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Will Philippe Coutinho leave this summer?

    If you believe the Spanish press, Philippe Coutinho already has one foot in Catalonia. Liverpool on the other hand, remain insistent that the little Brazilian won't be leaving, irrespective of how much money Barcelona are willing to pay. Usually Barca get what they want but will it be different this time? 

 

It's patently obvious that Barca want Philip Coutinho as they've been drip-feeding bait into the media about him for over a year. Ironically much of that was via Neymar who has now left, but that doesn't change the fact that he is very much on their wish list.
 
In fact the pressure for at least one big signing there is now immense - and that's without taking into account their relative negligence in terms of transfer business since they signed Suarez. 

 

And if it's clear they want him, it's almost as clear he wants to go there because they all do, don't they? Spain's big two being the ultimate destination for South American players is a cliche for a reason. 

 

That said, Coutinho has given no public hints about wanting out now and, while I'm fully aware there's plenty of time for that to change, I don't see him as dummy spitter. He signed a new deal, didn't insist on a clause and is reputedly happy on Merseyside with his family. 

 

However, by far the biggest factor in my view that he will still be here in September is that the owners recognise this is a pivotal moment in their tenure: they've sorted the finances, they've dealt with the stadium issue and they've recruited a world class manager. All that's left now is the real trophies and they won't come without top class players. 

 

At which point every fan, whether cynic or dreamer, will look at the last few windows' spend and question the ambition. However, the serious interest in Virgil van Dijk for a world record fee and the two enormous bids for Naby Keita suggest that they are attempting a step change in their transfer dealings now and both those deals bear all the signs of Klopp's hand. I therefore do not see any of them countenancing a sale of one of our few existing top class players at the same time as that's ultimately self-defeating. 

 

And if all that doesn't clinch it, the biggest factor for me is supporter power: sell Coutinho and the shit will hit the fan - and that's not a factor that can be easily dismissed with these owners who exploited fan power to a certain extent in order to buy the club and who were very much bitten by it over their initial pricing structure for the new main stand. 

 

No, I think they know this season needs to produce a credible title challenge and that selling Coutinho is anathema to that. Beyond this season is another matter of course, but that's an article for another time. I think Philip Coutinho will still be here in September.


Paul Natton

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Philippe Coutinho terrorizing opposition defences alongside Luis Suarez. It’s 2014 all over again! Except this time it’s in Catalonia. 

 

Yep, I think Coutinho will be on his way. Would anyone be surprised by this lack of “loyalty”? As if he was ever loyal to us! If you have five minutes watch this clip of ‘John Aldridge leaving Liverpool’ on Youtube.  
 

 
You’ll see and hear the utter devastation as he speaks to Clive Tyldesley. That just doesn’t happen these days. And it’s not a “foreigner” thing either. McManaman. Owen. Did not the “great” Steven Gerrard flirt ostentatiously with Chelsea just after LIFTING THE EUROPEAN CUP? 

 

The only question regarding Coutinho is “When?” and not “If?”. The three parties who’ll decide this are Barcelona and Coutinho. Oh and LFC. Barcelona will want to replace Neymar for footballing reasons but also to appease their supporters. And if they want someone, they usually get him. Coutinho’s head has been turned and anyway, he’s always had an eye on Barcelona, just like Suarez before him. If he wants to leave, he’ll get his move. LFC? Ha! None of us trust our Board to sign players so why should we trust them to keep our best ones? 

 

But what do they care, the season tickets have been sold, the TV money is bigger than ever and we’ve just got ‘sleeve advertising’. 

 

This is going to come to a head within a week. I wouldn’t be surprised to see movement before the European Cup qualifier next Tuesday. If he starts that game, he’s ours for the season as they won’t want him if he can’t play in the European Cup. If he doesn’t, then prepare for the inevitable. 

 

Should he stay, mercifully, then enjoy his magic this season. Because it will be his last one in L4.
 

John Brennan
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I’d be staggered if Liverpool allowed Phil Coutinho to leave this summer. For one thing, it would be highly embarrassing for Jurgen Klopp given how adamant he has been that he won’t sell.
 
The owners won't go against Klopp’s wishes, so unless Klopp does a huge about face then it’s not going to happen, no matter how much nonsense Barca put in the Spanish press to try and oil the wheels. The fee is largely irrelevant too. We haven't been able to spend the vast sums of cash we already have, what use is another £100m or so? 

 

As I see it, the only thing that might change Klopp’s mind is if Coutinho himself becomes a problem by sulking around the place, not really focussing on his game and letting his form be affected by it. Does he seem the type to do that? Not for me. He’s a nice lad and although I have no doubt that he’d love to go and link up with Messi and Suarez, I think if he has to wait another year for it to happen he’ll go along with that, albeit reluctantly. Otherwise why sign that contract with no escape clause a few months ago? 

