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Nottingham Forest 1 Liverpool 1 (Jan 14 2025)

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I really thought we were going to put Forest back in their box. I kept thinking about when we went to Leicester a few years ago when they were our nearest challenger, and we put on a proper big boy performance and showed them that there were levels to this shit. That’s what I thought would happen here. It didn’t. Not until the last half an hour or so anyway, and even then we didn’t produce the goals to make it count.

 

Nevertheless, it’s vitally important that we didn’t lose. I’m not going to call it a good point, but it’s ok. It could have been worse. The point itself is largely neither her nor there, but avoiding defeat is massive because not only did it stop Forest from closing the gap, it also spares us from the psychological damage a defeat does. Drawing away at the team in second place is fine, both in isolation and big picture. We should have won though.

 

I think there’s an important distinction to be made between should have won, and deserved to win. I absolutely think we should have won. I would not make the claim that we deserved to, because if you create as little as we did in the first half, and are then as wasteful as we were in the second, you only have yourself to blame if you drop points.

 

That being said, look at the shot map for the second half and it tells you all you need to know. Forest had three, from ridiculous positions on the pitch including the half way line. We had about 15, most of them in the box in good positions. Yet the TV narrative was all about amazing, brave, sticking it to the big boys Forest. The reality was they were hanging on for grim death for the last 25 minutes of this game and on most other nights they get battered given the balance of play. They didn’t get battered though, partly because of how shite Mo was and partly because they put their bodies on the line and defended valiantly.

 

When they beat us at Anfield they carried out their gameplan to absolute perfection and the game played out exactly how Nuno Holy Spirit wanted it to. It couldn’t have gone any better, that’s exactly how he’ll have drawn it up. This wasn’t that. At least the final half an hour wasn’t. The first hour was Forest basically doing what they do most weeks. Defending well, in numbers, preventing the opponent creating clear chances and then waiting for their moment to pounce.

 

We were dominating the ball but I don’t think we should be getting any extra credit for that, as it’s what we’re supposed to do and want they want us to do. They don’t want the ball, they didn’t even want it at Goodison recently. They want you to have it and then when there’s a chance to spring out and break they’ll take it. That first half was more of the same of what we saw at Anfield.


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I felt the exact same way, disappointed with a draw but it didn't feel like they completely deserved 3 points. I was wondering whether your Dad thought Kweev would've stopped the goal...

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33 minutes ago, RogMan2804 said:

I felt the exact same way, disappointed with a draw but it didn't feel like they completely deserved 3 points. I was wondering whether your Dad thought Kweev would've stopped the goal...

 

He thinks Kweev would stop EVERY goal.

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What makes matters worse when Mo plays shit is that the rest of the team continue to defer to him and try to play him in even when there are other players in better positions. Dom is the worst culprit for doing this. 

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I was fully expecting Mo to score because he was so turd. He's the only player I get more confident in the worse he looks.

 

I think Tsimikas has to start now. Robertson is a legend, but I want to see him lifting the league trophy in May, and I'm not sure he'll do so if he's de facto first choice from here.

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I think the key theme is frustration.  

 

You're right, Dave, the television coverage really had a narrative, panning to the crowd all the time.  It was all about the little man socking it to the big boys. 

 

I was getting more and more wound up watching it.  It's not often I watch a television game standing up.

 

Every time I look out of the window, I'm having 'Nam -like flashbacks and seeing Virg strolling casually forward gently rolling the ball under his foot.

 

Yes, Forest are abnormal in everything they do, but don't let them dictate the pace.  Inject a bit of urgency.

 

Yet every time we did get the ball past the first line through some clever movement we just didn't know what to do with it.  It would either come back through the line to the defence, or there wouldn't be anything on ahead if the midfielder actually did have the courage to turn.

 

Courage.  I think that is what we lacked.  We should have imposed ourselves, and it would have taken a bit more courage.

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Based on how it went first half that could have gone horribly wrong for us. Thought we battled back into it well despite not being near our best and would have won another day.

 

fletch the commentator is a big forest fan apparently so may explain some of the coverage and the evening spent praising every single forest player

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Every word every opinion 100 % the way I was feeling.

To Brownie point off the pod, my lot quite enjoy my TV antics, language, shouting at the players, ref, as if they can hear me. All on top note, neighbours don't need to watch the game they just listen out foe me!.

Footy knobhead 

 

Just desperate to get back to those heady 2.0 wins we liked at the start of the season. Don't want the players to feel that desperation , we saw last year at the time it felt like they wanted it all for Klopp that it became too much. Need a good to nil win get us back on track then a couple of so called easier games to come. Arsenal home to Villa next so let's turn the screw please.

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5 hours ago, Arnaud said:

The current team aren’t  as good as the one who trashed Leicester 0-4 in 2019, there’s a huge  gap in level and quality.

I agree our fwd line back then was so much better

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4 hours ago, Arnaud said:

The best Tsimikas is hardly better than a poor Robbo. how about getting  a very good left back and see how Robbo reacts ?

He certainly crosses the ball better. Robbo’s crosses are 90% kak these days.

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3 hours ago, etho said:

Based on how it went first half that could have gone horribly wrong for us. Thought we battled back into it well despite not being near our best and would have won another day.

 

fletch the commentator is a big forest fan apparently so may explain some of the coverage and the evening spent praising every single forest player

What’s Beglins excuse ???

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6 hours ago, King Kenny 86 said:

neighbours don't need to watch the game they just listen out foe me!.

Footy knobhead 

Exactly the same here mate, my neighbours can't understand what I'm shouting and my missus thinks I shouldn't say, "fuckin get in you twat" but it keeps me happy.

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Forest always had small time fans, mainly because apart for a couple of years under Clough they were always a nothing team. A shitty ground, and shithouse fans is how I remember games at forest in the 70s.

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Dave Nunes is not a suitable hill to die on, who’s brainless foul meant he couldn’t be in the squad on Tuesday. Jayden Danns is raw but he seems to know how to put the ball in the net, surely he’s was worth a place on the bench and 10 minutes at the end when we were all over Forest. 

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10 hours ago, The wanderer said:

What’s Beglins excuse ???

Christ, what is wrong with that man? Did you hear his ‘the mask is slipping’ sneer about Slot? Fucking pug faced Jimmy Cranky lite twat.

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21 hours ago, Arnaud said:

The best Tsimikas is hardly better than a poor Robbo. how about getting  a very good left back and see how Robbo reacts ?

You’re mad.  An average Tsimikas can do things Robertson, even at his peak, could never do.  Control a ball with his right foot, for a start.

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17 hours ago, The wanderer said:

He certainly crosses the ball better. Robbo’s crosses are 90% kak these days.

Not even that high really, hitting the first man seems to be the norm. I have no confidence in him doing anything else. Sadly

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Just now, bigal said:

Not even that high really, hitting the first man seems to be the norm. I have no confidence in him doing anything else. Sadly

 

to be fair, Robertson put in a few good corners early on.

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