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Liverpool 0 Real Madrid 0 (Apr 14 2021)

     

     
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We had a go but got what we deserved in the end. We were pathetic in the first leg and wasteful in the second. You can’t expect to beat anyone like that, never mind Real Madrid in the Champions League quarter finals. 

 

We played quite well in this game. I don’t think we were as good as a lot of people are saying we were but we were decent enough and should have won the game. I’d add a caveat to that though because Real had a two goal lead and played the game accordingly. Yes, we were on the front foot and had the most chances, but how much of that was because Madrid did what they needed to do in the first game and therefore approached this one a lot more cautiously than they would have? A lot, I’d say.

 

Nevertheless, on the balance of chances we probably should have won this game by enough goals to go through, but shite finishing has been a big problem all season so I can’t say this was unexpected. Goalscoring is a big problem for us currently.

 

Before the gave I gave us a one in ten chance of going through. After ten minutes that was up to around five or six as we started so well I was beginning to feel pretty confident. We looked like our old selves for those ten minutes. Then we began to resemble something between our old selves and this new, shite, lockdown version of us. 

 

By half time that five or six was more like a three or four. I still thought we could do it because we’d had very little trouble creating chances, but it was all about the first goal. If we got one I felt we’d get two, but sadly we couldn’t get the one.

 

Some may be encouraged by how we played but I can’t say I’ve taken anything from this. We were better than we have been for most of the season but it wasn’t anywhere near the levels we’ve set for ourselves. 

 

I do think that would have changed dramatically if we’d just converted one of those chances. That’s all it would have taken. Put one of them away and the confidence would have come flooding back and we might have steamrollered them. 

 

Instead we wasted some great opportunities and then with every chance that came along we seemed more and more hesitant. By the end, Mo was having to take about six touches before even attempting a shot. He was by far the biggest culprit and had he put that early sitter away then we’d probably be talking about another great comeback while looking forward to another semi against Chelsea.

 

Mo’s closing in on 30 goals for the season and unlike Firmino and Mané he’s still producing at the level he always has so any criticism of him is probably unfair, especially since I thought his overall performance was really good and he chased absolutely everything. His finishing was proper fucking shite though, and it’s not wholly inaccurate to say that’s why we’re out.

 

I’m not going to say that though simply because of last week. THAT is why we’re out. All eleven players were fucking hopeless and that stinking performance gave us a mountain that we were unable to climb without fans in the stadium. Had Mo not fluffed his lines we could have overcome the shitshow we served up last week, but his missed chances shouldn’t mask what the real problem was. You can’t play like we did last week and expect to go through.

 

Yet with fans in the stadium I’m convinced we would have done. Every missed chance seemed to take a little bit out of the players and make Madrid more confident, but with a full stadium the opposite happens. Fans don’t get disheartened by a missed chance, they get excited and raise the fucking roof. And that in turn lifts our lads and causes the opposition to panic. 

 

With a full house, this game doesn’t end up goalless. I’m 100% sure of that. That’s why I never believed we would turn this one around. When Mo missed that early chance the noise level would have been deafening. Our lads would have been desperate to get the ball back so they could continue applying pressure, and Madrid’s players would have been way more uncomfortable than they were in an empty stadium.

 

When Mo missed that chance they’ll have shrugged it off and thought “got away with one there”. When there’s 55,000 fans screaming encouragement it’s a whole different mindset. It becomes “fuck, we’re in trouble here”. 

 

On a normal Anfield night this one still wouldn’t have been over even when it reached 87 or 88 minutes. We could have got one and then in stoppage time forced another. We’ve done it before. The Dortmund game immediately springs to mind. In an empty stadium though forget it. 

 

The players gave everything they had but it was clear from about an hour onwards that it wasn’t going to happen. Personally I think the pivotal moment in the game was the horrific miss by Gini late in the first half. It wasn’t a sitter and I’m not saying he HAS to score. But you can’t shoot six yards over the fucking bar from there. You just can’t. It deflated everyone. You could see the disappointment in all of them, especially Gini. In a full stadium the fans lift the players and spur them on to keep pushing. Gini’s name would have been chanted. Instead they have to lift themselves and it’s just a lot more difficult, especially given the run we’ve had these last four months.

