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I’m feeling quite philosophical about this defeat, but that might change depending on PSG do in the rest of the competition. If they go on and win it this is not going to reflect too badly on us at all. We’re all saying right now how we were beaten by a brilliant team, but what if it turns out they aren’t? If they lose to Villa in the next round then this is going to look a whole lot different!

 

I can only say how I’m feeling right now though, and I’m ok with it. Relatively speaking. I feel sad today, but I’m not angry. I’m not pointing fingers or saying we should have done this or that, I just think we came up against a team that played better than us over the two legs and thoroughly deserved to go through. They said they’d do it, we all said they were being cocky, but they came to Anfield for a second leg and won. Fair play to them, not many teams do that and even fewer can say they deserved to do it.

 

Did PSG deserve to win this particular game? Maybe not as we were the better side on the night, but not by much. The first half was fairly even, we were very good in the second half and then they were definitely the better side in extra time. Bottom line is though, they fucking murdered us last week and we stole a result over there. Did they steal this one? No, it was a close game that could have gone either way but given how they played over both games (and how we played over both games) the right team went through.

 

Some people (me included) got carried away with the impressive start we made in this competition, winning seven on the bounce. That, combined with our dominance in the Premier League, had a lot of people describing us as the ‘best team in the world’. Other coaches said it too, and in certainly appeared that way. Maybe we were at that time, especially as PSG and Real Madrid hadn’t hit their stride at that point.

 

It’s been apparent for a while now though that we aren’t quite as great as it appeared. We’re very good, but not great yet. I’m fairly sure I’ve written it here or at the very least said it on the pod, but this team right now is a level or two below the ones who were racking up close to a hundred points and scaring the shit out of everybody we faced in Europe. Hopefully we’ll get back to that level, but we’re talking about the greatest team in our history and arguably the greatest team to ever play on these shores. So coming up a little short of that is fine. We are a little short of it though, that’s the point and that’s what we saw here. 


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3 hours ago, Code said:


Why?

 

Since 1955 when the European Cup was founded we have won 14 league titles, soon to win 15, while we “only” have 6 European Cups.

 

Winning the league is a piece of piss compared to winning the European Cup, winning the European Cup is a sign of greatness, winning the league is something even clubs like Everton, Arsenal, Blackburn, Leicester, Leeds in “recent” times can do. 
 


 

 

 

 

I actually don't want to argue with you about this.

 

But if winning the League is a piece of piss, then winning the European Cup while finishing 37 points adrift in your own League (c.2005) doesn't quite fit in with your expert assessment.

 

If I'm honest, while I loved the miracle of Istanbul, I realised then that the European Champions Cup wasn't what it once used to be - when we won it the first four times.

 

Interestingly, we won our first 4 European Cup Finals - all as Champions of England.

 

In the last 5 finals we have reached - none as Champions of England - we've won 2.  Perhaps that is no co-incidence.

 

I'll take a win in the European Cup, of course. But give me the "piece of piss" League title any day.

 

Call it my take on the shitness of modern football, but the criteria of winning our League, for all its faults, have changed a lot less than the European Cup.

 

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6 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

I'll take a win in the European Cup, of course. But give me the "piece of piss" League title any day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you this season, but if we can seal the League pretty comfortably I reckon that may burst an anxiety bubble that has built up with so many near misses and misfortune over the last 35 years ( and was unbelievably even added to when finally won the fucking thing in ridiculous circumstances ). We are possibly the only good side in Europe who would treasure the league over the CL at present ( Arsenal ? )

 

I think this seasons title would re-set the balance between Home and European desires and be like a footballing spliff for us going forward.

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6 minutes ago, sir roger said:

 

I agree with you this season, but if we can seal the League pretty comfortably I reckon that may burst an anxiety bubble that has built up with so many near misses and misfortune over the last 35 years ( and was unbelievably even added to when finally won the fucking thing in ridiculous circumstances ). We are possibly the only good side in Europe who would treasure the league over the CL at present ( Arsenal ? )

 

I think this seasons title would re-set the balance between Home and European desires and be like a footballing spliff for us going forward.

