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It’s a good job we have such a big lead because we’re spluttering badly right now. We’ve lost three out of four and we’re playing like shit. You can twist it if you like and only use league results if it makes you feel better, but the games we lost recently aren’t exactly Plymouth in the FA Cup or PSV in a dead rubber are they? The games we’ve lost meant a lot and - irrespective of the competition - we came up short three out of four times.

 

The loss to PSG wasn’t deserved on the night of course, but we got absolutely fucking battered in the first leg and that was a huge red flag for me as I’m not used to seeing us dominated like that. Slot says it's because PSG are brilliant. Gonna look a bit silly if Villa knock them out, which I think they might. Regardless, our form is pretty grim at the moment and if our lead was five or six rather than eleven, I’d be shitting myself. It feels like last year all over again, when springtime came and we fell off a cliff. 

 

I’m fighting with myself here because I really don’t want to overdo it with the negativity. After all, we are still on the brink of winning the league. Everything needs to be viewed through that prism and I keep telling myself that. It’s hard though when there seems to be such an air of… I don’t even know, I was going to say negativity but it’s not specifically that, there’s uncertainty in there too which is playing a part in how many fans are feeling. 

 

There’s no buzz, is there? Eleven points clear would normally mean fucking street parties and greeting the coach before games, Kloppo fist pumping after every game and generally we'd just be in a carnival mood and looking forward to every game. There’s none of that though. I’m not just projecting my own feelings here either, I can sense it in the overall vibe in the fanbase. Inside the ground, outside the ground, on the forum, chatting to random reds in day to day life, there’s just no real buzz at all. It’s all very weird. 

 

This is what we’ve waited decades for, and we’re on the brink of doing it but it's all incredibly flat. The travelling Kop tried to get into the spirit of things by belting out "and now you're gonna believe us, we're gonna win the league" when Macca put us ahead in this game, but within no time the players had shit all over the celebratory mood by gifting Fulham three goals inside 15 minutes.

 

I daresay the mood would no doubt be different if we playing well and marching to the title, but we aren’t. We’re just thankful that Arsenal can’t string together any sort of winning run and haven’t been able to all season.

 

Arne Slot has come in and he’s about to deliver the title in his first season. He can legitimately say to the likes of me “what more do you fucking want?” and he’d be right. He’s done everything that could be expected and then some, and me not being thrilled about how we’re doing it and finding a lot of the games (even the wins) a tough watch is not his problem, it’s mine. I feel ungrateful as fuck, but we can't help how we feel. 

 

I can look at the league table and my head will say “this is great, it’s everything we ever wanted” and yet every other fibre of my being is finding the whole thing massively underwhelming and the uncertainty about where we are headed is also casting a big shadow over things. I don’t particularly know why, there are lots of reasons really and now isn’t the time or place for it. 

 

I’d actually written about a dozen paragraphs that I’ve just deleted because it’s so negative and I really don’t want to get into a discussion about it or to have to try and defend my position. I’m sick of hearing myself complaining about stuff when we’re eleven points clear, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think the concerns are legitimate. I just think now isn’t the time to be airing them.

 

Basically, what it comes down to is I think that cup final has massively scarred me and skewed how I’m viewing everything. I’m still fucking fuming about that performance and some of the other stuff around it, but I need to try and let it go for my own sanity.

 

I shouldn’t be as down about everything as I am right now, so yeah I’ve deleted all of those paragraphs and I’m instead going to try to just stick to the Fulham game as much as possible and avoid any wider picture takes for the time being.


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If I was as eloquent with words I would express it exactly as you put it yet again 100%

Salah off

Thought at 1.0 great settle and get 3

Fulham are fkin Kryptonite for us

Sick of Dom chasing around like a cat chasing a light pen

Macca looks fucked after an hour....

Give Fede a fckin go....

 

It's mad, I felt this angry losing away at Watford after 26 wins in 27 games, you can get caught up in the moment, so reflection is key 

Going to be a mental summer for us.

 

BUT 

we feel "weird" at the moment but the fans of Utd, City, Chelsea, Spurs, The bitters, even Arsenal would happily swap places 

We are still better set than the rest of all the other clubs.

For all the excitement at Villa, Newcastle etc, any of their players get a chance to come to us, they are getting their car keys out 

 

Footy PSR is actually working and the spenders are struggling, the conformers are thriving and IF we get the recruitment right, 21 won't be far off.

