Carragher: Footballers will think very carefully about speaking out on inclusivity issues after Henderson furore

Well if a footballer decides not to speak out against countries who infringe basic human rights such as who you should be allowed love just in case they want to move there in the future so they can line their pockets, then they should shut the fuck anyway as they are no ally to those groups. 

1 hour ago, JohnnyH said:

Well if a footballer decides not to speak out against countries who infringe basic human rights such as who you should be allowed love just in case they want to move there in the future so they can line their pockets, then they should shut the fuck anyway as they are no ally to those groups. 

So fooballers who say nothing should shut the fuck up , isn’t that what they would be doing?

To be honest I'd favour the silence but they wont be allowed to just say nothing due to the wall to wall football coverage in the media. The difference with Henderson is that he was very vocal and visible with his support and is now being made to look a right twat. From his,or his agent's,perspective I am sure they are banking on this furore quickly dying down and Henderson being off the back pages quickly. Him being out of the country is helpful to himself. The question is 'Will he ever be forgiven on Merseyside?' There is no doubt that very few others will give much of a shit but will Liverpool fans allow it to tarnish his legacy? I'd say that if he'd played for another club it would be quickly forgotten but that is less likely here.

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

To be honest I'd favour the silence but they wont be allowed to just say nothing due to the wall to wall football coverage in the media. The difference with Henderson is that he was very vocal and visible with his support and is now being made to look a right twat. From his,or his agent's,perspective I am sure they are banking on this furore quickly dying down and Henderson being off the back pages quickly. Him being out of the country is helpful to himself. The question is 'Will he ever be forgiven on Merseyside?' There is no doubt that very few others will give much of a shit but will Liverpool fans allow it to tarnish his legacy? I'd say that if he'd played for another club it would be quickly forgotten but that is less likely here.

He’s made his bed so he has to live with that and there’s no doubt he has shot himself in the foot. 

1 hour ago, CapeRed said:

So fooballers who say nothing should shut the fuck up , isn’t that what they would be doing?

Far from it.  Footballers should speak up and then have the courage of their convictions and don’t shit all over their principles at the first sign of a few extra million.  In short, Henderson should have said no. 

Footballers should be allowed to advocate for certain values in society but only if they are 100% commited to what they are standing up for. Otherwise they will fall into the same bracket as Henderson, a complete hypocrite more interested in personal gain.

It's easy for millionaire footballers to want to look like a 'hero' as they are sacrificing nothing personally, only words and maybe a bit of virtue signalling. When it comes down to the nitty gritty (money) this is were their true colours will shine through.

I thought footballers were not allowed make political/ideological statements while playing,  so not sure why an exception was made for lgbtq movement and Ukraine. We saw how Ozil was treated by the Premier league when he spoke out in support of the Uighers.

44 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

Far from it.  Footballers should speak up and then have the courage of their convictions and don’t shit all over their principles at the first sign of a few extra million.  In short, Henderson should have said no. 

Of course he should , will be interested to see if anybody does turn down the money for hr reasons.

30 minutes ago, Planet Origi said:

I thought footballers were not allowed make political/ideological statements while playing,  so not sure why an exception was made for lgbtq movement and Ukraine. We saw how Ozil was treated by the Premier league when he spoke out in support of the Uighers.

Valid point

4 hours ago, TLW said:

 

“They will be told by their advisors to keep their mouth shut in case they move there in future, thus avoiding accusations of hypocrisy.

 

Carra may as well hold a sign that says “Money can buy all values”.

It can only buy the fragile ones, Carra.

4 hours ago, TLW said:

 

“Governing bodies have the power to say countries will not be allowed to host major sporting events unless they meet human rights requirements.

 

 

 

 

So going forward all major sporting events should be held exclusively in New Zealand.

What does he think about his mates Gerrard and Fowler?

Robbie is over there because he heard about a 150 mile long Line.   He'll be hoovering up properties to add to his portfolio.

I think carragher is absolutely spot on here. I understand what @JohnnyH is saying when he says they're no ally if they won't speak out, but the reality is Henderson was seen as an ally and sportswashing has been able to destroy that. I'm sure Henderson meant all those words at the time, but he's shown to put money before those principles and there's going to be lots, if not all players who will think twice in the future. I don't see how this can be anything but a bad thing. The only thing that would salvage it now is if Henderson actually made a statement in support of LGBTQ+ and continued to do so during his time in Saudi. I don't think we will see that though. 

Risky business though.  Losing a hand might have a detrimental effect on his pointing. 

Principles aren’t principles if they can be bought. 
 

Unless you’re a tory. 

Klopp forced Henderson out.

Principles aren't principles if they are subject to change depending on what the current hype is.

His allyship is precisely why they have targeted him. So, in. some senses, it has paid off. 

Credit where credit is due. Henderson has got principles. He believes that everyone should be free to live their sexuality without judgement or persecution.

However, that has to be countered by the opportunity for him to make an insane amount of money. He already has a fortune, but this will be a truly bonkers amount. 
 

His going to Saudi Arabia won’t directly result in anyone in Britain or Europe people being persecuted or punished for being gay. However, if any of his three kids are gay, then they will have to either repress their sexuality or else risk being flogged, imprisoned or deported throughout their time in Saudi Arabia. 
 

To summarise again: Jordan Henderson believes in gay rights, but if one of his kids turns out to be gay he doesn’t mind them being flogge so or locked up because he is being paid a lot of money. A lot. Loads and loads. He could probably buy some new kids if needed too (heterosexual ones, ideally). Because he’s being paid so much money.

tl;dr “£uck LHBQT+ rights”

The whole Qatar World Cup/Saudi stuff is weird as fuck.

"You should be allowed to be openly gay in your country."

"Well, it's our country and our religion. So no."

* pretend fumes.

If we compiled a list of shit other countries do that we don't personally approve of we'd be here all week. I didn't agree with Northern Ireland's old abortion laws, but I still went. It was for the people there to decide if/how they wanted it to change.

22 hours ago, Ron B said:

However, if any of his three kids are gay, then they will have to either repress their sexuality or else risk being flogged, imprisoned or deported throughout their time in Saudi Arabia.

Aren't his children 3, 8 and 9? Hardly likely to be donning nipple clamps and a feather boa at that age, are they.

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

The whole Qatar World Cup/Saudi stuff is weird as fuck.

 

"You should be allowed to be openly gay in your country."

 

"Well, it's our country and our religion. So no."

 

* pretend fumes.

 

If we compiled a list of shit other countries do that we don't personally approve of we'd be here all week. I didn't agree with Northern Ireland's old abortion laws, but I still went. It was for the people there to decide if/how they wanted it to change.

Did you go because you were offered obscene amounts of money and agreed to stand at the front of the 12th July parade?

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

If we compiled a list of shit other countries do that we don't personally approve of we'd be here all week.

You'd never see that sort of thing on this forum.

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

The whole Qatar World Cup/Saudi stuff is weird as fuck.

 

"You should be allowed to be openly gay in your country."

 

"Well, it's our country and our religion. So no."

 

* pretend fumes.

 

If we compiled a list of shit other countries do that we don't personally approve of we'd be here all week. I didn't agree with Northern Ireland's old abortion laws, but I still went. It was for the people there to decide if/how they wanted it to change.

Spot on.

Footballers in general are thick as mince and should just talk about football, and nothing else.