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Ipswich Town 0 Liverpool 2 (Aug 17 2024)

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A solid enough start and a comfortable win for the new boss. The second half was great, that was what I expecting from the start but for 45 minutes we were crap. Passive, toothless, lacking in any kind of direction. I can’t remember us even creating a chance. They didn’t create much either, but it was still more than us and they were marginally the better side.

 

Given how slick we looked for much of pre-season I didn’t see that coming, but I suppose it just highlights the difference in intensity when the real thing starts. Sevilla came over for a gentle kick around last week, whereas Ipswich were enjoying their biggest occasion in over 20 years. There’s the difference.

 

They had three players booked inside 20 minutes, but it was more down to over-enthusiasm than them being dirty bastards. I don’t think they’re going to be kicking fuck out of teams this year, I just think they were bang up for what was their biggest game in over 20 years.

 

And according to Slot, we didn’t match them. Their crowd were rabid as you’d expect, but the ref took the wind out of their sails a bit with the yellow cards. Not that he was wrong to do so. Every yellow he gave was pretty clear cut and if anything he was too lenient, as he could - and indeed should - have sent their right winger off for a deliberate handball when he was already on a booking.

 

I’m actually ok with him not producing a red card but only because of the context of the situation. If you’re officiating a newly promoted side playing their first top flight game in 22 years against one of the best teams in the world, you don’t want to be the guy reducing them to ten men for a couple of relatively soft incidents. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying it's understandable.

 

I know that shouldn’t come into it and officials are not supposed to let things like that affect their judgement, but some of them are actually human beings so if he didn’t want to be the massive arlarse ruining their big day unnecessarily, I can live with that. If he pulls that shit when we’re playing City, United, Arsenal etc then that’s a different matter entirely.

 

Overall the ref was ok I thought. The crowd were baying for him to even if up with yellow cards for our lads any time they committed even the most innocuous foul, but he didn’t buckle. Not until late on anyway when he booked Gakpo for a little trip. That’s fine though, four more of those and maybe Slot will have to put his Dutch bias to one side and give my Darwin a chance….

 

Anyway, the first half was shite as we were really passive all over the park and couldn’t create anything. Ipswich were spritely and pressed with energy, but even then this wasn’t a game when it looked like we might struggle. Even when we were doing nothing in the first half there were loads of times when they looked wide open if we’d have just played the right ball, so I was never especially worried about the result. I was just annoyed that we’d looked so flat.

 

The encouraging thing is that Slot identified what the problem was, dealt with it by letting the players know they needed to basically fight a bit harder, made a big call with a substitution  and after that we looked great. The second half performance was genuinely exciting, because some of the football was sensational and gave us a glimpse of what we can hopefully expect when the team is completely up to speed with what he wants.

 

The fact the first half was so shite points to an issue with the players I think, because we had this for most of last season too. It’s an issue Slot inherited and it’s one he’ll need to fix, because we can’t keep starting games looking so slow and passive. That first half was garbage, we barely even managed a shot.

 

At least we looked fairly secure at the back and didn’t have too many problems. They had more chances than we did, but it’s not like Alisson was stretched too much. He made a routine save from a Greaves header and then a comfortable stop to deny Hutchinson after a quick counter following one of a number of shite corners from us.

 


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The twist we did with the defence, wasn’t the Quansah, change as such, for me it was that we pushed the defensive back line up 10-15 yards, and stopped sitting so deep, which also coincided with the midfield starting to play in between their midfield - which  was the game changer.


Taking  Quansha off wasn’t the catalyst for all that, and we shouldn’t be so fussed if the manager hooks someone, we need that ruthlessness to demonstrate to the players, that there is no fucking about here. Giving 110% isn’t the be all and end all - you or I, or any one of us, can do that and collapse like a bag of shite, this is about ability and delivering on it. 
 

On the major plus side, buzzing for Gravanberch, finally he didn’t look like a square peg in a round hole, not sure this is his long term position, but that’s the most comfortable 45 minutes of football he’s played for us. 


Beat Brentford, put the mancs to the sword, get some momentum going and come the end of October, we should be in a good position for what will be a tough run. 

 


 

Liverpool Liverpool rar rar rar. 

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Great to have the match report back Dave, and not a single mention of their super popstar number 1 fan who BT Sports were obsessed with,,he left at half time apparently!

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The Quansah comments are a big mistake in my view. Regardless of whether it worked or not, I have no problem with the decision as that’s a manager’s job to use his judgement to change a game. Also, I have no problem with his reasoning and the fact that the player should be told. However, I cannot see for the life of me what he achieves by making that public in such a personal way. There is no upside to embarrassing a player in public, no matter what he’s done. Even if a player has got something badly wrong in a non-performance context, ripping him to shreds achieves nothing constructive. Clearly this was not that though, which makes it worse. 

 

The idea that your boss should tell everyone else at work - and in this case, millions of the viewing public – what he was not happy about in your performance, is absolutely insane. It’s humiliating, regardless of whether that was the intention or not. Imagine how any of us would feel in the same situation. Obviously, you haven’t got a boss Dave so think of it as Gail critiquing your domestic performances in the middle of the Asda for everyone to hear. You won’t hear the specifics of what she’s saying; you’ll just be embarrassed.

