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Liverpool 2 Manchester United 2 (Jan 5 2025)

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That was a pretty miserable day from start to finish. The weather was so shit the match was under threat and we didn’t find out until midday that it was going ahead. By the time the full time whistle went I wished it hadn’t.

 

It was a wet, cold and frustrating walk back to the car and then I had to sit for an hour in traffic trying to get out of the car park, stewing in my own thoughts.

 

The performance wasn’t anywhere near good enough, the atmosphere wasn’t anywhere near good enough and in the end I was relieved that we hadn’t lost. How the fuck did we get there? This is the worst United side in living memory, we’re absolutely flying and this should have been a home banker.

 

I don’t even say that in an arrogant, naive, tempting fate way. I know it’s them and that means it’s generally not easy. I wasn’t one of those saying it would be a walkover and an easy win. I didn’t think it would be easy, not like West Ham last week for example. I thought it would be professional, dominant, fairly straightforward win by a smallish margin. 2-0 or 3-1, with the killer goal coming fairly late.

 

I’ve watched a fair bit of United lately and they’ve been awful. Genuinely terrible. Poor individually, poor collectively and looking completely ill at ease with the formation their new manager wants to play. Lack of effort hasn’t been their problem. A lack of quality and balance has been. Square pegs in round holes all over the park. Even if they somehow got it together and raised their game, they’d need us to drop off massively for them to have a chance

 

And that’s what happened. They looked a different side, and so did we. And yet, statistically this looks like a game we should have won. Our XG was higher in this than in the 7-0! It didn’t feel like that watching it, but I may be allowing my judgement to be clouded by the emotion of watching the game in the stadium. How it felt is not necessarily how it was, and maybe if I’d watched on TV or if this was a game involving teams I have no emotional investment in, I’d see it differently. 

 

I can only say how I feel about it, but I am aware I might be overstating things because of how it felt watching it. I never felt like we built up a head of steam, it felt like the chances we had came sparingly and the longer the game went the more threatening United were, as they grew in confidence. 

 

They actually looked surprisingly confident even early on, but we contributed to that with the cagey start we made. We didn’t go after them and we didn’t get the crowd going early. A fast start would have done that, but it was almost like we wanted to feel them out to see what they were doing before committing ourselves fully. 


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Sorry, not having the head in bits argument. His attitude has been rank for a while, and he’s turned into an arrogant little so-and-so. Let him go to his man crush.

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Well it can’t have been easy having to revisit all that. But I found reading it quite cathartic, as I was struggling to make sense of what I saw. I hoped to have your thoughts on the shit atmosphere. It surprised me. Did you put it down to the conditions and the lacklustre performance? It was better against Fulham FFS

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If this fucks us over this season, it will be a collective responsibility.  Other players, manager, owners and fans.  They all have it in their control to stop this being a self-destructive act.

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Perhaps it's as simple as benching him for the next two Cup games, giving Conor game time and if Conor performs and gets match fit, then Trent can get his "head right" - or not - on the bench for the Forest and Brentford games.

It's looking a bit like he's checked out though.

Celebrating a massive deflected goal like it was a stroke of genius - get to fuck.

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Tough and honest read. I think most of us, players included thought we would smack the shit out of them and in all honesty that's exactly how it should have been. I never felt comfy watching it as we didn't dictate enough.

Very true about Trents performance distracting away from others as so many where off it, Diaz and Jones in particular.

I still think we need to strengthen in midfield as Grav looks shattered.

As for Darwin? Just stupidity of the highest order and although I agree it wasn't too bad it could have been a red card just for the intent of looking to do him. 

Nice to see tragedy chant arrests made including one prick from America, his family must be so proud.

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Agree with the earlier poster who said reading your report was cathartic. At the time, just after the game, I was so annoyed I couldn’t really grasp what I’d seen and I suspect that was the same with most of those in the ground, hence the relative silence compared to “usual” United games.
But this wasn’t totally unexpected really, they played as well as they have all season from what I’ve seen, whereas we decided to pull out a dogshit performance, spearheaded by Trent, but not solely by him, which meant we effectively dropped points we should, on current form, have easily had.

The biggest thing to come out of this game though is that the contract situation, certainly regarding Trent, has come to a head after weeks/months of speculation and rumour, and it’s threatening to adversely effect things.

Noticeable that the shit stirring started immediately after the game had finished and the media and our rivals won’t let it stop there.

It needs to be put to bed now.