 

Sadly we have to get off the Klopp Bullet train and rejoin the Slot trans penine express 

This is what we are now.

Title winners with more to prove...

 

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When will we get to read these deleted pages, Dave ?

 

Totally spot on again, worrying time ahead because many players could be gone or not that good, and because we’ve seen Slot doing weird stuff. Never good to see your manager doing weird stuff.

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What you’ve said there Dave is pretty much word for word what I’ve been saying since last years Everton debacle at goodison. The mask slipped on most of those players for me that night and the recent cup final only confirmed it. 
 

They deserve credit for getting us into the position they have to win the league, but I’ve got absolutely zero faith in these getting us over the line convincingly. We will get over the line, but I’m not confident it will be pretty. If you take Salah, Van Dyke and Allison out of the equation there are very few winners in that squad. 
 

And you’re spot on, it sounds entitled and negative bullshit, but you can’t help how you feel, especially when you’ve seen recently what the absolute best looks like. 

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This all sounds like Slot isn't playing my favourite players so I'm going to go on a massive downer on him, despite pissing the league with a squad of players he didn't even choose.

 

This has been a weird season but it's a season where we are 11 points clear with 7 games to go and I expect the title to be virtually done and dusted over the next 3 games. This is an incredible achievement considering he hasn't even really signed a player of his own yet. This is why I've said it's weird because despite being on the verge of winning the title, we still don't know loads about him or the future. 

 

Let's go into the squad as this seems to be the bone of contention. First off, he's the manager and if he doesn't think a player is good enough or can give him what he wants, that's his call whether you like the player or not. Slot has decided, after looking at the players, that he can get the best results by playing Jota as the 9, Dom behind him and Gravenberch as the 6. These would seem to be the 3 positions that most were unsure about when he arrived. He has definitely set upon this formation for this season and that means he doesn't think that Nunez, Elliott or Endo can give him exactly what he wants in those positions, if he did he would have started them more. Nunez is behind Diaz, a winger, when Jota is injured and Jones will come in for a midfielder before Endo and Elliott. If you think Gravenberch needs a rest he will put Macca there, if Dom doesn't play he will put Jones there. The only logical conclusion is that he feels the 3 mentioned can't do what he wants as good as the players who come in, which are Diaz at 9 and Jones at 10. The midfielders have been injury free by and large so Jones is the player he likes next so Elliott is struggling for starts. Endo comes on to see out a game, Elliott comes on if we have to chase a game and Nunez has actually started a number of games and subs on a lot. Chiesa is unfortunate as Diaz and Gakpo share the left, he prefers Nunez before him at 9 and Salah doesn't come off as he's scored or assisted almost 50 times.

 

He's going to win the league, he's done it with another manager's players and he's done it perhaps stumbling over a system as he wanted Zubimendi. If he doesn't think Nunez, Elliott and Endo are better than Diaz and Jones to start, that's his call and the league table backs him up. Until Slot buys his players I'm going to reserve judgement on him. All I know is he had a free hit this season and hit it out of the park with a league title.

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As you point out, the eye or vibe test just says "not great" regardless of what the table says. For a season where we are almost certainly going to win the league it feels a bit like everyone is just waiting to get it out of the way.

 

I could see us playing much better football in general next season and finishing about fourth.

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Good stuff, Dave.  Can I just ask what you mean by "stuff around the cup final"?  Is it just the point you've already mentioned about team selection and not enough changes, or is there something else?  Just wondering.

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1 hour ago, razor said:

Good stuff, Dave.  Can I just ask what you mean by "stuff around the cup final"?  Is it just the point you've already mentioned about team selection and not enough changes, or is there something else?  Just wondering.

 

Just that, and the overall performance and lack of fight. Terrible individual performances from players who keep their place no matter what. That sort of thing, wasn't being cryptic, just didn't want to go over it all again. 

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1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

As you point out, the eye or vibe test just says "not great" regardless of what the table says. For a season where we are almost certainly going to win the league it feels a bit like everyone is just waiting to get it out of the way.

 

I could see us playing much better football in general next season and finishing about fourth.


I think we’ve been quite fortunate in the league, this season.

 

That said, after being robbed in 08/09, 18/19 and 21/22, we were due a bit of luck.

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For me it is all about getting over the line. IF we can do that, this season is a major success no matter how bad we play the last months of the season.