 

He could’ve easily explained why he made the change but de-personalised it and made clear it was not a knock on the lad himself -even if that’s not what he truly believed. I am convinced that if he carries on like this it will backfire on him. It’s a very foolish way to lead in my opinion and smacks of either inexperience or a lack of care.  

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37 minutes ago, Paul said:

The Quansah comments are a big mistake in my view. Regardless of whether it worked or not, I have no problem with the decision as that’s a manager’s job to use his judgement to change a game. Also, I have no problem with his reasoning and the fact that the player should be told. However, I cannot see for the life of me what he achieves by making that public in such a personal way. There is no upside to embarrassing a player in public, no matter what he’s done. Even if a player has got something badly wrong in a non-performance context, ripping him to shreds achieves nothing constructive. Clearly this was not that though, which makes it worse. 

 

The idea that your boss should tell everyone else at work - and in this case, millions of the viewing public – what he was not happy about in your performance, is absolutely insane. It’s humiliating, regardless of whether that was the intention or not. Imagine how any of us would feel in the same situation. Obviously, you haven’t got a boss Dave so think of it as Gail critiquing your domestic performances in the middle of the Asda for everyone to hear. You won’t hear the specifics of what she’s saying; you’ll just be embarrassed.

 

He could’ve easily explained why he made the change but de-personalised it and made clear it was not a knock on the lad himself -even if that’s not what he truly believed. I am convinced that if he carries on like this it will backfire on him. It’s a very foolish way to lead in my opinion and smacks of either inexperience or a lack of care.  


He criticised the team as a whole and said it wasn’t just Quansah though. 
 

If he’d come out and said Quansah played poorly and that’s why he took him off then what you said would be accurate, but he didn’t say that, so it isn’t. He was asked whether the sub was tactical he said yes and he said we were losing too many balls as a team.

 

He got hooked at half time that’s the bit that hurt for Quansah, and he’s going to have to take it on the chin. I have no problem with Slot being ruthless, he’s in charge and decisions like that show it. 
What would be shit is if he was day 1 in the new job and he left quansah on even though he had identified that as a weakness because he didn’t want to upset his new charges.

 

It bodes well in my opinion, he’s not intimidated by his surroundings

 

 

 

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I’m a bit uneasy with his comments, but only a bit. It’s a very competitive sport in the elite league, and you’ve got to be tough mentally and physically. The fact is, the change worked.

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I think Paul is probably reading too much into it at this stage based on this one specific example, but that isn't to say he doesn't make a valid overall point and he may ultimately be proved right in time. It is definitely something to keep an eye on because if it keeps happening it will become a problem. As of now I'm not particularly concerned by it.

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6 minutes ago, dave u said:

I think Paul is probably reading too much into it at this stage based on this one specific example, but that isn't to say he doesn't make a valid overall point and he may ultimately be proved right in time. It is definitely something to keep an eye on because if it keeps happening it will become a problem. As of now I'm not particularly concerned by it.

 

just wait until he goes public with his slagging off of fan forums

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3 hours ago, Bad Red Bull said:

In Slot's last two seasons at Feyenoord, he went into halftime either drawing or trailing 34 times. He made changes at halftime (or earlier) in 16 of those games. Feyenoord won 8, drew 6, lost 2. Often the players coming off were high-profile. Don't make this a Quansah thing.
 

source: https://x.com/el_mansfield/status/1825579341021065611

 

Be nice if he started getting it right from the off.

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On 18/08/2024 at 23:11, Chip Butty said:

The twist we did with the defence, wasn’t the Quansah, change as such, for me it was that we pushed the defensive back line up 10-15 yards, and stopped sitting so deep, which also coincided with the midfield starting to play in between their midfield - which  was the game changer.


Taking  Quansha off wasn’t the catalyst for all that, and we shouldn’t be so fussed if the manager hooks someone, we need that ruthlessness to demonstrate to the players, that there is no fucking about here. Giving 110% isn’t the be all and end all - you or I, or any one of us, can do that and collapse like a bag of shite, this is about ability and delivering on it. 
 

On the major plus side, buzzing for Gravanberch, finally he didn’t look like a square peg in a round hole, not sure this is his long term position, but that’s the most comfortable 45 minutes of football he’s played for us. 


Beat Brentford, put the mancs to the sword, get some momentum going and come the end of October, we should be in a good position for what will be a tough run. 

 


 

Liverpool Liverpool rar rar rar. 

Slot also noted that Ipswich were going man for man so he changed the plan to make the pitch wider so that we could take advantage of being better individually, everywhere. When we were compact in possession, it was easier for Ipswich to cover our midfield and full backs. When we split the centre backs, pushed Trent/Konate higher and a bit wider, their midfield was stretched, couldn't protect their defence and we made hay 1v1 against poor defenders.

Szoboszlai also dropped a little deeper, dragging one of their CBs with him, creating a little space inside for Salah to run into for both goals. 

Simple decisive changes. Impressive 

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While I agree with the points Razoray and others have made, I think the main thing was that Ipswich ran around like nutters in the first half in the heat, and hit the wall after an hour.

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It is a fine line. Calling players out once in a while can be alright. But we certainly don't want Slot crossing into Jose Mourinho territory of regular public criticism of players.

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