Jump to content
tlw content
tlw content

Shewsbury Town 2 Liverpool 2 (Jan 26 2020)

     

     
    dave_usher.jpg
     
    Report by
    Dave Usher

I’m more annoyed by this than I have a right to be. After the season we’ve had - actually make that two seasons - complaining about an under-strength side drawing away in the cup would make me seem like a bit of a grumpy bastard with a misplaced sense of entitlement. I’m going to do it anyway. Well, maybe a little bit.

 

I’m conflicted on this. We’re still in the cup and an extra game presumably means more opportunities for Jones, Pedro, Neco and Elliott (unless Klopp sees them as ‘first team’ and gives them a week off). That’s no bad thing, as the more games they get the better. So a replay is a positive from that point of view. 

 

Also, I’d be lying if I said that either of the domestic cups are particularly high on my priority list. If we don’t win them, then *shrugs shoulders* whaddayagonnado. So the result itself didn’t bother me. It was the performance, especially after the break, that I found infuriating. 

 

After the way this side played against Everton in the last round I was really looking forward to this. The performances were like night and day though. We were great against Everton and we were utter garbage against Shrewsbury. There was no comparison between the two displays.

 

Why was that? I think I can sum it up in three simple words - Matip, Lovren and Fabinho. There’s the problem right there. Those three. Top players who’ve been great all season, but they were all absolutely fucking shite. Not just below par, but genuinely terrible.

 

Others didn’t cover themselves in glory either *looks disapprovingly at Origi* but to me it was glaringly obvious how we allowed Shrewsbury to get back into the game. It was down to three players who ought to have been leading the way but who looked like Sunday League lads playing with a stinking hangover. 

 

The common denominator with all three is that they’re all just back from fairly long term injuries. That goes some way towards explaining it, but their body language all evening screamed out “this is beneath me”. That’s probably harsh, but it’s how it looked. 

 

The last time I remember feeling this way was when we lost at Wolves last year. The senior players stank that night too (particularly Sturridge and Moreno), but Wolves are obviously vastly superior opponents than Shrewsbury. It’s not what I’ve come to expect from this squad as their attitude has been so good for so long and after the Arsenal and Everton games I had high hopes for this.

 

In the last round Gomez and Lallana were both immense and showed the way for the kids around them. Where was that leadership from the senior pros in this game? It was non-existent, unless you count Adrian who did all he could. 

 

The kids acquitted themselves well in the first half but it became really difficult for them after the break, not least because what should have been the strength of the team - the experienced spine - performed as badly as I’ve seen any of them play in a red shirt. Ok, Lovren has probably had worse games than this, but the other two were definitely at an all time low.

 

Fabinho was terrible even in the first half. He stank from start to finish. I know he’s had a lengthy lay off, but he looked fine in midweek when he came on against Wolves. I genuinely can’t get over how bad he was in this game.

 

Matip too. He just got worse and worse until eventually he had to be subbed because he was going to cost us the game. The final straw with him was presumably when he passed the ball straight to an opponent in the middle of the field. He was under no pressure and there was no Liverpool player anywhere near it. It summed up his day. 

 

Lovren could easily have been hooked too. I don’t know what he was playing at either. These were league one strikers who kept getting a free run at Adrian. Seriously, what the fuck was going on? 

 

From the moment we went 2-0 up those three started fucking around by their own box, inviting pressure. It wasn’t the pitch for doing shit like that and all it does is gets the crowd into it and encourages the opposition players to think there might be something in the game for them. That’s exactly what happened. The game should have been over but we kept messing around at the back and giving the ball away. It gave Shrewsbury hope when there should have been none, and eventually it cost us.

 

It should never have gotten to that stage as it wouldn’t have taken much to put the game away. We got the lead early on with a lovely goal created by Chirivella and finished by Jones. We should have built on it but the balance of the team looked all wrong. Other than Jones our attacking play was generally toothless and at the other end we needed Adrian to make a couple of big saves. 

 

We were given a present seconds after the restart when former Man United defender Donald Love hilariously put through his own net, but instead of spurring us on to a bigger win it seemed to be the signal for us to completely stop playing.

 

It was just a dreadful performance all around, and while I lay most of the blame at the door of the senior players, Klopp didn’t help either with how he set up the front three. Minimino was a passenger again and couldn’t get into the game in the false nine position, while Origi was stinking it up hugely on the left. That’s how they started against Everton too, but even in that game we looked better after Minamino was subbed.