 

Agree. You're right.

 

I'd love to win both.

 

But I'd love more to go one clear of United at home first.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Arnaud said:

They have two teams when needed, and the back up one are  good enough to beat almost every one in France. Enrique made 10 changes from the last game. 

Wow! Didn't know that, thanks.

Sports washed fuckas.

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2 hours ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

 

I actually don't want to argue with you about this.

 

But if winning the League is a piece of piss, then winning the European Cup while finishing 37 points adrift in your own League (c.2005) doesn't quite fit in with your expert assessment.

 

If I'm honest, while I loved the miracle of Istanbul, I realised then that the European Champions Cup wasn't what it once used to be - when we won it the first four times.

 

Interestingly, we won our first 4 European Cup Finals - all as Champions of England.

 

In the last 5 finals we have reached - none as Champions of England - we've won 2.  Perhaps that is no co-incidence.

 

I'll take a win in the European Cup, of course. But give me the "piece of piss" League title any day.

 

Call it my take on the shitness of modern football, but the criteria of winning our League, for all its faults, have changed a lot less than the European Cup.

 


Winning the European Cup these days is on a completely different level of difficulty than in the 70’s and 80’s. 
 

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8 minutes ago, Code said:


Winning the European Cup these days is on a completely different level of difficulty than in the 70’s and 80’s. 
 

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You can't help it if you know more about football than me.

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Code said:

Im fucking gutted, it feels like this will take away some of the shine of the league title for me. 

There is nothing that can take away that shine

 

How many times in has an English team won both in same season? Not many is the answer and most of them are us over 40 years ago.

 

Winning the league this season is going to be one of the most special things this club has ever done. 

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1 hour ago, Code said:


Winning the European Cup these days is on a completely different level of difficulty than in the 70’s and 80’s. 
 

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The bits you are forgetting are:

 

1. You had to win your league to get into it back then.

 

2. You couldn't lose 4 or 5 games and win it - it was cut throat knockout football and like this year you couldn't finish 24th in a 32 team group phase and win it....

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I don’t understand conversations about choosing between trophies. It’s never that simple in real life - or even possible, for that matter.
 

And besides, as one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the history of the global game, why should we choose? Surely we have to go hard for everything? We should be in a position where we effectively have two sides anyway, even if one is more developmental than the other. So use all the players more frequently/judiciously/equally to ensure everyone is fit, focused and in form when needed. 

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29 minutes ago, an tha said:

There is nothing that can take away that shine

 

How many times in has an English team won both in same season? Not many is the answer and most of them are us over 40 years ago.

 

Winning the league this season is going to be one of the most special things this club has ever done. 

 

No its not, that is your subjective opinion, I disagree.

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26 minutes ago, an tha said:

The bits you are forgetting are:

 

1. You had to win your league to get into it back then.

 

2. You couldn't lose 4 or 5 games and win it - it was cut throat knockout football and like this year you couldn't finish 24th in a 32 team group phase and win it....

 

You actually dont understand what you are saying do you?

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3 minutes ago, Paul said:

I don’t understand conversations about choosing between trophies. It’s never that simple in real life - or even possible, for that matter.
 

And besides, as one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the history of the global game, why should we choose? Surely we have to go hard for everything? We should be in a position where we effectively have two sides anyway, even if one is more developmental than the other. So use all the players more frequently/judiciously/equally to ensure everyone is fit, focused and in form when needed. 

It's part of the shitness of modern football that it is even a thing.

 

You can only win a max of 4 things (that actually matter) a season - League, two domestic cups and a european trophy.

 

Winning any 1 is hard (look at how many clubs rarely if ever do, look across to the pit and what is now a 30 year drought).....Winning 2 even harder, 3 incredible and very, very rare - and all 4 - unheard of.

