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While it was a massive relief to get that late equaliser, the question needs to be asked; just what the fuck was that? Why do our players go to Old Trafford and completely forget how to play football?

 

It’s mad. Klopp’s “Mentality Monsters” (and they are, I’m not using that sarcastically) show up in Salford every year and complete shit the bed.

 

I don’t get it. I really thought this year would be different. I saw all the cynicism from fellow Reds predicting a 1-0 defeat because “it’s THEM” and “it’s THERE”. I understood why they were taking that approach as we never play well there and all the build up to the game was how great we are and how shite they are, and that this was the year we finally proved it.

 

It felt like we were being set up for a fall, but the bottom line is we are miles better than them and having completely fucked this game up last year I thought we’d learn from that and set the record straight. Instead we were just as bad and even after leaving it 24 hours to see if I calmed down, I’m still just as pissed off as I was during the game.

 

As great as these lads have been for us and as much as I love them all, I’d love five minutes with them to just tear a massive strip off them.

 

Let’s get this straight. Man United are fucking shit. They were shit last year too. We should be fucking battering them. If we’d played anywhere near our usual level we would have. But we didn’t. Yet again. We produced our worst performance since… I dunno, probably Belgrade or Naples last season.

 

The question is why? Don’t give me any of that shit about what United did tactically. Get the fuck out of here with that shit. You’re trying to tell me that Solksjaer has the coaching acumen to do what virtually no other coach in Europe has been capable of? No, it’s not that. It’s got fuck all to do with anything they did. It’s all about what we did. Or specifically, what we didn’t do. 

 

United didn’t do anything special in terms of tactics. They didn’t even play especially well. They played like the plucky, bottom half of the table side they now are. They got behind the ball, they scrapped and they tried to break with two pacy forwards when they had the chance. They time wasted and they rode their luck.

 

They were basically Sheffield United, only not as good. And yet we needed a late equaliser from Adam Lallana of all people to spare our blushes. I’m seething about it, so imagine how angry this report would be if we hadn’t got a point.

 

If I had the chance to speak to the players I’d ask them what the fuck their problem is. Why when they go to Old Trafford do they suddenly start doing shit they’d never normally do? The decision making goes out the window and they play with all the zip and quickness of Neil Ruddock rolling out of his pit and waddling to the bathroom for his morning piss.

 

It was slow, pedestrian, just fucking shite. For virtually the entire game. I don’t understand, but you can’t just put it down to a bad day at the office because it happens every year. Three years in a row we’ve gone there and played like this. 

 

Next week we’ll be back to playing our lightning quick, inventive, incisive football. The kind of football we are NEVER able to produce at Old Trafford. It would be ridiculous to call these players chokers or question their bottle, as they’ve proved themselves on that front time and time again. 

 

There is definitely some kind of mental block whenever they go there and I’m fucking sick of it. At least it’s out of the way and we don’t need to go there in the run in like last year.

 

I could tell inside the first ten minutes it was going to be shit. We started the game exactly the same way we usually play there. Passes going astray, the ball not sticking up front, generally just looking lethargic. And it stayed like that for most of the game. It only picked up when we finally equalised late on and then began playing.

 

Watching this was torture. I was just getting more and more angry with every passing minute. I haven’t been this pissed off watching the Reds in as long as I can remember. I’m definitely over-reacting to it, I’m fully aware of that, but it is what it is. Every few minutes I was yelling at the telly “what the fuck was that??”

 

Next time I should probably not watch it at all and just check the score at the end, because it’s really not fun is it? Every season this is the least enjoyable game of the year. It shouldn’t be, because they’re fucking garbage, but it is because we never make them look like the fucking losers they are. Fucking Newcastle can beat them and expose them for how shit they are, but the best team in the country - the Champions of Europe no less - can’t. Fucking winds me right up.

 

One thing that needs saying though is that in spite of how shite they performed, once again this team came through when it mattered. They were on the brink of losing, nothing had gone their way and it would have been easy to lose heart and just accept it wasn’t their day. They didn’t though. They kept going and going and eventually they found a way. With a few more minutes they’d probably have found a winner too, as they were knocking on the door and United were shitting themselves.

 

What went before Lallana’s equaliser though was fucking rubbish. I could make a big thing about VAR but the truth is I’m angrier about how we played than I am about the absolute shitfest we saw from Atkinson and his little video helper.

 

I may as well address that now and get it out of the way. Klopp is completely wrong in his assessment of it. The point he made is right in general terms. Refs (and lino’s) are sometimes not giving decisions because they’re thinking that VAR will sort it out if they’ve missed something, but that’s not what happened here.

 

This was just Atkinson being a law unto himself, as usual. This is the same cunt who didn’t send off Maguire at Anfield last season and then in the same game failed to award a penalty for the clearest of fouls on Keita. He didn’t give the foul on Origi because he’s a useless cunt, not because he thought VAR would help him out.

