Quantcast
TLW History Thread - Page 3 - GF - General Forum - The Liverpool Way Jump to content
Lee909

TLW History Thread

Recommended Posts

Just in the middle of watching the BBC 3 part documentary on the Nuremberg trials,its not bad and should lead to some interesting reading.

 

 

Did anyone know that Hermann Goering's brother was a anti-Nazi and helped Jews escape concentration camps and had contact with the Czech resistance?

He was arrested 4 times but ended up getting off with it due to Hermann's influence

 

 

Göring seemed to have acquired his godfather's character as a bon vivant and looked set to lead an "unremarkable life" as a filmmaker, until the Nazis came to power in 1933. Unlike his elder brother Hermann, who was a leading party member, Albert Göring despised Nazism and the brutality that it involved.

Many anecdotal stories exist about Göring's resistance to the Nazi ideology and regime. For example, Albert is reported to have joined a group of Jewish women that had been forced to scrub the street. The SS officer in charge inspected his identification, and ordered the group's scrubbing activity to stop after realizing he could be held responsible for allowing Hermann Göring's brother to be publicly humiliated.

Albert Göring used his influence to get his Jewish former boss Oskar Pilzer freed after the Nazis had arrested him. Göring then helped Pilzer and his family escape from Germany. He is reported to have done the same for many other dissidents.

Göring intensified his anti-Nazi activity when he was made export director at the Škoda Works in Czechoslovakia. Here, he encouraged minor acts of sabotage and had contact with the Czech resistance. On many occasions, Göring forged his brother's signature on transit documents to enable dissidents to escape. When he was caught, he used his brother's influence to get himself released. Göring also sent trucks to Nazi concentration camps with requests for labour. These trucks would then stop in an isolated area, and their passengers would be allowed to escape.

After the war, Albert Göring was questioned during the Nuremberg Tribunal. However, many of the people whom he had helped testified on his behalf, and he was released. Soon afterwards, Göring was arrested by the Czechs but was once again freed when the full extent of his activities became known.

In 2010, Edda Göring, the daughter of Hermann, said of Albert Göring in an article in The Guardian

He could certainly help people in need himself financially and with his personal influence, but, as soon as it was necessary to involve higher authority or officials, then he had to have the support of my father, which he did get.

Later life

Göring returned to Germany but found himself shunned because of his family name. He found occasional work as a writer and translator, living in a modest flat far from the baronial splendour of his childhood. Before his death, Göring was living on a pension from the government. He knew that if he was to get married, the pension payments would be transferred to his wife after his death. As a sign of gratitude, in 1966 Göring married his housekeeper so she could receive his pension. One week later, he died without having his wartime activities publicly acknowledged.

 

Just finished HHHH, by Laurent Binet, its the story about the assassination of Heydrich and the chaps who killed him. Superb book.

 

I've just started Anthony Beevors book, The Second World War. 

 

Anyone recommend any other WW2 books? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you're a fan of history then you absolutely have to get involved with Dan Carlin's Hardcore History Podcasts.

 

There's currently hours and hours of stuff on his site that you can download for free (including a superb series on the Khans and the current series he's doing on WWI) that it would be crazy not to go and get so you can keep it. There's also a few from further back that you have to pay for but which are a great listen. The one on the Roman Empire was outstanding stuff (we're talking hours and hours and hours of pod here).

 

http://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-series/

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just finished HHHH, by Laurent Binet, its the story about the assassination of Heydrich and the chaps who killed him. Superb book.

 

I've just started Anthony Beevors book, The Second World War. 

 

Anyone recommend any other WW2 books? 

 

I'm still somewhat obsessed by the war in the pacific and can recommend a couple of excellent reads.

 

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0195397932?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00   (good overall book on Midway)

 

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1574889249?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00    (really fascinating book on Midway)

 

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0140165614?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00   (good overall book on Guadalcanal)

 

http://www.amazon.ca/With-Old-Breed-Peleliu-Okinawa/dp/0891419195/ref=pd_sim_b_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1KF0MAS9AKTWWM686NNZ  (awesome personal account of marines)

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There was a fantastic prog on R4 on Tuesday about the BoB. They had some interviews with pilots and their humility was incredible. Couple of stories got to me;

 

1) a replacement pilot turned up on his first day, met by the Squadron Leader as he was unpacking his car, told to stop as they'd been scrambled. Shot down and killed on his first sortie with his car still on the air field.

2) a pilot shot down and bailed out and landed in a girls school. The 6th formers adopted him and sent him pressies and stuff, all the others jealous until he was killed a fortnight later.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There was a fantastic prog on R4 on Tuesday about the BoB. They had some interviews with pilots and their humility was incredible. Couple of stories got to me;

 

1) a replacement pilot turned up on his first day, met by the Squadron Leader as he was unpacking his car, told to stop as they'd been scrambled. Shot down and killed on his first sortie with his car still on the air field.