Then at least Slot or whoever can get on with the job of winning a league which is by no means decided, but is in our hands to win.

 

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11 hours ago, Anubis said:

Sorry, not having the head in bits argument. His attitude has been rank for a while, and he’s turned into an arrogant little so-and-so. Let him go to his man crush.

 

More than one thing can be true. I'm not saying his attitude hasn't been questionable or that he isn't an arrogant little so and so.

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7 hours ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

Perhaps it's as simple as benching him for the next two Cup games, giving Conor game time and if Conor performs and gets match fit, then Trent can get his "head right" - or not - on the bench for the Forest and Brentford games.

It's looking a bit like he's checked out though.

Celebrating a massive deflected goal like it was a stroke of genius - get to fuck.

 

I think the priority has to be to protect Bradley and make sure he doesn't come back too soon and get re-injured. We may end up making him first choice so keeping him fit is imperative. I'd play Trent at Spurs, Bradley in the FA Cup and then see how that shakes out before picking the team for Forest.

 

Probably good to send Trent straight back out there and tell him to sort himself out.

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10 hours ago, Reckoner said:

Well it can’t have been easy having to revisit all that. But I found reading it quite cathartic, as I was struggling to make sense of what I saw. I hoped to have your thoughts on the shit atmosphere. It surprised me. Did you put it down to the conditions and the lacklustre performance? It was better against Fulham FFS

 

If we'd started the game well I think the atmosphere would have been fine. But it was too cagey and low tempo, and the sleet was pouring down all day so loads in the crowd will have been drenched. It was just a miserable day all round.

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1 minute ago, dave u said:

 

I think the priority has to be to protect Bradley and make sure he doesn't come back too soon and get re-injured. We may end up making him first choice so keeping him fit is imperative. I'd play Trent at Spurs, Bradley in the FA Cup and then see how that shakes out before picking the team for Forest.

 

Probably good to send Trent straight back out there and tell him to sort himself out.

Agree with that. Give Conor the last 30 minutes at Spurs then the first hour at the weekend. 

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Also, seen loads of reports of fans allegedly screaming abuse at Trent and telling him to fuck off to Madrid etc

 

May or may not have happened, all I can say is where I sit there was absolutely none of that. There was the usual groaning after a bad pass or mistake, but nobody was yelling anything at him and although I heard some booing when he was subbed, that was coming from the Kop and I didn't hear anything like that in my section of the Main Stand.

 

I suspect a lot of those reports are mischief making and exaggerated, although no doubt there will have been some fans shouting stuff at him. 

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Excellant report Dave pretty well balanced unlike most of what I’ve read. The conditions looked atrocious, on TV the pitch looked like a pudding one minute and a skating rink the next. That suited manU more than us. It’s all very well piling on Trent, he’s an easy target and the media are loving it and jumping on board, more likely to make him want to go than stay IMHO. There are other targets as much if not more responsible for the result. Slot was pretty passive and did nothing to shore up the right side, playing a not fully fit big Ibou didn’t help Trent, has destroying Quansah’s confidence after 45 minutes been a good move? He should have been on at some stage. The substitutions were weird: Nunez contributed nothing, he’s done as far as I’m concerned, putting Jota on  the left wing wtf? And if we are honest and looking at the full backs more goals against have come from the left than the right. Robbo can’t do at his age what he was doing 5 years ago and it’s costing us goals too often. We need to make some shrewd signings before the end of the month. A left back and a midfielder are priorities I think. The Hungarian lad at Bournmouth looks a prospect. 

 

All in all a shit Sunday which Slot and his staff have to ensure doesn’t have the same effect as last year’s cup debacle. 

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25 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

If we'd started the game well I think the atmosphere would have been fine. But it was too cagey and low tempo, and the sleet was pouring down all day so loads in the crowd will have been drenched. It was just a miserable day all round.

 

I was at the 0-0 draw on Dec 23, 1989.  Frustrating as fuck.  Kind of an unsavoury atmosphere.

Ended up being one of the best nights of my life.

And we all ended up laughing a few months later.

 

Hopefully, this ends the same way.

 

 

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I should have mentioned the pitch in the report as I planned to. As soon as I saw it I wondered what was going on as it was so fluffy and the grass looked long. You could see the ball slowing up when it rolled across the turf as there was no zip off the surface. It got worse as the sleet belted down, but you can't do anything about that.

