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We waited three years for a chance for payback and THIS is what we got? Absolute fucking shite. What a massive letdown. We probably shouldn’t be surprised as revenge is not something that this team does well. You only have to go back to the insipid surrender against the Blueshite the other week to see that.

 

With this being the Champions League though I really expected better. I had high hopes about this game because other than Porto, Real Madrid might be the weakest team we could have been drawn against. The problem is they can say the same about us, and they’d be right based on this. They won EASILY.

 

We were fucking awful in every single area of the pitch. Not one of the players come out of it with any credit. Not a single one. Everyone was shite and it’s hard to take or understand given the importance of the game. I’d allowed myself to get excited about this one. I was really looking forward to it and believed we’d see a big performance. More fool me, I won’t be making that mistake again.

 

We started badly and got worse. There was a decent spell just after half time but it didn’t last and we were just well beaten. It’s easy to blame it on the team selection, specifically the surprise inclusion of Keita, but that’s just scapegoating. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Keita and if he never played for us again I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it, but there was far more to this than just Naby being Naby.

 

He did nothing whatsoever but he isn’t to blame for the rest of them making the most basic of errors time and time again. If you want to say we’re a worse team when Keita plays and that we always look more open then I’ll agree with you. This shocking performance had very little to do with Keita though. 

 

Whether it was Fabinho and Wijnaldum simply passing the ball straight to Madrid players when under no pressure, Phillips not being aware of players running in behind, Trent ‘assisting’ at the wrong end or the forward players taking four touches to try and get the ball under control only to still fail, this was just one huge collective shitshow. Everyone was crap.

 

When Real scored the only surprise was it had taken so long. Vinicius Jr was having his own way down the left hand side and we just weren’t dealing with him, which is infuriating because he's shite and we come up against better wide players every other week in the Premier League. The opening goal is mostly on Phillips who needless got sucked into the middle towards Benzema and allowed Vinicius to run off his shoulder onto a ball over the top from Kroos.

 

Trent should be more aware of that though too, either by screaming at Phillips to warn him or by tracking the run himself. I didn’t think much of Alisson’s attempt to save it either if I’m being honest, although that might be harsh.

 

The second goal was virtually all on Trent but I thought Ferdinand’s analysis of the role the centre backs had in it had some merit too. Trent’s header was shite and that’s on him, but the ease they were getting behind us with that ball over the top doesn’t bode well for next week. I’m not going to say anything bad about Kabak and Phillips though as what are they, sixth and seventh choice? They’ve done better than anyone has a right to expect from them but this was a bridge too far. 

 

So while I don’t dispute any of the points made by Ferdinand I just can’t bring myself to be pointing the finger at those two lads when we essentially had our first choice players in every other position on the field and THEY WERE ALL FUCKING SHITE.  Kabak and Phillips have an excuse. The others don't. Well, tiredness might be one because some of them they do look fucked to be fair to them.

 

Worst of the bunch was Sadio, who is absolutely fucking hopeless right now. Just genuinely dreadful. His performance here was hideous. He couldn’t do a thing right and it was sad to see. He’s in the mother of all slumps now and looks like a Sunday league player. 

 

It doesn’t help that he’s getting absolutely fuck all from refs either. He was blatantly fouled just before their second goal and it’s staggering that VAR looked at that and said it was ok. I’d be annoyed about it if we hadn’t absolutely deserved to get walloped anyway. That decision stank almost as much as our performance.

 

Klopp hooked Naby a few minutes before half time and confessed afterwards that it was tactical and Keita just wasn’t in the game. He added that he could have taken a few more off as well. I don’t question the decision at all, but I do wonder why it was done three minutes before the break. Usually you’d just do it at half time as it’s less humiliating to the player. It’s really, really unusual to see a player hooked on 42 minutes. Maybe Klopp felt let down after putting his faith in him? I know the feeling, I was predicting big things from Keita in the group chat when I saw the team. For the record, not one of the lads agreed with me and they were right not to.

 

Klopp had said Keita got the nod because of how well he’d trained for weeks and because he wanted someone who would dribble and take the game to Madrid. He must have spotted a vulnerability in how they play and he wanted Keita to exploit that. It never happened but I don’t think that’s just Keita’s fault as we never had hold of the ball long enough to build any kind of attack. Keita was no more responsible than anyone else for that, but he was the obvious one that you’d take off. He shouldn't play again. It isn't working and it never will. I'd rather Jones or even Ox got his minutes.