2) a pilot shot down and bailed out and landed in a girls school. The 6th formers adopted him and sent him pressies and stuff, all the others jealous until he was killed a fortnight later.

What was i called m8...the documentary...will wstch it online somewhere.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did you know that the last act of the American Civil War happened in Liverpool when the CSS Shenandoah surrendered to the Lord Mayor?

She, along with several other Confederates ships, were built at Lairds and outfitted in Liverpool with a mainly Liverpool crew

 

Here's a little article

 

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/collections/americancivilwar/end-of-war.aspx

 

And a folksy song

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did you know that the last act of the American Civil War happened in Liverpool when the CSS Shenandoah surrendered to the Lord Mayor?

She, along with several other Confederates ships, were built at Lairds and outfitted in Liverpool with a mainly Liverpool crew

 

Here's a little article

 

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/collections/americancivilwar/end-of-war.aspx

 

And a folksy song

 

You may be interested in a short but very informative book called 'Ghost Ships Of The Mersey'  Ships were built at Lairds and then sailed elsewhere to be fitted out with armaments.

 

5185WE7SCDL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

  • Upvote 2
  • Downvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You may be interested in a short but very informative book called 'Ghost Ships Of The Mersey' Ships were built at Lairds and then sailed elsewhere to be fitted out with armaments.

 

5185WE7SCDL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Sorry Mick negged by mistake can someone do the honours Pls

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Been listening to a loads of history podcasts of late, some really good ones out there. 

 

Anyway finding the Wars of the Diadochi to be pretty fascinating.

The Diadochi where the successors of Alexander III(Alexander the Great), they where his generals who split the empire up and ruled various parts while fighting to have control over the remaining members of the Argead Dynasty, Alexander had a male heir but he was born a month after Alexanders death. 

 

Its all pretty interesting if you like Ancient military history as the generals involved went on themselves to start some of the biggest and well known empires/dynasties of their own with Seleucid Empire(Seleucus) and the Ptolemy Empire in Egypt, the Ptolemaic dynsty runs right through to its fall with Cleopatra, Julius Caesar and the ongoing civil wars and Romes change from a Republic and Empire. So there is a direct link from Alexander to Julius Caesar through Cleopatra and their son Caesarion. 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Lee909 said:

Been listening to a loads of history podcasts of late, some really good ones out there. 

 

Anyway finding the Wars of the Diadochi to be pretty fascinating.

The Diadochi where the successors of Alexander III(Alexander the Great), they where his generals who split the empire up and ruled various parts while fighting to have control over the remaining members of the Argead Dynasty, Alexander had a male heir but he was born a month after Alexanders death. 

 

Its all pretty interesting if you like Ancient military history as the generals involved went on themselves to start some of the biggest and well known empires/dynasties of their own with Seleucid Empire(Seleucus) and the Ptolemy Empire in Egypt, the Ptolemaic dynsty runs right through to its fall with Cleopatra, Julius Caesar and the ongoing civil wars and Romes change from a Republic and Empire. So there is a direct link from Alexander to Julius Caesar through Cleopatra and their son Caesarion. 

 

 

 

Your superior intellect is no match for our Punic weapons.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, skaro said:

 

Your superior intellect is no match for our Punic weapons.

 

 

tenor.gif?itemid=15814623

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nabbed a few interesting books from Audible in the last few sales. 

Now just need to find the time to listen to them all. 

Anyone read any of them? 

 

Screenshot_20210319_233423_com.audible.application.jpg

Screenshot_20210319_232356_com.audible.application.jpg

Screenshot_20210319_232349_com.audible.application.jpg

Screenshot_20210319_232339_com.audible.application.jpg

Screenshot_20210319_234146.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not sure if anyone has seen them on Audible but The Great Courses series is fantastic. It's pretty much university lectures on whatever subject you pick 

 

Been listening to History's greatest military blunders. Its a brilliant listen. Really makes you think how one decision can change history for decades.

 

If Napoleon doesn't put his brother in charge of one of his armies through nepotism he may well have defeated the Russian army or at a minimum have had the tsar negotiationing a peace treaty. His brother wasn't a general and wasn't quick enough to engage the Russians which led them deeper into Russia which ended up costing Napoleon his empire. 

 

If the messages get through and Ceasar actually listens to them and doesn't enter the forum or if he falls in the cival war with Pompey or in Gaul

 

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some great stuff on this thread.

 

I’ll recommend this book. An account by an RAF pilot of the disastrous Battle of France in 1940. It’s a gripping read/listen. His family discovered his writings after his death, and decided to publish.

 

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/309/309187/six-weeks-of-blenheim-summer/9781405936743.html

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×