 

Can we trust this team to win 4 of the last 7 matches? Right now I don`t feel confident that we can beat anyone when I see the planless and gutless performances we put up these day, just like the same periode last year. (Possible scenario: WH at home:  draw, Leicester away: win, Spurs at home: draw, Chelsea away: loss. Arsenal at home: loss, Brighton away: loss, Crystal Palace at home: draw.  That puts us on 79 points)

 

Can Arsenal take 18 points from the last 7? IMO they will if they get a boost by us dropping points. They have a nearly injury free squad now.

 

This is not over.

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It‘s impossible to disagree with a word of this Dave; it mirrors my thoughts totally. I was apoplectic when he went for the five forwards option,  leaving Mo on for no apparant reason,Championship manager type desperation tactics. After your last roundup I made two posters laugh by saying Slot may grow into the job. Please God he does: coming from a league with lots less games and only 2 other teams capable of offering a threat is not a good preparation for the Liverpool job. My major concern is the failure to rest players and use all the squad. Gravenberch was so knacked that Red Ron sent him home when he turned up to the Dutch squad the other week; virgil and Mo have hardly missed a game. The treatment of Harvey, Endo and Fede ridiculous, as was destroying Quansah‘s confidence in the first league game and not using him for months. Like you I haven‘t got over the final or the first PSG game, nor the fact that we ran out of gas in the second and offered no threat during extra time. He‘s taken Jurgen‘s team and slowed it down and this was enough to boss the league and Europe up to Christmas. For that Slot deserves massive plaudits, but it’s clear others have sussed how to deal with us esp as a lot of the team are running on fumes; now please lets see some flexibility to get us over the line.

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1 hour ago, Kevin D said:


I think we’ve been quite fortunate in the league, this season.

 

That said, after being robbed in 08/09, 18/19 and 21/22, we were due a bit of luck.

 

Fortunate in some of our games, and fortunate City and Arsenal aren't very good.

 

And, as you allude to, frankly we were due one.

 

I still feel like Slot can't believe we're about to walk away with the title, and that has dictated a lot of his decisions in this calendar year. Probably started the season hoping we'd make top four, having signed fucking no-one, got a million points ahead by December, and thought fuck changing anything.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Fortunate in some of our games, and fortunate City and Arsenal aren't very good.

 

And, as you allude to, frankly we were due one.

 

I still feel like Slot can't believe we're about to walk away with the title, and that has dictated a lot of his decisions in this calendar year. Probably started the season hoping we'd make top four, having signed fucking no-one, got a million points ahead by December, and thought fuck changing anything.

 

 

 

 


Yes, it’s not made for pretty viewing but his decision is about 3 games away from paying off handsomely.

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I was amused to read your critique of Dom as it’s precisely what I criticised Henderson for for years.  Except Henderson couldn’t get around the pitch as well for the last few years.  Doubtless we’ll be told to be quiet as Dom will be able to point to a league winners medal just like Henderson :)

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Not enough rotation throughout the season amongst the squad and we can now see our main players are not performing well. We are fortunate that Arsenal and City have not been great this season (they won’t be getting 90+ points) otherwise we would be chased down. I am concerned about the summer and whether we will retain VVD and Salah and try to strengthen the squad otherwise next season we are going to find it really difficult to try and win the league again. I think this uncertainty is making a lot of us not enjoy the current moment in time when it’s very likely that we will win the league. Finally, Chiesa is a live-wire and he should really be starting every game now till the end of the season  - even Troy Deeney joked on MOTD2 that he has only played 45mins in total this season. 

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The lack of buzz for me is because it feels like journey's end rather than the start of something. The team is held together by duct tape. Kind of like when we were looking likely to win the league under Rodgers, it had a sort of now or never feel because the handful of good players we had were either going to retire of fuck off. As eventually happened with Sterling and Suarez.

 

This side needs major surgery, again, but I have zero faith in the owners coughing up with the money needed to do the job.

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6 hours ago, Judge said:

For me it is all about getting over the line. IF we can do that, this season is a major success no matter how bad we play the last months of the season.

 

Can we trust this team to win 4 of the last 7 matches? Right now I don`t feel confident that we can beat anyone when I see the planless and gutless performances we put up these day, just like the same periode last year. (Possible scenario: WH at home:  draw, Leicester away: win, Spurs at home: draw, Chelsea away: loss. Arsenal at home: loss, Brighton away: loss, Crystal Palace at home: draw.  That puts us on 79 points)

 

Can Arsenal take 18 points from the last 7? IMO they will if they get a boost by us dropping points. They have a nearly injury free squad now.