 

And when he didn’t give the foul, I knew that was that. VAR wasn’t going to over-rule him because the only time they over-rule anything is with offsides or handball by an attacker. Which we then found out to our cost soon after when Sadio had a goal ruled out.

 

That was the correct decision under the new law. I don’t like it and I think the rule is a fucking joke, but if the ball hits an attacker’s arm/hand then the goal is automatically disallowed. So again, it went exactly as I expected. Harsh on Mané because not only was it unintentional, it was unavoidable. Linderloth was all over him and he was so busy trying to hold him off that the ball just dropped and hit his hand. It may have hit the defender on the way down too, in which case the goal should have stood according to how the law is worded.

 

But I’m not going to get bogged down on that because we’ve already established that VAR is a fucking abomination that’s killing football, and Martin Atkinson is a twat. We knew this already, and while it’s still fucking galling, if we’d played anywhere near the level we should it wouldn’t have mattered because we’d have put those losers to the sword.

 

It’s funny really, seeing United playing like at home, and listening to their fans cheering every launched clearance up the field. They’re so far behind us now and they know it. It seems to have happened so quickly as well. It’s not like we’ve just been steadily finishing a few points more ahead of them over a period of time. It was just BOOM! One year they’re finishing second and then all of a sudden they’re like 30 points behind us or something.

 

They played like plucky little underdogs. Defending deep and trying to counter attack on the rare occasions they could get out of their own half. They’re clinging to the smallest of victories too. Mighty Manchester United are now so fucking irrelevant that their fans are celebrating Big Virg losing his balance in a tussle with Rashford. It’s not like Rashford even did anything with the split second advantage it gave him, but their fans are all over twitter with their dicks swinging. Hilarious. Evertonian behaviour that.

 

They did work their goal well though to be fair. I mean, that is if you discount the clear foul that started the whole thing off. James got down the right hand side and delivered a good ball, and Rashford’s movement was brilliant to get in behind Matip. Alisson had no chance. 

 

Origin made the most of the challenge but it was still a clear foul. What pisses me off is that prior to that Atkinson had given four or five free-kicks (mostly to United) for similar incidents. Then he just decides to ignore this one. 

 

Klopp was furious, but he seemed to be like that most of the afternoon, which was understandable given how we were playing.

 

I thought he might sort it out at half time, but the second half was just as bad. United just retreated deeper and deeper and we were passing it around in front of them, looking absolutely fucking clueless. 

 

At least in the first half we had a few moments in and around their goal. Bobby blazed wildly over the bar (classic example of what I'm talking about. Whan do you EVER see him take a shot in that situation??) and then shot tamely at De Gea, probably because he was trying to be 'safe' after his earlier wild effort. That second chance was from a rare moment of quality from Mané, who wasn't as bad as Origi or Firmino but was still way below par.

 

The front three never got going all day. It’s easy to say Mo’s absence was the reason for that but the last two years in this fixture he’s absolutely stunk the place out so I wasn’t even arsed when I saw the team.

 

Unfortunately Divock did fuck all, and by using him on the left we also lost the combination of Mané and Robbo on that flank. The whole team looked disjointed and as has been said so many times before, when the front three aren’t delivering that’s when the ‘three grafters’ midfield approach gets exposed.

 

I’d have changed that at half time as it clearly wasn’t working. Gini was alright in the first half and had some positive runs, but overall neither he nor Hendo gave us anywhere near enough.

 

Ox came on for Origi and at least he had a couple of shots. That was a change that most people probably would have made, but Lallana being the next one off the bench wasn’t something many expected (or wanted). He made a difference though. He got on the ball and he was positive, turning away from people and getting us on the front foot. 

 

Keith too. He wasn’t on long but from the moment he set foot on the pitch he was involved in everything. Everything he did was simple, but it was also effective and helped us begin to apply pressure that eventually produced the equaliser when Lallana stole in at the back post to tap in Robbo’s delicious centre.

 

It took us 86 minutes to put together a move like that. No excuse for that really, but better late than never. After that we could have won it, which would have been fucking hilarious. We had a penalty shout right at the death but unfortunately the ball hit the defender on the shoulder rather than the arm. Who would have taken it? I’d probably have given it to Lallana you know, but it’s a moot point really.

 

So, shit as we were, at least we didn’t lose. The winning run came to an end but the undefeated streak goes on. United can enjoy their minor victory and we can leave them to their Europa League shit and battle to stay out of the bottom six. We don’t need to think about the cunts again until they come to Anfield and hopefully get the beating they’ve got coming to them.

 

What a rat that Dan James is by the way. Fuck me, he’s one irritating little shitbag. He’s got one of those faces you’d never tire of smashing with a frying pan. I called that after his first game though, in the PL Round Ups. I’ve got an uncanny ability to spot these twats before most others become aware of it. I’m rarely wrong either, I can spot them a mile off. See also Richarlison. I told you he was a cunt and now the entire world knows it.