 

Divock is a finisher. A penalty box player. A goalscorer. Occasionally he’ll do a decent job out wide but more often than not he’s crap out there. He spent most of his time with his back to goal, trying to control passes that were bobbling up off the pitch, and invariably he’d either lose the ball or have to take that many touches to get it under control that all he could do was pass it backwards.

 

As early as ten minutes in I was saying we needed to swap him and Minamino. It just seemed the obvious thing to do, but we had to wait until late in the game when Elliott was brought off before we saw Minamino wide and Origi central. And within a couple of minutes of it happening Origi had had two shots on goal and suddenly looked like he was a threat. Who knew? Everybody actually, because it’s fucking obvious.

 

Still, for all my complaints about the top end of the pitch, the real problem was at the back. Matip was weak as piss and Lovren must have left his brain back at Melwood. Either that or he’s been on a week long bender since he beat Mo at table tennis on LFC TV.

 

That said, Shrewsbury’s first goal shouldn’t have counted as it was not a penalty. Larouci fouled the guy but he was outside the box. Those ones are always really difficult for refs to get right though so I’m not criticising the official. It’s one incidents like that when VAR shows it’s worth, but there’s no VAR at lower league grounds so it couldn’t bail us out. I have no real complaints on that, it’s a tough call to get right in real time. My complaint is with our poor defending.

 

Their equaliser was even worse though. Fabinho gives away a simple pass and then just look at Matip’s pitiful attempt to win the header. As I said, weak as piss. This was the old Matip, the one before he became fucking ace. Then Lovren dives in and doesn’t win the ball, leaving their sub to drill the ball past Adrian for his second goal.

 

That annoyed the fuck out of me, especially as just look at the fucking state of the lad who scored both goals. Letting someone with a haircut like that score against us seriously rankles. Letting him do it twice deserves some serious punishment. Like, oh I don’t know, the cancelling of a winter break for those involved perhaps? I’ll get to that shortly.

 

Klopp decided there and then he didn’t want a replay and on came both Salah and Firmino to join Ox who’d been brought on earlier. It made a difference and we almost won it late when Jones looked like he was about to slide in to score from close range, but the defender recovered to make a great block.

 

We didn’t deserve to win the game though. Shrewsbury definitely deserved a replay as this wasn’t a smash and grab. They had other chances in addition to the two they scored and I thought they played well. The lad playing in midfield who got man of the match on BBC was terrific. We didn’t get near him in that second half, which again is a poor reflection on Fabinho as usually his area of the field is a no go zone.

 

The midfield completely disappeared in the second half. We had no control on the game at all. Chirivella was class in the first half but we didn’t see much of him after the break. Maybe I’m letting him off the hook too easily, but I don’t think there was much he could do about that. Lovren and Matip were either fannying around passing to each other, or hitting long hopeful punts up the field. Is it any wonder Jones and Chirivella faded from the game?

 

Elliott did nothing all day. It was a really frustrating game for him as he hardly saw the ball. It’s not that he did much wrong, he just couldn’t get into the game. Williams was fine. He was better in the first half than the second, but he competed well enough and did nothing wrong.

 

On the other flank Larouci found it difficult but that didn’t really surprise me. He’s not great defensively as he’s not been playing full back for too long, but he got very little help from those around him. I don’t blame him for the penalty because look where he is. He’s playing left back but he was so far over into the middle because he’d come across to cover. The failing there was no his, he was just the one trying to solve the problem created by others.

 

So what now? Klopp says no senior players will be involved in the replay and whatsmore neither will he. Everyone is off on holiday and I suppose I’m ok with that. Mostly. I don’t especially begrudge Klopp having a break and I certainly don’t think the first team lads who didn’t play in this one should have to report in for the replay. Why should they be punished for that shambolic second half?

 

However, based on this showing you’d have to say that Matip, Fabinho and Lovren clearly need games more than they need rest. They were so rusty that if you listened carefully you could probably hear them squeaking. Minamino also needs game time more than a holiday (although games with the kids probably isn’t going to do him any good really, in fairness). 

 

Then there’s Keita, Shaqiri, Lallana and Origi too.They’ve hardly played this season so why do they need a break? What’s the point in giving them a winter break at the expense of sacking off the FA Cup?

 

If Klopp wants to take time off then he can, because he can do no wrong really. In all honesty though I think he should take charge of the replay. I don’t feel especially strongly about it and I won’t be kicking off if he goes through with his threat, but personally I think he should take charge of the replay and I also think that the ‘squad’ players should also be involved, especially those who contributed to the fact we needed a replay in the first place.

 

The other issue in play here is the ticket pricing. If, like at Villa, Critchley takes charge and it’s his squad who play in the tie, then how can the club justify charging anything more than what they would for an u23 fixture? League One opponents, and a team full of teenagers, this is a tricky one for the club because anything more than a tenner is taking the piss.

