proper plan of where you want to be and what you want to be doing. Think of the job you'd like to be doing and where you'd like to do it then make constant little steps towards it. Dont think months but rather a few years ahead.

 

You are right mate, sound advice and I will take heed. Thanks fella

[ZonkoVille77]

Bigger and better network of friends. Ive got mates back up here but they are all beakheads and still laughing at the same shit we did when we were kids. I've zero motivation to socialise with them bar 1 or 2 of them. Down south i've got shitloads of mates and was always active and doing stuff. I just feel like it is a better lifestyle especially in Southsea.

 

 

You are right mate, sound advice and I will take heed. Thanks fella

You only get one chance. Get back down there if it made you happier.

 

And stop wanking.

[Hades]

 

Just wanted to jump in on this.

 

 

Most common mental problems are often a result of work stress, changes in circumstances (e.g. moving house, having a child, getting divorced), loss (e.g. bereavement, social disconnection (whether that's family or friendships like you've highlighted), lack of purpose/feeling of failure (e.g. comparing your successes to your peers etc). I am yet to come across nationalism and religion (e.g. although forced marriage is common which I suppose is a consequence of religion).

 

I wouldn't say these problems are piles of shit though. I think they're just someone need a little support here and there.

 

 

Actually, talking therapies is quite effective to breaking 'the loop' on trauma. When you have nobody around you (e.g. family and friends) to discuss this, it can be triggered by watching a TV programme and all those feelings of guilt/regret can come flooding back. Talking to a professional can actually help you come to acceptance and give you an ability to move on. It doesn't work for everyone, but it does for a lot of people.

 

 

Most clients are surprised that what they are going through is so common. In fact, telling them that it's simple just a matter of realigning their coping strategies is a sense of relief as they can get shut of the ideas like, "it must be me", "there's something wrong with me", "I shouldn't be having these thoughts". Saying to someone struggling that it's alright and it's normal to be like this but also that there's a way back to where they want to be. Game changing, mate.

 

Finally, I just wanted to add that I'm sorry to hear that you've lost confidence in what is described as mental health. Therapy is designed to give you the basics to help you manage the problem and reduce the bad days. It's not a tool that 'fixes' the problem because we all have those bad days - but it's knowing what to do when you have them.

 

The proof is in the pudding. I gave it plenty of chances and it's no substitute for clear, logical thinking and a sense of belonging to a tight-knit community. On balance I would say it does net harm as it individualises social problems.

 

Hades, you live in this world, not the world you want to be in.

 

If you want to change it, get up off your arse and do something instead of peddling half-baked pseudo intellectual adolescent shite on an internet message board. If you change it and create your utopia, great, you won't  need therapy (although the children of the political opponents you advocate murdering might have some issues).

 

Even if you do change the world it's going to take time. Get some fucking help before then. Don't take medication if you don't want to, but maybe change therapists. 

 

I would have given the same advice some years ago. It seems trite now. Humanity uncorked the bottle and there's no way to put it back in.

[Champ]

Cutting back on drink really helped but the last week or so I feel like I have been fighting bad thoughts off. Not sleeping well again etc. Plus it's pretty much 2 years since I moved back up north and I don't feel like I have achieved much at all. Set back after set back. On a plus side I am a hell of a lot better in my head than I was 2 years ago. I was suicidal at points. Maybe I have achieved something. Need to get back down south though.

2. And you now know where you want to live. Make it happen

[Oh Buoy]

The proof is in the pudding. I gave it plenty of chances and it's no substitute for clear, logical thinking and a sense of belonging to a tight-knit community. On balance I would say it does net harm as it individualises social problems.

 

 

I would have given the same advice some years ago. It seems trite now. Humanity uncorked the bottle and there's no way to put it back in.

 

CBT is designed to promote self-reflection - that is, in essence, what you've described as clear, logical thinking.

 

Therapies are also designed to work towards goals and so, if one of those goals were to, "increase a sense of belonging to a tight-knit community", then it's your challenge to work towards that. Therapy will help you overcome the hurdles you may come across, but you're the one who has to engage and present yourself into these social spheres.

 

Individualising social problems is where person-centred care comes into play. Whilst depression/anxiety are extremely common, we will often find ourselves at different points on the scale. It is therefore quite important to individualise the factors contributing to the problem but I wouldn't say this individualises social problems, I'd argue the opposite actually.

[Section_31]

I think a huge source of anxiety and depression is the basic state of the world we live in now. It's precarious on every level, and I reckon it's been designed to be that way to keep you workig and keep you maliable to ever decreasing rewards.

 

No 'creature' can exist in an environment where it's constantly under threat, be it in terms of geopolitical threats, financial threats or whatever. It's like a bird building a nest and it constantly getting ripped up by some fucker. After a while the bird just says 'fuck this'.

[Hades]

CBT is designed to promote self-reflection - that is, in essence, what you've described as clear, logical thinking.

 

Therapies are also designed to work towards goals and so, if one of those goals were to, "increase a sense of belonging to a tight-knit community", then it's your challenge to work towards that. Therapy will help you overcome the hurdles you may come across, but you're the one who has to engage and present yourself into these social spheres.

 

Individualising social problems is where person-centred care comes into play. Whilst depression/anxiety are extremely common, we will often find ourselves at different points on the scale. It is therefore quite important to individualise the factors contributing to the problem but I wouldn't say this individualises social problems, I'd argue the opposite actually.

 

Completely useless, glib advice. You'd make a great therapist.

 

[Rico1304]

I think a huge source of anxiety and depression is the basic state of the world we live in now. It's precarious on every level, and I reckon it's been designed to be that way to keep you workig and keep you maliable to ever decreasing rewards.

 

No 'creature' can exist in an environment where it's constantly under threat, be it in terms of geopolitical threats, financial threats or whatever. It's like a bird building a nest and it constantly getting ripped up by some fucker. After a while the bird just says 'fuck this'.

We’re all safer than we’ve ever been though.