 

And what’s with Matip putting the ball out so the little shithouse could get attention for one of his phantom head injuries? He’s had more fake ‘headaches’ than my missus. United’s players knew what he was up to, they’ve obviously seen it so many times before. They didn’t put the ball out, but we did? What the fuck? 

 

But anyway, all in all the result wasn’t actually too bad in the end, it’s just the manner in which it was achieved left a bad taste in the mouth. You get days when it just doesn’t click, I get that, and if we’d played like this away at Newcastle or Watford I wouldn’t be reacting like a spoiled teenager.

 

It wasn’t Newcastle or Watford though, it was a game against our biggest historical rivals and a fixture in which we were due a performance. And we didn’t get it. So yeah, my toys are out of the pram but I don’t think I’m being too unreasonable.

 

We’re top of the league, six points clear, we haven’t lost a league game since January and we’re the Champions of Europe. There isn’t much to complain about really but these shit performances at Old Trafford are reason enough to be angry I think, for a few days at least. By the time we play again I’ll be over it, but for the next couple of days I’m going to just stew in my anger about yet another opportunity to destroy these fucking shitbirds that’s gone begging.

 

Star man is Adam Lallana. Mainly because of the goal, but also because he was one of the few who seemed to realise that United are fucking shit and went about his business accordingly. Unlike most of his team-mates he played his natural game, with a swagger, and I’m made up for him getting that goal. When Klopp sent him on you, if you listened closely you could actually hear the collective sneer from Reds on social media. But he came on and made the difference, so good for him.

 

As for the rest, Alisson did nothing wrong, Virg was fine and Robbo played well. The rest? Must do better. And they will, as long as they’re not playing at Old Trafford.

 

 

Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson; Fabinho, Henderson (Lallana), Wijnaldum (Keita); Mané, Firmino, Origi (Oxlade-Chamberlain):


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Our gloomy predictions realised Dave. Gutted. And I mean that, gutted.

 

Judging by your report and the match thread, Atkinson was as awful as ever (I just read that the Echo reported United apparently committed NO fouls between the 22nd and 72nd minute). As you rightly say, who is surprised?

 

I say again though, you cannot underestimate the adverse effect small refereeing decisions can make on a game. The big decisions too, but the little fouls, the break-up of play at key points, they're the ones that can really hurt. Taken individually, move along, there's nothing to see here. But over the course of a game? Massive. And in the short period I watched live, there were plenty of those nothing decisions, every one of which went their way. 

 

Nothing though gets away from turning in a turd of a performance. 

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Agreed, it's infuriating the way we play in an intimidating atmosphere, Goodison aswell as Old Trafford. It's almost the one flaw of this team, living up to the pressure of big match expectations.

Nothing childish about being pissed off about that, it shouldn't happen with professionals.

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I'd actually wiped the memory of that early Firmino effort out of my mind it was so bad. It was probably the first of many times where I was also screaming 'what the fuck was that?' at the telly. Ah well, at least we didn't lose and, as you mentioned, at least this game came early on in the season rather than during the run in like last year. The annoying thing is City will go there and make them look exactly like the bottom half shitbags they really are.

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This is one of those games where I wish somebody on a TV show somewhere would get a panel of FA cunts to dissect Atkinson's performance on screen, particularly in the first half.  It's either ineptitude on a grand scale or it's clear bias.  Either one should be enough to have him immediately removed from the Premiership rota of cunts in black.

Are the FA proud that one of their referees performed like that with millions watching ?  And that cunt Atkinson has form for this kind of shit, so it wasn't even a surprise how it turned out.

We stank the place out for sure, but it was fucking hard work against 12 men.

It'll be interesting to see if the Manc cunts put in the same kind of shift against their noisy neighbours.  I'm not holding my fucking breath on that one.

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Overall I agree, but I think you overestimate the player`s mentality.

 

Yes, they can produce a miracle against Barca in a situation where they have nothing to lose, and they can dig out results and grab late winners against lesser opponents because of the confidence Klopp has given the Squad. But Old Trafford has always been the most difficult place to go and the  biggest mental challenge.

 

When our world class players suddenly misplaces easy passes, makes awful decision and not even give a real fight, you have to question their mental strength. They are not "mentality monsters" in my eyes until they go to OT and show their superiority and absolutely destroy the mancs. 

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Great report Dave, puts words to the total frustration of playing like that, against them, again.

 

It's a bit of therapy, I can move on now and look forward to the next match.

 

I thought VAR might be good. And think it still might be one day. But here and now, it is fucking shite.