 

We did improve a bit with Thiago out there, but he was no great shakes either. He picked up another booking (harsh) and didn’t really do anything especially creative. At least he kept the ball though (other than one terrible pass about a minute after he came on) which is more than anyone else could say. Actually that's maybe harsh because the passing in the second half was nowhere near as slack as it was before the break. Gini and Fabinho were much better in the second half but given how bad they were in the first that wasn't difficult.

 

We got ourselves back in it with a scruffy goal. Jota drove at the defence and then his shot was partially blocked. It fell to Mo who got it stuck under his feet before just about getting a shot away that hit Courtois and went in off the bar. I didn’t celebrate, partly because we’d been so bad I didn’t even feel emotionally invested in it at that point, but mainly because VAR has killed that now. I only celebrate when it’s clear there’s absolutely nothing that needs to be looked at, and this one initially had a faint whiff of offside about it.

 

If we could have kept it 2-1 then we’d still have a chance of going through but instead we gave away another awful goal. Vinicius was given too much space in the box and Alisson’s attempt at saving a weak shot just wasn’t good enough. Just before that we’d almost conceded from our own corner when somehow we ended up with Thiago as one of only two players back. That can’t happen. He can’t run (and he was carrying a yellow card) so you don’t put him in that situation. It summed up the whole night though. Trent did well to save us there, but he undid that by not being close enough to Vinicious on the goal (Phillips should have been tighter too).

 

On a completely unrelated note, I wish Alisson would shave that fucking muzzy as I don’t like keepers drawing attention to themselves. I just think it makes them look a cunt when they make mistakes, which Alisson has been prone to doing this season. When you’re winning you can do whatever you like, but with the run we’ve been having I want the players being low profile, not swaggering round like fucking Magnum P.I.

 

Anyway, at 3-1 we had a fair bit of the ball but did nothing with it as Madrid just saw it out without really breaking sweat. That’s the thing that bothers me. They’re not that good and if we’d played them in either of the previous two seasons we’d have fucking pummelled them. Instead, we play them now and make them look like…. well, Real Madrid. This is the worst side they’ve had in decades but we made them look like Galcticos.

 

But then we’ve lost to Villa, Everton, Burnley, Fulham, Southampton and a load of other deadbeat teams so it’s hardly surprising that the worst Madrid team in years had their way with us. 

 

We’ll now have to listen to all the “its only half time” and “second leg at Anfield, you never know” rallying talk but I’m not putting any stock in that whatsoever. If Anfield was going to be full I’d still back us to go through, but nah, it’s not happening. We’ve been horrendous at Anfield for months and there is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest we have any chance now. It’s over. 

 

I’d like to think we’ll make a fight of it and give them a scare but we’ll get done on a counter attack or by a moment of quality and that will finish us off because our forward line in its current state is not scoring the three or four goals that we’ll need. Not without a packed Anfield roaring them on.

 

So after next week all that will be left is a demoralising ‘fight for fourth’. I know how important that is and obviously I hope we can do it, but I can’t get excited about it. It’s actually depressing that this is where we find ourselves again, so soon after it looked like we’d be top of the mountain for a good while.

 

Half the team just looks completely fucked now. Mentally and physically. The hope is that they can recharge their batteries in time for next season and then with crowds back things will return to ‘normal’. It is by no means certain though, especially as some of them will have to play in the Euros. 

 

By the time Robbo comes back for pre-season I’m expecting his legs to be worn down to little nubs as he’s played so much football. As for Sadio, we may as well just let his rest start now and hope he can be back at his best next season, because the way he is right now is no use to anyone. I'd pick Firmino over him now, which says it all.

 

One thing I do want to see next week though is Milner starting. He needs to play as he brings the intensity that we don’t have without him or Hendo in there. In hindsight, he should have played this game.

 

Star man is nobody. Easiest decision of the season.

 

 

Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Phillips, Kabak (Shaqiri), Robertson; Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Keita (Thiago); Salah, Jota (Firmino), Mané:

 


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Robbo looks fucked.  He gets left out on the wing on his own constantly.  It’s basically ruined any attacking intent we had there. He’s got pace and can beat a man but he’s not going to take the risk of giving it away stupidly so doesn’t do it.  When you add that to how shit Mane is centrally I just don’t understand Klopp’s thinking.  Get back to basics and get Mane to stay on the touch line and keep things simple running at one man with Robbo overlapping.