 

And if they do go down that road then it’s proper sly on Shrewsbury who could really use the money. This whole situation is a sorry mess. The Premier League tell the clubs to honour the break and don’t arrange any games, then the FA schedule cup replays slap bang in the middle of the break. What are we supposed to do here? Whatever Klopp does he’s not going to please everyone.

 

The big clubs want to scrap replays but replays can be transformational for lower league clubs. Everything is tailored for the haves, but what about the have nots? Shrewsbury deserve a big pay day, but why should our fans have to pay for it when we’ll be watching a bunch of kids managed by the u23 coach?

 

I don’t really have the answer but something needs to be done because this season we’ve effectively already had to forfeit the League Cup due to fixture congestion and now it looks like the same may be happening in the FA Cup.

 

Losing with a second string team is fine. When it’s fourth and fifth string kids then something needs to change. With better scheduling we could have won it all this year, instead of having to prioritise. It needs looking at because we’re not the bad guys here, but that’s how it will no doubt be portrayed by many.

 

Star man is Adrian, with a little nod of acknowledgement for Curtis Jones too.

 

 

Team: Adrian; Williams, Matip (Salah), Lovren, Larouci; Fabinho, Chirivella, Jones; Elliott (Oxlade-Chamberlain), Minamino (Firmino), Origi:

 


User Feedback

Recommended Comments



Agree with every word of this. It's a clusterfuck all round - our performance on and off the pitch, fixture scheduling, the whole lot. I fully understand Klopp taking a stand on this and shining a light on the staggering greed and ineptitude of the various football bodies and their stubborn reluctance to talk to one another. 

I can't say I'm going to relish turning up at Anfield expecting to see our youngsters get bullied and eventually betaen by a battle-hardened League One team, whatever the price of the tickets.Common sense says to include those senior plays who need minutes or are just on their way back (Lallana, Milner?) but that might be determined by how much Klopp wants to make his point.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

£10 a ticket with the club making up the difference to Shrewbury. Never going to happen, and would cost a fair few quid, but would enable the club to claw back some positivity with both our fans and the press.

  • Like 1
  • Upvote 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I actually thought Williams was poor.  He was the reason Elliot couldn’t get in the game.  He just wouldn’t pass it to him.  A lot of the players were hanging on to the ball too long and then trying to hit some impossible killer pass instead of just moving it quickly.  Minamino has looked lost in every game he’s played.  He might be a bit overawed but I think we may struggle to actually fit him into a position in the 433.  He’s definitely not a forward or a wide man.

  • Upvote 2
  • Downvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fair report on what was a very poor team performance. Fully agree on the root cause - the three stooges in the centre of the field. 

No enthusiam, no leadership and no common sense between them.  The total opposite to Lallana & Gomez in the last round.

Shrewsbury have the second worst attack (based on goals scored) in League 1 - the top scorer has 4 goals - and Liverpool's defence made them look like Brazil in the second half.

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, tlw content said:

So what now? Klopp says no senior players will be involved in the replay and whatsmore neither will he. Everyone is off on holiday and I suppose I’m ok with that. Mostly. I don’t especially begrudge Klopp having a break and I certainly don’t think the first team lads who didn’t play in this one should have to report in for the replay. Why should they be punished for that shambolic second half?

Klopp has every right to be p***** off by the FA. The FA are being run by a bunch of stupid old men who think they’re better than others just because they went to Eton. Best we can do is to ignore them.

Klopp should, however, stay at the sideline in the replay. He should be there to guide our young guns. He can tell FA he doesn’t care about the cup all he wants, but he should show respect to the young players and the crowd.

It’s easy actually. Decide on 11-14 players you’ll probably involve in the match against Norwich Feb 15.  Let them have their holiday as planned. The rest of the seniors can have their 1 week holiday starting the minute the Shrewsbury game is finished.

Ask the young players what they'd prefer. One week holiday or playing Shrewsbury in front of a packed Anfield. The answer is given. The repay is actually good for them and therfore also good for us.

 

  • Upvote 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good report and I agree with almost all of it.

 

 I thought Fabinho was way off the mark against Wolves as well but the substitution worked because it allowed Gini and Hendo to push on and Wolves we're starting to flag.  He badly needs games not a beach lounger. 

 

Matip, Lovren and Fabinho own this result and they should take responsibility for sorting it out rather than set up our non-squad youngsters for what could be a humiliation at Anfield. 

  • Upvote 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, aws said:

Good report and I agree with almost all of it.