 

 

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Old Trafford isn't the toughest place to go because they're shite. These lads go to much tougher places and play far better than they do here. Look at all the teams who have won at Old Trafford int he last couple of years. It's not a tough place to go, it's just a run of the mill league game when you take all the hype out of it. That's what we need to do, see it for what it is. A league game against a mid-lower table side.

 

I don't think there are question marks about their mentality at all, they've proved they've got balls of steel time and again. They do have a mental block of playing United at Old Trafford though. I realise this is a little contradictory, but I don't think it's fair to question their mental toughness base on this one fixture a year (I take the point about Goodison, but there are mitigating circumstances for how we've played there, such as fixture congestion and rotation). 

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I remember in the 90's our season would often be over pretty early and the only thing that would brighten it up would be turning those twats over. it was kind of like a cup final once off big game. Its come full circle now both Everton and the Mancs now treat us turning up at their kips as a cup final. 

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5 minutes ago, piphomer said:

I might be alone here but I didn't really think it was a foul on Big Div...

Tackle from behind. Doesn't get the ball. Kicks the player. Its the very definition of a foul.

Oirgi certainly milked it but he was caught.

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35 minutes ago, piphomer said:

I might be alone here but I didn't really think it was a foul on Big Div...

You're not alone, you're flanked by Solksjaer and Atkinson!

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35 minutes ago, piphomer said:

I might be alone here but I didn't really think it was a foul on Big Div...

I agree that there wasn't a huge amount of contact in it. I had more of an issue with Atkinson blowing us up for absolutely everything. A City fan posted this on Twitter.

 

'Liverpool have dropped points in 9 of the last 47 games (19%). Atkinson has reffed them 9 times in that time, dropping points 4 times (44.4%). City have dropped points in 15 of the last 85 games (17.64%). Atkinson has reffed us [CITY] 7 times, dropping points 4 times (57.14%).

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It was very disappointing but I think the nail's head here is, everyone was saying winning here would be a piece of piss. But, to be honest, Id still have taken the draw before kick off. Why? Well I guess in part because when were were in our pomp through the 70s and 80s, these twats were nearly always getting the better of us and it is almost back to those times again.

 

I didnt think we played well against Napoli (although it was better than the previous season). I didnt think we played well at Sheff United. And I didnt think we played well against Leicester either.

 

So in that context, I can see why we didnt play well here. Im not say solskjaer is a tactical genius either but his team did stop both Robbo and Trent marauding forward. Lallana's goal apart, neither of them were putting in good crosses either.

 

united are just a bogey side to us like Leicester are and Napoli could become if we played them often enough. No one will convince me VAR should not have ruled rashford's goal off. It's an old cliche but we played 13 men on Sunday.

 

Bobby seems to have Ian Rush syndrome when playing against them but even Rushie came good eventually. Did we miss Mo? Ive been a bit hacked off with Mo's decision making of late but unfortunately, it didnt work for his replacement, Divock, on the day.

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I always wondered how Mr Ush came to start TLW and now it is clear.

 

Job Interview

Boss- 'So Dave what talents do you have...if any?'

Dave-' I have an uncanny ability to identify a twat before anyone else...'

 

Slowly reaches into his manbag and grasps the handle of a frying pan.

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I’m fine with the point. Away at OT in their cup final? Yeah I’ll take a point. Every point is absolutely huge this season. That is always going to be one of the hardest fixtures. We dust ourselves off and move on 

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5 hours ago, piphomer said:

I might be alone here but I didn't really think it was a foul on Big Div...

That was a foul all day long and twice on a Sunday.

Catches big Div in the soft tissue at the back of the knee.  No protection on that spot, fucking painful and glaringly obvious.  It takes an utter cunt of Twatkinson's standard to not give it.

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Just watched the review show with Neil Mellor on LFC TV and I feel a little differently about it now.

 

I was so blinded by fury at how we played in the first half that my head was up my arse and I didn't even notice the tactical changes made in the second. The second half wasn't great but it wasn't as bad as I felt it was at the time.

 

Mellor made the point that the VAR ref is an inexperienced official with only 15 PL games under his belt, and none of them involving big six clubs. So he was NEVER going to over-rule Martin Atkinson.

 

The foul was worse than I thought too, because he actually fouls him twice! He kicks him on his left calf and then he catches his right leg with his follow through. Terrible that Atkinson didn't see it, and even worse that it wasn't over-ruled by the YTS jabroni in the TV room.

 

I actually have a simple solution to this VAR bollocks. Just stick Clattenberg in the video booth as his ego is such that he'll happily over rule anyone that has got it wrong because he doesn't give a fuck. 

 

He's also the best ref we've had in about 15 years (probably since Durkin retired). 

 

Stick Clatts in charge.

 

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7 hours ago, piphomer said:

I might be alone here but I didn't really think it was a foul on Big Div...

If that was Matip on Rashford it would hands down have been given, probably a booking thrown in for good measure too.

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