 

All any club can do is try its best in all of them - anything less is unacceptable - but history in reality shows us it is incredibly difficult to win things full stop, let alone everything or somehow being able to choose.

 

We came within a couple of games of doing the virtually impossible in 2022 and all along the way this narrative of "winning one cost us another" - "the cups meant we lost the league" and so on was deafening throughout..The reality is the team did its best to win everything it could and very nearly pulled it off....But like everyone else ever - we couldn't do it. Jibbing the FA cup in Jan wouldn't have necessarily meant we then won the title - or not making the milk cup final wouldn't have necesarily meant we would have beat Real Madrid in Paris - but there seems to be a narrative that gets pushed that it would or likely could.

 

I don't buy it - never have, never will. Players buzz of success and momentum and the confidence and belief it builds - other teams fear you when you are winning. Yeah managers need to manage loads etc and rotation is a big thing in the modern game and of course you pick a team to do the job in hand on any given day - and to do that you need the squad depth. 

 

But for me all this choosing between trophies talk is frankly bollocks.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Code said:

 

No its not, that is your subjective opinion, I disagree.

You don't think winning our 1st league title in 35 years that will be properly celebrated in front of our fans and in a new managers first season following an iconic manager is not one of the most special things in our history?

 

Well - it is your opinion and you are entitled to it but for my money its a really shit one.

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21 minutes ago, an tha said:

No. Just no.

 

Since 1955 these are the league winners and how many times they have won the European Cup.

Man Utd: 20 times - 3 European Cups
Liverpool: 13 times (soon 14) - 6 European Cups
Man City: 9 times - 1 European Cup
Arsenal: 7 times - 0 European Cups
Chelsea: 6 times - 2 European Cups
Everton: 4 times - 0 European Cups
Wolves: 3 times - 0 European Cups
Derby: 2 times - 0 European Cups

Tottenham: 2 times - 0 European Cups
Nottingham: 1 time - 2 European Cups
Blackburn: 1 time - 0 European Cups

Leicester: 1 time - 0 European Cups
Aston Villa: 1 time - 1 European Cup
Burnley: 1 time - 0 European Cups
Ipswich: 1 time - 0 European Cups

Its fair to say that winning the league is far more easy than winning the European Cup. 
 

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13 minutes ago, Code said:

 

You actually dont understand what you are saying do you?

I know what i am saying - what the fuck you are rattling on about though I freely admit has me bewildered.

 

It appears to be you claiming winning the league is a piece of piss and that winning the european cup is harder and doing so is much harder now than it was in the 80's.....

 

I make you dead wrong.

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1 minute ago, an tha said:

You don't think winning our 1st league title in 35 years that will be properly celebrated in front of our fans and in a new managers first season following an iconic manager is not one of the most special things in our history?

 

Well - it is your opinion and you are entitled to it but for my money its a really shit one.

 

Obviously not. 

 

How has celebrating with the fans anything to do with the performance?

That is utter woke nonsense!

 

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2 minutes ago, Code said:

 

Since 1955 these are the league winners and how many times they have won the European Cup.

Man Utd: 20 times - 3 European Cups
Liverpool: 13 times (soon 14) - 6 European Cups
Man City: 9 times - 1 European Cup
Arsenal: 7 times - 0 European Cups
Chelsea: 6 times - 2 European Cups
Everton: 4 times - 0 European Cups
Wolves: 3 times - 0 European Cups
Derby: 2 times - 0 European Cups

Tottenham: 2 times - 0 European Cups
Nottingham: 1 time - 2 European Cups
Blackburn: 1 time - 0 European Cups

Leicester: 1 time - 0 European Cups
Aston Villa: 1 time - 1 European Cup
Burnley: 1 time - 0 European Cups
Ipswich: 1 time - 0 European Cups

Its fair to say that winning the league is far more easy than winning the European Cup. 
 

No.

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2 minutes ago, an tha said:

I know what i am saying - what the fuck you are rattling on about though I freely admit has me bewildered.