 

Other than that terrible finish Gini was outstanding, but what does it matter when you blow your big moment like that? Same with Mo. He played really well but he should have had a hat-trick. The first one he missed was weak as fuck. He needs to be bursting the net there but he sort of scuffed it. The next one got stuck under his feet and he scooped it over. After that he was just taking too many touches.

 

Milner had a good effort saved by Courtois and after the break Bobby brought two saves out of the keeper but really everything was straight at him. Like I say, the miss from Gini was the real killer when I look back on this game. That’s the one. Bury that, go in at 1-0 and we probably end up going through.

 

Instead we’ve lost to a team we would have fucking obliterated had we played them last season or the season before. They’re nothing special and Chelsea should fancy their chances of doing them in the semis. Hopefully they won’t, but I hate the fact I’m now having to root for Madrid or PSG to win it. Two clubs I have no time for whatsoever. 

 

This is completely on us though. We weren’t hard done by. We can’t blame refs or VAR in the way we’ve been able to for much of the domestic season. This one is on Klopp and the players. Some of Klopp’s decisions over the two legs are certainly questionable but mostly it’s on the terrible performance last week and the shit finishing in this leg.

 

Starting Keita last week backfired terribly and I’m sure a lot of fans were equally as miffed by Jota being left on the bench for this one. I was a little surprised by that but I understood it. We needed to win 2-0 and Jota has been a big difference maker off the bench. Firmino doesn’t have that kind of impact and benching Sadio - while completely justified - would have been counter-productive as I don’t think you could expect him to come on and make any difference with his confidence on the floor.

 

Klopp left out Jota and Thiago and put his faith in players who had come through for us many times in big games. I’m ok with that and maybe if he’d done it last week in Madrid then we wouldn’t have been in this situation. That might have been his line of thinking here.

 

The substitutions I’m not so comfortable with. Taking off Kabak seems pointless to me, especially when Phillips had just been booked seconds before. As well as big Nat played, he’s on a yellow card so it would have made more sense to take him off rather than Kabak. 

 

But my wider complaint would be that I don’t see the sense in changing either of them. All it does is take Fabinho out of midfield and surely we know now that there are no circumstances whatsoever where that makes us stronger. Our midfield needs to be Fabinho plus two. Subbing Kabak and moving Fabinho back there achieves nothing other than making the midfield weaker.

 

You can also argue that bringing Thiago on doesn’t achieve anything either. This might be unfair but I just thought “what the fuck difference is he going to make?”. The answer was none. He was fine. He did nothing wrong. But we thought we were getting one of the best midfielders in the world but so far he’s been a poor man’s Joe Allen.

 

He’s just been so fucking underwhelming but it’s only partly his fault. It’s not even that he’s playing badly (I don’t think he is) but he’s just a terrible fit for this team. I’ve said before that he’d be quality at Man City but what he does isn’t working for us at all. It’s partly because the forwards have been shite I suppose, but watching him is doing my head in now. 

 

Loads of sideways, simple passes that he plays with a little swag in his step that makes him look like he’s doing more than he actually is. He’s the master at looking great at doing something really simple. Then when he plays it forward it’s nearly always cut out by a defender, which I’m not even blaming him for because he’s having to try to force it and play eye of a needle passes.

 

Thiago has been a great player his whole career but he hasn’t been a great player for us. It’s a stretch to even say he’s been good. Maybe that changes next season but I can’t really think of any reason why that would be. He’s got Juan Sebastian Veron written all over him. 

 

Did he bring more to the team than Milner had done before he was subbed? Not for me, although I’m not saying Milner shouldn’t have been subbed as he was probably in the ‘red zone’ having played the full game at the weekend. The change had to be made and Thiago for Milner would have made sense. 

 

Thiago for Kabak and Jota for Milner wasn’t something I was on board with though. I see the logic in getting the fourth forward on but Sadio had completely fizzled out after a bright start and I’d have taken him off because he was killing our attacks every time he got the ball. He’s completely lost right now.