 

This is not over.

Fuckin hell thats some scenario you've come up with. 

It is over.

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5 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Fortunate in some of our games, and fortunate City and Arsenal aren't very good.

 

And, as you allude to, frankly we were due one.

 

I still feel like Slot can't believe we're about to walk away with the title, and that has dictated a lot of his decisions in this calendar year. Probably started the season hoping we'd make top four, having signed fucking no-one, got a million points ahead by December, and thought fuck changing anything.

 

 

 

 

 

Like the dude who pulls a fit bird way above his level with a chat up line or dance move and then only uses that strategy every time he goes to town.

Fuck changing these pants! 

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4 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

Like the dude who pulls a fit bird way above his level with a chat up line or dance move and then only uses that strategy every time he goes to town.

Fuck changing these pants! 

 

"Where are you going? This worked last year!"

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Much as it goes against the grain, we could do with Arsenal making progress in the Champions League to distract them further. Obviously, I don't want them to win it, but beaten semi-finalists ould be good.

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3 minutes ago, Frank Dacey said:

Much as it goes against the grain, we could do with Arsenal making progress in the Champions League to distract them further. Obviously, I don't want them to win it, but beaten semi-finalists ould be good.

 

Agreed. 

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Not having it. We got used to Man City winning titles year after year with the opposition giving up before the game started. Before that, in the Ferguson years Utd were grinding out results and winning titles. It was 1-0 to the Arsenal while they were champions. 

 

That's how it's done. This Liverpool just lost their first away game in fucking April. Crap performance, bunch of mistakes but shit happens. 26 undefeated is title winning, we are the best team in the League look at the table if you don't agree. 

 

We are not destroying teams because we don't have the aura of champions having won one previously in 30 years unlike those City, United,  Arsenal teams. 

 

It's a semi miraculous season allowing for expectations last summer, it's now squeaky bum time but this team and this manager are taking us all the way to one fucking hell of a party and I don't give a flying fuck how they get us there. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, moin k said:

Not enough rotation throughout the season amongst the squad and we can now see our main players are not performing well. We are fortunate that Arsenal and City have not been great this season (they won’t be getting 90+ points) otherwise we would be chased down. I am concerned about the summer and whether we will retain VVD and Salah and try to strengthen the squad otherwise next season we are going to find it really difficult to try and win the league again. I think this uncertainty is making a lot of us not enjoy the current moment in time when it’s very likely that we will win the league. Finally, Chiesa is a live-wire and he should really be starting every game now till the end of the season  - even Troy Deeney joked on MOTD2 that he has only played 45mins in total this season. 

Teams very rarely get 90 plus points really and two teams doing it was unheard of until us and abu dhabi did it a couple of times.

 

3 has never been done.

 

We have a chance of getting 90 plus - which shows how good we have been and our position has everything to do with what we have done and how good we have been and nothing to do with luck about what others haven't done. 

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1 hour ago, beejay said:

Not having it. We got used to Man City winning titles year after year with the opposition giving up before the game started. Before that, in the Ferguson years Utd were grinding out results and winning titles. It was 1-0 to the Arsenal while they were champions. 

 

That's how it's done. This Liverpool just lost their first away game in fucking April. Crap performance, bunch of mistakes but shit happens. 26 undefeated is title winning, we are the best team in the League look at the table if you don't agree. 

 

We are not destroying teams because we don't have the aura of champions having won one previously in 30 years unlike those City, United,  Arsenal teams. 

 

It's a semi miraculous season allowing for expectations last summer, it's now squeaky bum time but this team and this manager are taking us all the way to one fucking hell of a party and I don't give a flying fuck how they get us there. 

 

 

That manc side under Ferguson won a league with 75 pts for example in a season they got beat 6-3 at Southampton....

 

 

In all those years between 1992 and 2012 they only got more than 90 pts once in a 38 game season and their best over 42 games was 92.

 

Sadly people's minds have been fucked by abu dhabi fc.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

The lack of buzz for me is because it feels like journey's end rather than the start of something. The team is held together by duct tape. Kind of like when we were looking likely to win the league under Rodgers, it had a sort of now or never feel because the handful of good players we had were either going to retire of fuck off. As eventually happened with Sterling and Suarez.

 

This side needs major surgery, again, but I have zero faith in the owners coughing up with the money needed to do the job.

 

This is so true.  Brilliant post.

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