 

 I thought Fabinho was way off the mark against Wolves as well but the substitution worked because it allowed Gini and Hendo to push on and Wolves we're starting to flag.  He badly needs games not a beach lounger. 

 

Matip, Lovren and Fabinho own this result and they should take responsibility for sorting it out rather than set up our non-squad youngsters for what could be a humiliation at Anfield. 

You , Matip, Lovren, Fab,  made a mess of it. Now clean up! Surely the only way.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

4 minutes ago, JustTosh said:

Ask the young players what they'd prefer. One week holiday or playing Shrewsbury in front of a packed Anfield. The answer is given. The repay is actually good for them and therfore also good for us.

 

 

 

If any of Elliot, Pedro, Jones , Williams, Larouche, Hoever (who I think are all in the first team squad) would prefer a holiday to a first team appearance then they're probably at the wrong club. I expect Adrian would want to play as well. Add a few fringe seniors who need to get match fit and we can field a team which ought to be good enough without any real impact on the first team squad. 

  • Like 1
  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agree with most of what you say, Dave, but not the need for Klopp to be in the dugout. The U23s are Critchley’s team that he’s been trusted with and which he knows best, and it would undermine him if Klopp just jumped in and took them for one game because it’s the FA Cup.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How about scrapping replays but giving lower division sides the decision whether they want the game played at their own ground or not? Then lower league league sides can decide if they want to get a better chance at winning, or the gate receipts

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, buster69 said:

How about scrapping replays but giving lower division sides the decision whether they want the game played at their own ground or not? Then lower league league sides can decide if they want to get a better chance at winning, or the gate receipts

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gary-lineker-agrees-liverpool-manager-17638061

 

That you Gary?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, sh#t waffle said:

£10 a ticket with the club making up the difference to Shrewbury. Never going to happen, and would cost a fair few quid, but would enable the club to claw back some positivity with both our fans and the press.

Agreed. If Shrewsbury are bringing (say) 5,000 and they would have paid £50 a ticket, that's £250,000 for the club. If they get charged £10 a ticket the £200,000 difference is not going to hurt LFC's bottom line. But there will doubtless be some FA Rule that forbids a club subsiding another blah blah blah.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agree with all you say Dave but WTF what was all that about with big eared Lineker getting a hard on with the pitch invasion about " majic of the cup bollocks ". He even had the audacity to lift the cup up for all the marauders on the pitch to see and was very excitable about the whole thing.

Don't see him repeating his antics to the Liverpool fans if they do the same in the replay. 

Cock he is and always has been. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

At the outset it seemed to make a lot of sense to bring in Matip, Lovren & Fabinho as they'd need game time, but in reality it played out that having 3 players on their first starts back from long-term injury destabilized the starting eleven. They all looked a million miles off the pace from the first 20 minutes onwards and I'm surprised that two of them played the full 90. 

 

I also thought the two full-backs were willing, but both had poor games and offered nothing going forwards. Bit harsh, probably, but we're a team built upon guile from the flanks and yesterday there wasn't any available. I felt sorry for both because there's a huge difference between playing half-arsed Premier League stars at Anfield and playing League One cloggers who are treating it like a World Cup final. 

 

 

 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dave, it’s a break, it means no game but it’s not hollydays.

 

I reckon the club has planned a camp somewhere in a sunny location to get the team ready physically and psychologically to the second part of the season. 

 

Who cares about a treble when you aim a double !

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Arnaud said:

Dave, it’s a break, it means no game but it’s not hollydays.

 

I reckon the club has planned a camp somewhere in a sunny location to get the team ready physically and psychologically to the second part of the season. 

 

Who cares about a treble when you aim a double !


They've been given the week off. Holidays is exactly what it is. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The likes of Shaqiri, Lallana, Origi, Lovren, Keita etc should not be given a week's holiday when we have a game in that period. If there was no replay, then fine, but there is, so why would we send players off on holiday who have barely played all season?

 

Let the first team put their feet up on the beach for a week, and keep the rest here to play the replay and then give them a few days off afterwards.

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Anubis said:

Agree with most of what you say, Dave, but not the need for Klopp to be in the dugout. The U23s are Critchley’s team that he’s been trusted with and which he knows best, and it would undermine him if Klopp just jumped in and took them for one game because it’s the FA Cup.

I don't disagree with that mate, but it's not what I meant. Not only do I think Klopp should be there, I think the fringe players who've hardly played should be there with him.

 

If we field the same sort of line up we did at Villa then we may as well let Critchley handle it. That wouldn't be my preference though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites



×
×
  • Create New...