 

As soon as Madrid started sitting in to protect the lead you knew we weren’t creating anything because that’s how it’s been most of the season.  It’s too intricate and predictable through the middle and we have too many small players for Trents crossing from deep to hurt teams.  We need to concentrate on getting to the byline so that it opens up the space for those passes in and around the edge of the box when the opposition defence gets stretched.  It just feels like we are hammering a square peg into a round hole any time that situation arises and Klopp just isn’t addressing it.  We’ve went from Mane’s starting position being the left and us struggling because he’s spent most of us time centrally to us now just playing him centrally and him looking permanently shit.

 

Trent was an absolute car crash from the first minute.  It was his classic arrogant performance where he seems to think he’s too good to do the dirty work or he just hasn’t got the brain to.  Going the other way he started hitting those Hollywood balls over the top again and again when they clearly weren’t working.  I really hope Klopp and the coaches tear him a new one over that performance because it was a disgrace and all that’s bad about his game.  He seems to need to be taught the complete basics about defending because the errors he’s making are so easily fixed.  The number one thing being just fucking sprint as fast as you can back towards your own fucking goal.

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13 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

With the benefit of hindsight, perhaps starting the biggest game of the season with the same midfield that lost 7-2 to Villa wasn't the best of ideas.

Is that the last time they started together? 

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When you’re winning you can do whatever you like

 

To be fair, Alisson got his tache on only after we put together a winning run of 2 or 3 games. With clean sheets to boot. So maybe Dave should forgive him for getting carried away.

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There's always been a certain fatalism about being a red since the late 80, where victories in competitions come as a pleasant surprise rather than an expectation, which is why the likes of Istanbul live so long in the memory. I thought the days of pretty much expecting a non performance in a big game were gone, or of expecting to get unceremoniously dumped out of, say, the FA Cup by some also rsns were over. I actually started to feel that way after the world club championship win, because if there was ever gonna be an anticlimax or a banana skin in terms of prep and style, it was that. But no.

 

Sadly it's starting to look like us doing well was a blip and not a new normal.

 

Sad thing is that over the years we've produced inferior teams that you rooted for, and talented ones that you resented because you knew they were capable of better, these lads are starting to fall into the latter category for me. They started to actively piss me off, now I'm firmly in the apathy stage. The five stages of Liverpool grief, of which that is the latter.

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I cant be doing with this imitation football. Same for all teams so no excuse. Trouble is, neither can Klopp and the players by the looks of it. We turned the lights off and went home around Jan 1st. 

     

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I know it's harsh because I love the guy but I'd cash in on Mane this summer while he's got some value left. Obviously providing we could use the money to help bring in a suitable alternative. The attack desperately needs freshening up. I wouldn't want to lose Mo and we ain't getting much for Bobby.  

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Can't disagree with any of that Dave. The team looked like it had been on the ale.

 

In some other games we lost we played pretty well really, but this was dreadful. Worst performance of the season for my money.

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3 hours ago, Code said:

Im not sure why everyone think its a given that Chelsea will beat Porto. 

i was more worried last week with the amount of people who thought that us beating Real Madrid was a shoo-in. 

 

Real Madrid. 

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1 hour ago, DaveTucker said:

I know it's harsh because I love the guy but I'd cash in on Mane this summer while he's got some value left. Obviously providing we could use the money to help bring in a suitable alternative. The attack desperately needs freshening up. I wouldn't want to lose Mo and we ain't getting much for Bobby.  

Are you suggesting Bobby is gone and we get rid of Mane??

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I know society is becoming harsher generally , but I find the disrespectful tone of comments towards the three musketeers massively disappointing. For an outlay of less than £100m they have given us an absolute dream of a 3 or 4 years.

 

Mo's performances and figures are other-worldly, and I can't believe the casual way his achievements are grudgingly accepted with almost a dismissive shrug by some fans. Sadio has also been absolutely fantastic and to me still appears to be trying his bollocks off even though his health has obviously suffered from the long covid thing. Bobby has obviously lost his way a bit on the pitch , but was the pivot for all of our success over the period involved.

