McCoist: Gerrard risking long term prospects by becoming Aston Villa manager

Some truth to that but nothing he did at Rangers(bar something miraculous  in Europe) would have been proof he could step up after Klopp. If he gets Villa into Europe or wins a cup he will have shown something. Got some good players there to work with. Reckon he needs to send Watkins over in a swap for Origi and convince the Villa board than Nabby Keita would solve many issues they have. 

Well Ally McCoist would say that wouldn't he.

I'm of the opposite view to Ally, I think Gerrard going to Villa first and how he fares there enhances any chance of him becoming Liverpool manager.

We've been down the road of having a Liverpool midfield legend coming from being in charge of Rangers with no other managerial experience and it wasn't a pleasant memory  

I think Stevie's got nothing to gain and everything to lose going to Villa, if he fails to massively improve them he will rule himself out of any bigger job forever, if he improves them but doesn't win something and or qualify for the cl, he will always be just another decent English manager. To get a top job he needs to win league titles, Villa won't do that imho.

11 minutes ago, DiddisSillyRun said:

I think Stevie's got nothing to gain and everything to lose going to Villa, if he fails to massively improve them he will rule himself out of any bigger job forever, if he improves them but doesn't win something and or qualify for the cl, he will always be just another decent English manager. To get a top job he needs to win league titles, Villa won't do that imho.

Totally disagree. Racking up meaningless titles in Scotland is less impressive than say getting Villa into Europe or a domestic cup win. It's a great move for him and a brave one too. Even if he fails he will still get plenty of offers afterwards because of who he is. I think he will do well there.

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Totally disagree. Racking up meaningless titles in Scotland is less impressive than say getting Villa into Europe or a domestic cup win. It's a great move for him and a brave one too. Even if he fails he will still get plenty of offers afterwards because of who he is. I think he will do well there.

Pathetic statement 

30 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Pathetic statement 

You just wont accept how meaningless Scottish football has become. It's a harsh fact but it wasnt me that made it so. The PL and expansion of the CL has done for Scottish football.

9 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

You just wont accept how meaningless Scottish football has become. It's a harsh fact but it wasnt me that made it so. The PL and expansion of the CL has done for Scottish football.

It's not meaningless for fans of Scottish clubs, which is a point you keep missing. 

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It's not meaningless for fans of Scottish clubs, which is a point you keep missing. 

 

 

Then you're making a different point, mate. Everyone's passions mean everything to them. No-one's saying Scottish football is meaningless because the fans of those clubs are more or less passionate. It just doesn't mean that immediately transcends into a big deal on a macro level. 

1 minute ago, Chris said:

 

Then you're making a different point, mate. Everyone's passions mean everything to them. No-one's saying Scottish football is meaningless because the fans of those clubs are more or less passionate. It just doesn't mean that immediately transcends into a big deal on a macro level. 

 

 

I'm not making a different point. He's calling it meaningless titles, I'm saying it isn't. 

1 hour ago, DiddisSillyRun said:

I think Stevie's got nothing to gain and everything to lose going to Villa, if he fails to massively improve them he will rule himself out of any bigger job forever, if he improves them but doesn't win something and or qualify for the cl, he will always be just another decent English manager. To get a top job he needs to win league titles, Villa won't do that imho.

By titles you mean the PL or a top league? Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Utd have managers who have not won the PL, Arteta’s has won nothing although he was Fraudiolas apprentice. This will test Gerrard as he will have money to spend and a decent expensively assembled squad already. As long as it doesn’t affect us good luck to him.

1 hour ago, DiddisSillyRun said:

I think Stevie's got nothing to gain and everything to lose going to Villa, if he fails to massively improve them he will rule himself out of any bigger job forever, if he improves them but doesn't win something and or qualify for the cl, he will always be just another decent English manager. To get a top job he needs to win league titles, Villa won't do that imho.

Is an SPL title enough?

I think Villa is a risky but needed middle step in his development, I'd like to see him go abroad after Villa and see how he does there. Staying at Rangers would have been treading water.

Get out of Glasgow quick Steve

Great move for Gerrard. He’s done an absolute brilliant job at Rangers but at the same time he knows he needs to forbid himself in England to be in the reckoning for one of the big jobs here.