 

People point to the fact that FSG sold Suarez as proof that they would do the same with Coutinho, but don’t forget they initially blocked Suarez from moving and forced him to stay another year. Granted, that was 'only' Arsenal chasing him and by the time Barca eventually came knocking they couldn’t do anything about it because they’d agreed a release clause in his new contract. The point stands though: They refused to sell and made him stay for another year, and my belief is they'll do the same with Phil. 

 

I expect Klopp will have spoken with Coutinho and told him he wants him to give us another season to have a real crack at the title, and then come what may he can join Barca next summer, assuming they still want him. And if he has a good season, then why wouldn’t they? Coutinho owes us another year, not just because he signed that contract, but because we've even kept his loser mate Moreno around just to keep him happy.

 

So in summary, yes Coutinho will almost certainly go to Barcelona but no, it won’t happen this summer.
 

Dave Usher
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He will go only if Klopp says so. If it happens above the manager's head he will leave, and that would be disastrous for FSG, so they won't do it. The immediate return on investment will look great, but the damage to the club will dwarf it on the other side. So it won't happen without Klopps say so.

 

Now, if Klopp feels the player is too sulky and it's damaging morale, he might sanction the deal. I'm not suggesting Coutinho is like that, but at the same time I'm not naive, and I would imagine that all modern footballers have it in them, given the right circumstances. I'm concerned about Coutinho's agent, the windfall that Barcelona have just received, as well as the usual reasons why they are a threat to us if they want to cherry pick our best players.

 

If Klopp were to sanction the deal you would have to think that it would only be because we close some very good deals on other players. For example, if we sign VVD, Keita and AOC, he might countenance letting Philippe go. And therein lies the problem. We already have money and we are struggling to spend it!

 

My best guess is Coutinho stays, but only for one more year. Mind you, if Barcelona are willing to pay £120M now, I'd be surprised if we will get that much next time around, due to the special windfall with the Neymar money. Could be £120M now or £80M next time around.

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Good point

 

Also, after I posted it I realised Klopp probably doesn't have a 'price' as money this late in the window is no use to a transfer team that could be trusted to go to the shops for a pint of milk.

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Watching as SSN and they say they've got breaking news about Coutinho coming up

Yesterday, SSN's scrolling bar said "Breaking News: Transfer Centre coming up"

 

They are trailing their own advertised programmes as Breaking News.

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I've just heard Phil Neville confidently state "The deal will happen".

 

I'm now convinced he's staying.

 

(I thought Craig Bellamy's comments were a bit more interesting.  Because Coutinho is clearly not a replacement for Neymar, he thinks it more likely that Barca will buy him next summer as a replacement for Iniesta.)

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I've just heard Phil Neville confidently state "The deal will happen".

 

I'm now convinced he's staying.

 

(I thought Craig Bellamy's comments were a bit more interesting. Because Coutinho is clearly not a replacement for Neymar, he thinks it more likely that Barca will buy him next summer as a replacement for Iniesta.)

Hopefully Bellamy gave that view while biting Phil Neville's face.

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I've just heard Phil Neville confidently state "The deal will happen".

 

I'm now convinced he's staying.

 

(I thought Craig Bellamy's comments were a bit more interesting.  Because Coutinho is clearly not a replacement for Neymar, he thinks it more likely that Barca will buy him next summer as a replacement for Iniesta.)

 

That'd do alright. Gives us time to sign Clint Dempsey.

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I do think this is slightly Ironic!

 

I'm not as down on FSG as others, not a fan, but I disagree with a few things thrown at them. But, this situation is quite ironic. Had they bought VVD, then I think Coutinho may well go if they bid near to £120m - because quite frankly that is good business. 

 

Which is quite funny - because they have fucked up, directly or indirectly and not signed anywhere near enough - they can't sell him, Carragher is right, it would cause a huge furor at the start of the season, that could turn nasty. Despite good 'business' being selling Coutinho for towards £120m they can't - we won't get that money next year, so because of their incompetence in the current window (up to this point), they have to keep him - despite this being a poor 'business' decision. Ironic really. 

 

For the record - I think Klopp is at fault for not signing any more players, but I think FSG are at fault for letting him make that decision - yet again, more weak leadership. 

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I do think this is slightly Ironic!

 

I'm not as down on FSG as others, not a fan, but I disagree with a few things thrown at them. But, this situation is quite ironic. Had they bought VVD, then I think Coutinho may well go if they bid near to £120m - because quite frankly that is good business. 