 

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a truly great player become absolutely fucking shit almost overnight. With Bobby it was a slow decline but Sadio started the season well and then just fell off a cliff in December. Klopp insists it isn’t a physical problem so it must be confidence. I almost wish it was a physical problem because that’s easier to fix.

 

Maybe he just needs a good goal or a strong performance to get his mojo back. Let’s hope so because we just aren’t the same team when he isn’t himself. He used to be so fucking explosive. It’s heartbreaking watching him play this badly. 

 

As I say, I’d have definitely subbed him to get Jota on. He was taken off a bit later along with Bobby as Klopp made a last throw of the dice with Shaqiri and Ox. That was never going to work but it was worth a try as nothing else was working at that point. It’s a sign of where our main problems lie now though that with ten minutes to go and needing to score twice, Firmino and Mané are being subbed.

 

The longer the game went the more ragged we got (understandable as we became desperate) and if anyone was scoring in the closing stages it was going to be Madrid. Thankfully they didn’t because the lads at the back deserved a clean sheet. Alisson had very little to do but he made a great double save to deny Vinicius Jr and Benzema.

 

Big Nat was excellent and Kabak did nothing wrong either. The only criticism I have of Phillips is that he’s fucking hopeless in the opposition box on set-pieces. In his own box he wins everything. At the other end all he does is bump into people and give away free-kicks. We pose zero attacking threat from set-pieces these days and that was a big part of our arsenal before Virg was taken out. Now when we get a corner we may as well just play it short because the ball into the box isn’t working at all. Ever.

 

Phillips was a positive and he’s doing enough to deserve another season in a back up role. The full backs were brilliant too I thought, especially Trent who was top drawer all night at both ends. He defended superbly when he had to and when he was on the ball he always looked the most likely to make something happen. Star man by a mile for me.

 

It’s pretty gutting to go out but it’s easier to take when there’s no injustice involved and we can’t feel hard done by. This exit was entirely self inflicted but the main concern now is that it might be a while before we’re back in this competition again.

 

We have a chance at top four but we aren’t favourites and I’m not expecting us to do it. We might do, but it feels more unlikely than likely at this stage. I’m sure we’ll be better next season when fans are back in and we’ve had the chance to regroup and try to just put this nightmare eight months or so behind us, but there are some big question marks hanging over us now all over the park.

 

The full backs are great but Klopp has no faith in their back ups which means they are being overplayed. Our main centre backs may not be the same when they come back from injury. The midfield is a fucking mess. Fabinho is great but Gini looks like he’s off, Hendo is always injured, Milner is on his last legs, Keita can fuck off, Thiago is a square peg in a round hole and Ox is completely pointless these days. 

 

But despite all of those issues the forward line remains the biggest source of concern and frustration for me. You know how long I’ve been saying it but the front three as a unit have gotten steadily worse each season, and now only one of them is pulling his weight. Jota has been great but we need more than just him and Mo scoring.

 

There are a lot of things that need fixing but I doubt there will be much money to fix them. Securing a top four spot is massively important but it just doesn’t look like the lads have it in them to do it. I’ll be honest, I’m even expecting us to lose at Leeds next week.

 

I just wish it was all over as this has been the least enjoyable season of my lifetime by a fucking mile. We’ve had worse teams and worse results, but never anything as miserable as this when you factor everything together.

 

The expectation going into it, not being able to celebrate winning it last year, the events at Goodison, losing all of our defenders and then the midfielders who were filling in, the constant stream of VAR inflicted persecutions, the run of home defeats, it’s just been abject fucking misery. 

 

This season needs to fuck off and never be spoken of ever again.

 

JFT96.

 

Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Phillips, Kabak (Thiago), Robertson; Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Milner (Jota); Salah, Firmino (Oxlade-Chamberlain), Mané (Shaqiri):


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Good report Dave. I knew we weren't scoring when Gini blazed that chance over. It was abysmal finishing from a player who just doesnt score enough for us. Fuck this he scores loads for the Netherlands shit. Couldnt give a fuck what international teams do.

 

I had trouble starting my stream so missed Mo's early chance but as you say, that goes in and Real might have wobbled.