 

I personally think that we should give Sadio a complete break after the season to recover his health, and look for Jurgen to assure Sadio and Mo that they remain , with Diogo , our main men . I think Bobby could be used as a number 10 type player with limited playing time if he is happy to accept that role.

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A few questions.

 

Why is it now almost seen as a «truth» that Mane is in any way physical affected by covid?

 

I dont understand that at all.

 

How is it affecting him? Has he got slower? Has he got weaker? Has he lost his technique? Has he lost his brain, since he keep making stupid decisions? What is it exactly?

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I haven't gotten angry at that many games this season, between VAR, injuries, no fans, fake fan noise, and shitty performances it's been a slog however, I've just had a throw-it on the shit pile that is this season mentality.

 

For some reason, a part of me thought we were at least 50% of what we were last season with Jota back, Fabinho in midfield again and a sort of settled CB pairing but wow was I wrong. 

 

Watching the team struggle, the commentator talking the most inane shit which really made me miss the fake fan noise and fans of other clubs taking glee in TAA's crap performance because haha I guess Gareth Southgate was right was just too much.

 

Like fuck this performance this is 100% the last time I allow myself to be tricked into giving a damn this season

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Mikhail said:

I haven't gotten angry at that many games this season, between VAR, injuries, no fans, fake fan noise, and shitty performances it's been a slog however, I've just had a throw-it on the shit pile that is this season mentality.

 

For some reason, a part of me thought we were at least 50% of what we were last season with Jota back, Fabinho in midfield again and a sort of settled CB pairing but wow was I wrong. 

 

Watching the team struggle, the commentator talking the most inane shit which really made me miss the fake fan noise and fans of other clubs taking glee in TAA's crap performance because haha I guess Gareth Southgate was right was just too much.

 

Like fuck this performance this is 100% the last time I allow myself to be tricked into giving a damn this season

 

 

 

I felt the same. I went into the match with low expectations and convinced myself that i didn't care what the outcome would be in the end. But the attitude on show just boiled my blood.

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Yep.  

 

We were absolutely dogshit until Keita was replaced by Thiago.  I'm really fed up watching the naive defending of our fullbacks as well.  It wasn't as though they were offering much going forward.  Robertson gets caught out of position so often, charging for a ball he's not going to get, leaving massive gaps behind, or misjudging the flight of a ball over his head, or losing the opposing forward.  It never gets discussed on here, but it happens too often these days.  I thought all of our attackers struggled, but at least they put the effort in, and Jota looks much more of a threat - and gives the opposition a harder time - than Firmino.

 

The overall feeling was that they were ripe for the taking there, yet our sluggish and careless start gave them the initiative and built confidence.  I've never seen any of our players apart from Firmino give the ball away quite as often as we did last night.  A lukewarm performance by a team who clearly lacked motivation, determination and spirit.  Really poor.

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Hmmm, apart from the fact Sadio never links up with Robbo any more, I dont think Andy is really worst than last season. It's not like Andy scores goals and without Sadio making runs for him, he's going to struggle to look as good or be as effective as last season.

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1 hour ago, Code said:

A few questions.

 

Why is it now almost seen as a «truth» that Mane is in any way physical affected by covid?

 

I dont understand that at all.

 

How is it affecting him? Has he got slower? Has he got weaker? Has he lost his technique? Has he lost his brain, since he keep making stupid decisions? What is it exactly?

Yep. I'm wondering why 'long covid' is now a valid reason for Mane's shit performances despite no evidence. Seems that the more some people keep repeating it, the more it seems to be accepted as true.

 

The simpler, more straightforward thing is to say he has experienced a natural decline in form this season. Many players usually experience it at some stage in their career. Instead of making excuses for him, our hope should be that he can stop the decline and maintain a good level of consistent form next season.

 

 

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Feels like a massive opportunity lost, this. They were without their first choice centre backs plus Hazard who traditionally has ripped us a new one. 

 

I thought Madrid played very well mind, but we just didn't turn up at all. The midfield was a disgrace last night. No intensity, kept giving the ball straight back to them and basically got overrun. The lads at the back looked very nervous and the forwards toiled but couldn't make the ball stick. 

 

Keita is taking horrendous stick, and he was dogshit, but Fabinho and Gini were just as bad. Not a good night for Klopp either - looks like a huge mistake leaving out Thiago. 

 

Can't see us getting back into this now. Not without a crowd at Anfield. 

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