 

Which is quite funny - because they have fucked up, directly or indirectly and not signed anywhere near enough - they can't sell him, Carragher is right, it would cause a huge furor at the start of the season, that could turn nasty. Despite good 'business' being selling Coutinho for towards £120m they can't - we won't get that money next year, so because of their incompetence in the current window (up to this point), they have to keep him - despite this being a poor 'business' decision. Ironic really. 

 

For the record - I think Klopp is at fault for not signing any more players, but I think FSG are at fault for letting him make that decision - yet again, more weak leadership.

 

Has someone hacked your account?

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Nah I need to explain.

 

I don't think for one minute that Klopp has gone to the 'committee' and said 'I want this player' and they have said no. I don't think for one minute that they have deliberately targeted players that they know won't sign. 

 

But, for some reason Klopp seems to think that other than VVD nobody is an improvement on Lovren, and other than Kieta, no midfielder can give us that extra depth/quality that we need. I don't see us not signing anyone (and I don't mean top class) as being FSG's fault alone, to me that is just as much Klopps decision. 

 

However - considering the focus since day has been on statistics and analysis of those stats - I don't understand how this year they have seeming ignored the stats on our defence and midfielders and allowed Klopp to go with intuition? 

 

Yes he is a coach who likes to improve players, but he has had this defence for almost two years and they still make the same mistakes, at what point do the committee say 'look Jurgen, we've tried that, it hasn't worked we need a bit of new blood, the stats haven't changed'. 

 

Ultimately this weak leadership on the owners part, but, i'm pretty confident that Klopp wasn't given the names of 5 players this year and, just the 5 - the focus on Keita and VVD has been Klopps decision. 

 

I'm not arsed - he is the manager, and my faith is in him, but I disagree with him thinking that other than VVD we can't improve. 

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Has someone hacked your account?

 

Why?

 

Perfectly reasonable post! It is good 'business' (note that I don't think business is necessarily a good reason for doing anything in football). But, they have no choice but to do the opposite to what they want because of their incompetence. 

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You gotta have faith.

 

Actually, I don't have faith in any of them. I wouldn't trust them to repair a flat tyre on a bicycle. "We like the bicycle as it is - two wheels, good. We can work with this bike. Spare inner tubes - there's not many on the market."

 

Ironically I think we'll win a decent trophy this year.

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You gotta have faith.

 

Actually, I don't have faith in any of them. I wouldn't trust them to repair a flat tire on a bicycle. "We like the bicycle as it is - two wheels, good. We can work with this bike. Spare inner tubes - there's not many on the market."

 

Ironically I think we'll win a decent trophy this year.

 

That is a strange analogy - the bike is clearly broke! 

 

Asking whether they could improve their bike and whether or not a BMX would be better than a Grifter, and them saying 'no, I like the Grifter, I can work with this'. Would be better. 

 

Nobody, would look at a flat tyre and think 'I can work with that'. You would think. 

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Why?

 

Perfectly reasonable post! It is good 'business' (note that I don't think business is necessarily a good reason for doing anything in football). But, they have no choice but to do the opposite to what they want because of their incompetence.

 

I agree with every word mate, that's why I thought your account had been hacked.

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You gotta have faith.

 

Actually, I don't have faith in any of them. I wouldn't trust them to repair a flat tyre on a bicycle. "We like the bicycle as it is - two wheels, good. We can work with this bike. Spare inner tubes - there's not many on the market."

 

Ironically I think we'll win a decent trophy this year.

 

 

That is a strange analogy - the bike is clearly broke! 

 

Asking whether they could improve their bike and whether or not a BMX would be better than a Grifter, and them saying 'no, I like the Grifter, I can work with this'. Would be better. 

 

Nobody, would look at a flat tyre and think 'I can work with that'. You would think. 

 

Lads, lads, they're both shit analogies.

 

It's like a pig that's chosen to wear glasses, and the frames are too big, but the lenses are just right.

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I agree with every word mate, that's why I thought your account had been hacked.

 

Haha - sorry!

 

I'm far from a 'supporter' i'm completely ambivalent about them! Some criticism I have agreed with, some I've thought fair, some, just doesn't make sense. 

 

That is all my argument has been! They deserve criticism for being incompetent and driven by stats, but I don't think for one minute they are 'asset stripping us'. 

 

I'm naive like that! 

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Lads, lads, they're both shit analogies.

 

It's like a pig that's chosen to wear glasses, and the frames are too big, but the lenses are just right.

 

But why would a pig wear glass?

 

That seems as daft as a Cow wearing a bow-tie, or a monkey with a dickie, or Rooney with a wig.

 

Why?

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