 

This sums it up though "But despite all of those issues the forward line remains the biggest source of concern and frustration for me. You know how long I’ve been saying it but the front three as a unit have gotten steadily worse each season, and now only one of them is pulling his weight. Jota has been great but we need more than just him and Mo scoring."

 

Said it before, they were all bezzie mates for the first season and a bit then the golden boot comes along with it's best friend, the green eyed monster. Suddenly it's everyone for himself and Bobby's caught in the middle.

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Good luck to the marketing department trying to shift any season 'highlights' DVDs for this season. The annoying thing is it's all been so depressing and abject that I can't even find any solace in watching old highlights from last season. I've had a documentary about last season recorded off Sky Arts since about the end of January and still not been able to find any desire to watch it. I don't want to hear a load of self-congratulatory hyperbole about last year when we've fallen so far so quickly since. It's starting to look more and more like we need a considerable rebuild rather than everything being magically better next year. Rather than the last 2 years being the start of a sustained period of being at the top, it's starting to look more and more like it was the peak of that team. Maybe occasional spells like that are the very best we can hope for these days when other teams have bottomless pits of money to spend.

 

Good report of last night. We were good, not great, but ultimately did far too many things wrong over the 2 legs to go through. As well as the finishing last night the final balls so often just seemed to be a bit off. There were a few attacks that broke down in the first half because key passes were delayed or were played a a bit behind their target and momentum was lost as a result. At our best, when everyone was full of confidence, those passes would have been played automatically and been spot on. It's hard to imagine we'd have been able to beat any of the other teams left. I watched the games between Bayern and PSG and couldn't help but think they looked light years ahead of us at the moment. It was a depressing contrast to just 2 years ago when Bayern looked almost scared of us over the 2 legs.

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That point about this season is bang on. I'm optimistic for the future, unlike under Hodge or tail-end Rafa/Ged, but the shitness of this season is less about us and more about the state of the wider game currently. Without fans it's pretty awful, VAR is seemingly another tool for referees to just control the game however they fucking want, social media is a fucking cesspit showing up the fanbase of just about every team, and we're just seeing the natural endpoint of state and oligarch owned football - clubs with no fucking business being anywhere near the European Cup final stages finally buying their way there and now competing amongst themselves for it.

 

Shame we're out, glad we made a go of it at least and didn't embarrass ourselves, no real complaints about the result. We just need to dust ourselves off and go again next season - but there's a lot of niggly shite to sort before then.

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Totally agree on this season.  I’ve felt that for a while. It’s just been a perfect storm of absolutely miserable shite of one sort or another, week after week. 

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Thought the game was gone the minute Fabinho was moved to CB?WTF was that about?Klopp has made some baffling decisions this season but that beat them all.I still thought we could claw it back previous to that but lost all hope then.

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Great report Dave totally agree with it. Last week though the whole team played badly  I think the defeat was on Klopp for starting with Keita (really hope he goes in the summer. ) I just want the season to finish. I hope the owners cough up some money.....Robbo looks dead on his feet now and he has the Euros to go as well ! We definitely need reinforcements up front too.

 

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Good report, I agree with most of that however we were never going through last night, I think if we score they would have. All hinges on top four now and as you say I don’t make us favourites either.

 

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Bang on the money, Dave.

 

Nothing to add, really.

 

I honestly think the starting linenup was good, and the subs killed us.

 

Jota for Mane, Shaq for Bobby, Thiago for Milner (10 minutes later than it was done)

 

The shape didn't need to change.

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I just want this season over now too. FSG needs to open the cheque book , bollocks to money ball.  Spend, spend spend. Strengthen properly (like we should’ve done last summer) and challenge again. 

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On the plus side, I actually thought Ox looked lively (he did so in his last cameo, as well) and, dare I say it, approaching some kind of form. And the intensity of our pressing was almost back to normal. Scant consolation, I know. 

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Can't agree with it being the most miserable season. I think you are about my age. In the early 90's we had a few under Souness that were far worse than this one. We were going nowhere fast in the league, and a league cup and fa cup win giving some false hope that we were on an upward trajectory. What really brought home that we were no longer a big club was losing in the UEFA cup to nomarks like Genoa. The team and club seemed rudderless, and I envisioned a life without trophies.