 

Others have made the point that we knew this weather was coming so why wasn't the pitch covered on Saturday night? Undersoil heating stops the ground getting frozen, but it doesn't melt the snow and the grass looked fucked after the snow was cleared. I said on the pod it was like a wet tennis ball. I don't know why a cover wasn't put on to protect it, presumably there is a reason.

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Good stuff, Dave.

 

I’m still glad that the game went ahead because there’s every chance we’d have drawn anyway whenever it was due to be played again. They’re likely to improve a bit too, and like us in the 1990s/early 2000s, there’s always a fair chance they’d over perform in this one.

 

I’d like to think Virgil or someone had angry words with Trent afterwards, but I doubt that happens much these days in top level football. 

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Endo was stripping off his subs gear at one point and I thought him coming on at right midfield might have shored up a bit even if it's not his position. Slot was way too late in making a decision about a player who was having the worst game I can recall by any player in a long time. We do have a full back problem, hope Bradley can stay fit.

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3 hours ago, dave u said:

Also, seen loads of reports of fans allegedly screaming abuse at Trent and telling him to fuck off to Madrid etc

 

May or may not have happened, all I can say is where I sit there was absolutely none of that. There was the usual groaning after a bad pass or mistake, but nobody was yelling anything at him and although I heard some booing when he was subbed, that was coming from the Kop and I didn't hear anything like that in my section of the Main Stand.

 

I suspect a lot of those reports are mischief making and exaggerated, although no doubt there will have been some fans shouting stuff at him. 

 

A friend of mine messaged me to say that he was "Listening to anfield wrap....saying crowd turned on trent today and it got a bit nasty....? Did you see it that way?" I said I hadn't, just saw one lad go nuclear after the first Man Utd goal. There must be something to it though for it to be talked about there, right?

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So we ignore how shit some others were just so we can lay all the blame at Trent's door then?

 

There was absolutely nothing normal about Trent's performance, it was fucking horrendous. Others were poor too, just nowhere near as bad as Trent. 

 

If the other ten were all at their best level then Trent's shit show would not have stopped us from winning the game.

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4 minutes ago, dave u said:

So we ignore how shit some others were just so we can lay all the blame at Trent's door then?

 

There was absolutely nothing normal about Trent's performance, it was fucking horrendous. Others were poor too, just nowhere near as bad as Trent. 

 

If the other ten were all at their best level then Trent's shit show would not have stopped us from winning the game.

 

The knock on effects - especially positionally in defense due to Trent on both their golas - is alot of what you are basing others poor perfomances on.

That's why we lost.

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1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

The knock on effects - especially positionally in defense due to Trent on both their golas - is alot of what you are basing others poor perfomances on.

That's why we lost.

 

We didn't lose.

 

And if you're blaming Trent for Diaz doing fuck all or for Robbo being off the pace, or Curtis being invisible, then you should arrange to meet up with The Guest so you can both stick pins in your Trent voodoo dolls!

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4 minutes ago, dave u said:

We didn't lose.

 

And if you're blaming Trent

 

Yea, we kind of did.

 

The post says exactly what I said. Both golas. The other stuff I didn't say.

 

I don't blame him for Gakpo just missing or Mac blasting an excellent half volley into the legs of the keeper either.

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Trent was as poor as you can be without being charged with sabotage.  As Dave says though, he wasn't the only underperforming player on the pitch.  The only players to come out of it with any real credit were Gravenberch and Jota imo.

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Agree with the pod and the report watching on the box thar maguire chance looked off "enough". Glad it's cup ties before forest, just calms it all down for a bit " if we are off it a bit" and they flying, sets the pundits narrative straight away. Agree on Trent v Spurs. If Son plays then Trent needs to on it so slot needs to get in his head, tough one.

Bradley can get some mins v Accrington. Get some of our swagger back then go to Forest.

 

I haven't been worried or concerned at all this season, until now. 6pts is nothing, obviously rather have it than not, but if were chasing Arsenal 6 pts behind I would feel confident we can chase it down. Since Klopp left I still fully expected a title challenge as long as we didn't have a wanker in charge, we have the best squad in the league so we should be able to challenge. 

Just hoping the wheels don't come off, we have seen them from mentality monsters to quivering wrecks. This feels different but this squad needs to win this league this year despite Slot coming in. 

Half way in good shape but some hit and miss performances last few weeks.

Put Spurs to the sword, see off Accrington then Forest and all will be well with the world.

Fickle bastards aren't we!

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