Think Villa’s a good move for him personally, big stadium, a club with history and tradition, a very good squad and ambitious owners.

2 minutes ago, LFC 6 Times said:

 

Think Villa’s a good move for him personally, big stadium, a club with history and tradition, a very good squad and ambitious owners.

Awful fans tho'.

Of course it's a risk. Most things in life worth having involve some element of risk.

Truly this statement sums McCoist up perfectly; a gifted striker who was happy to be a big fish in the little pond of Scottish football, never having the bottle to test himself at a higher level, despite possessing all of the required attributes.

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Of course it's a risk. Most things in life worth having involve some element of risk.

 

Truly this statement sums McCoist up perfectly; a gifted striker who was happy to be a big fish in the little pond of Scottish football, never having the bottle to test himself at a higher level, despite possessing all of the required attributes.

He had a spell at Sunderland when he was younger but couldnt hit a barn door even in the then 2nd Division. Returned to Scotland and rangers.

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Of course it's a risk. Most things in life worth having involve some element of risk.

 

Truly this statement sums McCoist up perfectly; a gifted striker who was happy to be a big fish in the little pond of Scottish football, never having the bottle to test himself at a higher level, despite possessing all of the required attributes.

Or he was a rangers fan living out his boyhood dream? You never know, he might have been happy where he was? 

1 minute ago, dockers_strike said:

He had a spell at Sunderland when he was younger but couldnt hit a barn door even in the then 2nd Division. Returned to Scotland and rangers.

Yes, I know he was briefly at Sunderland when he was a teenager. Doesn't really have any bearing on my point, but okay.

6 hours ago, Stickman said:

I'm of the opposite view to Ally, I think Gerrard going to Villa first and how he fares there enhances any chance of him becoming Liverpool manager.

We've been down the road of having a Liverpool midfield legend coming from being in charge of Rangers with no other managerial experience and it wasn't a pleasant memory  

Agreed. The Villa job is almost like the practical element of the recruitment process for coming to us.

27 minutes ago, LFC 6 Times said:

Great move for Gerrard. He’s done an absolute brilliant job at Rangers but at the same time he knows he needs to forbid himself in England to be in the reckoning for one of the big jobs here.

 

Think Villa’s a good move for him personally, big stadium, a club with history and tradition, a very good squad and ambitious owners.

Been talking about this in work, they were a very good side last season and deserved the title but Celtic (Lennon) imploded which helped, plus St Johnstone won more domestically than them last season. Ok a fair run in the Europa but 1 piece of silverware at glasgow r*ngers in 3 and a half years (signing about 60 players and all) is not a 'superb' job for them.  A fair number of their fans wanted him sacked just over 12 months ago. 

I think it'll be a good move for him. 

4 minutes ago, KMD7 said:

I think it'll be a good move for him. 

Win/Win for except Rangers I guess. Especially if he/we have him sight to replace Jurgen whenever he retires. 

McCoist: “Are you trying to tell me Aston Villa are a bigger club than Glasgow Rangers? Of course he should (stay at Rangers).

Is that question even worth the breath of asking? Aston Villa have won 7 league titles, 7 FA Cups, the European Cup in '82, plus the UEFA Super Cup, and in 2001, the Intertoto.

Rangers, for all their domestic success, sit alongside Everton with one European Cup Winners Cup to their name. Although they have also been twice runners-up in the CWC and once in the UEFA Cup. All their domestic titles can only be measured by the quality and depth of the competition for same. That may be good in Scotland, but hold little currency elsewhere.

Staying at Rangers and winning another title means and proves absolute zero in respect of his qualifications and suitability as Liverpool manager in the future. If he does well at Villa, that still won't prove anything, but it would be whole lot better marker than anything he has done at Rangers. If he doesn't do well, in the longer term there, then it would hamper his chances at getting the Anfield job, but he's going to have to show some mettle and succeed in challenging situations to prove he has what it takes to be worthy of the opportunity, and not just taking the easier option all the time. 

McCoist has proved himself to be a good pundit and co-commentator without the whole line of clichéd patter most of the rest come out with. However, he's not only got his Rangers hat on, but the blue tinted glasses, the full kit with a rosette thrown in, with this one.