 

This is still the best I've felt about the club's stature and future since the mid 80's (when I started supporting), and this clusterfuck of a season is just that, an amassment of freak injuries, VAR, no supporters and oil clubs being oil clubs.

 

I still believe the team below wins the league this year (and next). Even if you're critical to our forward line and their their lack of clinical finishing, so much has been lost from our play with the absence of VVD/Gomez/Matip. Probably 3 of the best 6 CBs in the league. It has impcted our positional play, our pressing. You can complain that we've been slow to react etc. Would Chelsea have been dominant without Terry/Carvalho? Utd without Vidic/Ferdinand? It's impossible to establish a dominant team without a very good/elite CB partnership. We SHOULD have gotten replacements earlier in the January window, that might have saved us a few points in the league. I'm still very optimistic about next year, even if a CL quarter final exit is hard to take.

 

 

----------------------Allison-------------------

--Trent------Gomez-----VVD--------Robbo

----------------Fabinho----------------------

-------Henderson-----Thiago/Gini----------

--Salah----------Firmino------------Mane---

 

Give these guys a proper pre-season and we're rolling again...

 

2nd team:

 

-------------------Kelleher-------------------

--Neco-----Matip--Kabak/Phillips--Tsimikas

-----------------Milner------------------------

----Oxlade/Shaq--------Jones--------------

---Elliott-----------Origi----------Jota-------

 

Players in bold with legitimate claims of being 1st teamers. Some upgrading needed in our other backups, with Tsimikas and Elliott relatively fresh faces with something to prove. We know what the others can and can't do. One would think a few of these might be shipped out, but with the pandemic affecting clubs all over the world, we might be "stuck" with them for another year.

 

Anyway, I'm rambling now, but I really can't understand the doom and gloom from everyone. I'm normally a pessimistic or at least realistic character, but I don't see the obvious shake-up everyone else seem to be expecting. The want for new players when these have served us so well over the last few years really isn't in my blood I think. Would it be nice to get a super-striker in to compete with our front three (like Jota has done when fit)? Sure. Is it realistic? Probably not. 

 

We need a 4th CB with pace, as the questionmarks over the fitness of our main 3 is my only big worry in the season to come. Other than that, I think minor tweaks is needed, not major changes. This season ended with the assault on VVD and subsequently when Gomez did his patellar tendon. Avoid something major like that and we should be competing in both the league and CL (which is still realistic to get).

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7 minutes ago, Tarwater said:

On the plus side, I actually thought Ox looked lively (he did so in his last cameo, as well) and, dare I say it, approaching some kind of form. And the intensity of our pressing was almost back to normal. Scant consolation, I know. 

I see Milner get a lot of credit for this (as he should, probably his best game in 2021). Firmino (as always) is the catalyst for this though, and while other will no doubt pounce on his missed passes/layoffs, surely absolutely no-one can have watched that game and missed what impact he had on Real's play, especially first 20 mins of 1st half and 15 of the 2nd?

 

For me he is still one of the first names on the team-sheet if we continue down the path Klopp has set for us with his gegen-pressing. If Jota plays, it's for Mane (on current form he probably should). Bobby's role has never been to finish our attacks, he's a provider, allowing Mane and Salah to shine. We also need to encourage one (or more) of our midfielders to get in behind him as well as our wingers. Until we get back some pace at the back that probably won't happen though.

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I’m a glass half full kinda guy so I’m taking the positive that it’s ain’t Chelsea or City that have beaten us which would have been unbearable and to be honest I have never felt we were going to win it this season.
You can’t be shite most of the time then turn it on when needed. Yeah I know we did it in 05 but that team apart from the first half in the final could defend and make it difficult for sides 

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He's scored six goals this season and he's been providing basically fuck all. Some of his passing is beyond pathetic. That one last night when all he needed to do was roll Trent in and he hit it straight at the defender. We've seen that far too often this past 18 months or so.

 

Pressing isn't enough to justify his place but I do agree he's currently more deserving of his spot than Mané. Not that that is any kind of ringing endorsement as I'd play Shaq over Sadio too, and even Elliott or Wilson if they were still here.