 

It appears to be you claiming winning the league is a piece of piss and that winning the european cup is harder and doing so is much harder now than it was in the 80's.....

 

I make you dead wrong.


This is basically the same as saying it’s easier to get an eagle than a birdie, it’s obviously nonsense. 

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Just now, Code said:

 

Obviously not. 

 

How has celebrating with the fans anything to do with the performance?

That is utter woke nonsense!

 

You have to be the best over 38 games to win the league. And be incredibly consistent week in, week out.

 

To win the european cup nowadays you can lose as many games as you win and still come out with the trophy...try that record in the league and see how much brasso you need come the end of the season.

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1 minute ago, Code said:


This is basically the same as saying it’s easier to get an eagle than a birdie, it’s obviously nonsense. 

You like a hot take, code, and i admire that.

 

But you've burned your fingers and toes off with this one, pal. Put the shovel down now.

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Did Virgil win the toss before the match and choose the ball rather than an end or did I imagine that?

As for the goal, there's no way the pass from the left back up to Dembele can travel that far with no-one getting near it. Either a midfielder or centre back has to be getting close to cutting it out or challenging him before he turns. 

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9 hours ago, Code said:


Why?

 

Since 1955 when the European Cup was founded we have won 14 league titles, soon to win 15, while we “only” have 6 European Cups.

 

Winning the league is a piece of piss compared to winning the European Cup, winning the European Cup is a sign of greatness, winning the league is something even clubs like Everton, Arsenal, Blackburn, Leicester, Leeds in “recent” times can do. 
 


 

 


such a piece of piss we waited 30 yrs to win the Prem, while playing 3 European Cup finals in that time.

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1 hour ago, Code said:

 

Since 1955 these are the league winners and how many times they have won the European Cup.

Man Utd: 20 times - 3 European Cups
Liverpool: 13 times (soon 14) - 6 European Cups
Man City: 9 times - 1 European Cup
Arsenal: 7 times - 0 European Cups
Chelsea: 6 times - 2 European Cups
Everton: 4 times - 0 European Cups
Wolves: 3 times - 0 European Cups
Derby: 2 times - 0 European Cups

Tottenham: 2 times - 0 European Cups
Nottingham: 1 time - 2 European Cups
Blackburn: 1 time - 0 European Cups

Leicester: 1 time - 0 European Cups
Aston Villa: 1 time - 1 European Cup
Burnley: 1 time - 0 European Cups
Ipswich: 1 time - 0 European Cups

Its fair to say that winning the league is far more easy than winning the European Cup. 
 


If Kenny hadn’t of stepped down after Hillsborough, it could be argued that we would have won the Prem more than once in his first tenure, but it’s conjecture.

 

The fact is that we have found it impossible to win the league until Jurgen’s arrival. 30. Years. Let that sink in. Even since then we’ve been done by Shitty so much we’ve been denied.  We’re very close to overturning United’s haul, which I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. My Dad died a broken man in 2014 after we fucked up. His dream of seeing us do it before the end was shattered.

 

Number 20 is within grasp. That is HUGE in my book.

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2 hours ago, Paul said:

I don’t understand conversations about choosing between trophies. It’s never that simple in real life - or even possible, for that matter.
 

And besides, as one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the history of the global game, why should we choose? Surely we have to go hard for everything? We should be in a position where we effectively have two sides anyway, even if one is more developmental than the other. So use all the players more frequently/judiciously/equally to ensure everyone is fit, focused and in form when needed. 

 

 

I'd love to win all four.

 

The League is the one I most prioritise/value. (Bill Shankly said the same.)

 

That is all I was really trying to say to someone who is saying the gloss of winning a League title will be less (for him) for going out of the European Cup.

 

The "choose" thing is just as you say, "conversation". Maybe not real life, but a thing that supporters do tend to do. (Well, those lucky enough to have their team competing for trophies on multiple fronts.)

 

And yeah, personally, I'm no longer as fervent about the European Cup as I once was.

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