 

Sadio looks like he needs a month's holiday where he isn't even allowed to think about footy.

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10 minutes ago, dave u said:

He's scored six goals this season and he's been providing basically fuck all. Some of his passing is beyond pathetic. That one last night when all he needed to do was roll Trent in and he hit it straight at the defender. We've seen that far too often this past 18 months or so.

 

Pressing isn't enough to justify his place but I do agree he's currently more deserving of his spot than Mané. Not that that is any kind of ringing endorsement as I'd play Shaq over Sadio too, and even Elliott or Wilson if they were still here.

 

Sadio looks like he needs a month's holiday where he isn't even allowed to think about footy.

I agree he's been off form for a while, but as I've said in previous posts, he's probably the player sufferiing THE most from not having our CBs there. He becomes a lot less effective when we can't press in pockets/compacting the pitch. It gets harder to justify his place in the team then, as he will never have big scoring numbers playing the way we are. Points-wise, we would probably have been better off points wise in the league sitting deep playing counter attacking football with Ox, Mane and Salah. I like that we haven't deviated from our plan though. It's something that Guardiola has taken a lot of stick for both at Barca, Bayern and City. Not having a plan B when going behind etc. I think it's much better to have a set identity and sticking to it. That will serve you best in the long run, much as it has for City this year when they've gotten their CBs back in shape (and bought a good one to add).

 

In bold, yeah, that was a shocker. He telegraphed it too, which made the pass look even worse. Still, Benzema had one just like it for Real in the 2nd half, Sometimes these things happen. It only becomes a big issue when you're not scoring/winning though.

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15 minutes ago, sir roger said:

He's been getting that since Xmas

Maybe the problem is that he's had nothing to think about except football for months. Lots of people have suffered mentally or got depressed during the lockdowns and he might be one of them. He certainly doesn't look right on the pitch - as if the whole world is on his shoulders -and it may be deeper than worry about his poor form. 

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I love Klopp, we all do, but this season he has been the biggest problem. From his relentless loyalty to certain non-performing players to the most baffling of team selections. Ridiculous substitutions. Not playing players in their best positions - he has really done the lot this year. Maybe he's also mentally fatigued after the madness of the last few seasons (with Covid thrown in for good measure) and he needs a reset. There's a lot going wrong all over the place but he's the man I'd trust most to fix it. Here's to the 21/22 season.

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1 hour ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

I love Klopp, we all do, but this season he has been the biggest problem. From his relentless loyalty to certain non-performing players to the most baffling of team selections. Ridiculous substitutions. Not playing players in their best positions - he has really done the lot this year. Maybe he's also mentally fatigued after the madness of the last few seasons (with Covid thrown in for good measure) and he needs a reset. There's a lot going wrong all over the place but he's the man I'd trust most to fix it. Here's to the 21/22 season.

Main causes for our disastrous season (where we still got to the QF stage of CL and are still favourites to get CL qualification), ranked;

 

1. Season-ending injuries to ALL three starting-caliber CBs (notice that we were top of the league until all three went down)

2. Inability to react to said injuries due to tight finances (during a pandemic, or on a whole)

3. Lack of supporters at home (a factor for all teams, but hits us more than most)

4. Other players injuries and loss of form, possibly Covid-related

5. Unprecedented run of shit decisions by VAR and refs (especially from Nov-Feb)

6. Profligacy in front of goal, Firmino and Mane being the main culprits, even if Salah misses his share too.

7. I'll be cooperative and put Klopp and some of his decisions here...

 

Fair to say I disagree a bit with your statement...

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2 hours ago, aws said:

Maybe the problem is that he's had nothing to think about except football for months. Lots of people have suffered mentally or got depressed during the lockdowns and he might be one of them. He certainly doesn't look right on the pitch - as if the whole world is on his shoulders -and it may be deeper than worry about his poor form. 

The most Liverpool thing ever to have the first Premiership player out with a broken soul.

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Last 3-4 paragraphs sum up how most of us are feeling Dave, but I am still optimistic that this team will compete again next year - assuming fans are back, that is.

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