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    The new season is upon us and the Reds begin where they left off, with a trip to the Britannia. Hopefully the outcome will be different this time, both in terms of the individual fixture and the season as a whole. Having been granted a stay of execution the top four is the goal for Brendan this year, but will he get there? Ten of our writers make their predictions, and we want your vote too...

     


It’s hard not to be drawn into being somewhat optimistic in these moments of anticipation for a new season. The slings and arrows of the misuse of outrageous fortunes have not yet worn me down to the point where I don’t look for more uplifting suggestions for the season to come when I poke through the footballing tea leaves of a summer’s work.

 

I realise this leaves me open to that familiar feeling of a poker player losing a hand that a voice in his head told him he was mad to be chasing in the first place. The problem with constructing a world of wonderful gingerbread cottages is when, in the first match of the season, reality bites and Ryan Shawcross knocks you out whilst Charlie Adam eats the aforementioned house.

 

We’ll score a shedload more goals, the additional dynamism and defensive graft will somewhat stem the bleeding at the other end and we’ll sneak 4th place. Definitely. Ok; possibly.

 

Stu Montagu

@SimianJustice

 


 

I'll cement my reputation as a blurry-eyed optimist by predicting we’ll finish 3rd. Liverpool have bought well, strengthened the defence, can score from a number of positions and have the depth to cope with a busy season. The jury is out on some of our rivals for top 4. United don’t look stronger than last year. Pellegrini will be under immense pressure after last season. I'd expect Arsenal to finish 2nd with Chelsea walking it again, but I'm betting 2014-15 was an aberration and the ‘real’ (2013-14) Liverpool will stand up. We’ll cruise into an automatic Champions League spot.

 

Jeff Goulding

@ShanklyBoys1

 


 

I actually think we'll finish fifth but I can't bring myself to enter a season with such cripplingly mediocre expectations. Therefore, I'll go one better and say fourth.

 

A Champions League berth for Liverpool is achievable if we get a bit of luck and the wheels fall off a couple of the teams above. This would preferably include Manchester United. As it stands I'm doubtful whether we can make up ground on last season's top four. However, if we manage to get off to a good start like we did in 2013/14 confidence will grow and there's a chance we can kick on.

 

The defence remains a major concern for me. We desperately need at least one of the new strikers to hit the ground running. Hopefully we can mitigate the damage at the back and pick up enough points to grab that fourth place spot.

 

Neil Poole

@WeAre_Liverpool

 


 

I really don’t have a clue what to expect this season. Pretty happy that we signed three players with solid premier league pedigree, all 24 or over. Benteke Ings Origi and Firminho on paper offer more goals than Sterling Ballotelli Lambert and Borini, so that should help. 

 

I can still see us leaking goals for fun though, as the Manager, Goalkeeper, Left back, Centre back or Holding midfielders haven’t changed. I don’t think we have improved the squad enough to overtake last seasons top 4, and the Europa League Thursdays nights could be a burden. 

 

So I reckon fifth

 

Simon Ward

@SiWard2505

 


 

In my view we'll finish fifth. I've no doubt we'll significantly improve from the previous debacle, but numerous new players won't all immediately click or even ultimately come good. Throw in the awful early away fixtures, the spending of the incumbent top four and Spurs having finished above us in four out of five seasons, and top four looks tough.

 

Of course, there are flaws above us and Benteke's goals will add ten points assuming he hits even half decent form. However, I think there's too much for us to do with too many potential barriers in our way - the Europa League especially - to get CL qualification. I'd be delighted to be wrong though because that'd be huge for us.

 

That all said, in the unlikely event of Daniel Sturridge quickly returning to peak form and fitness, all bets are off - he's that good.

 

Paul Natton

@OxtonSoulBoy

 


 

I think we've bought very well so far and unlike last summer, there appears to be a sound strategy to what we're trying to do. Have we done enough? Not for me. I still think we're missing a top class centre half and a top class defensive midfielder, but Rodgers isn't going to change his mind on that. He's rightly beefed up our attacking options and he'll live or die by that.

 

If Firmino and Benteke do as they should then I think we have an opportunity to finish in the top 3. I don't buy the Mancs at the moment (although they might yet spend) and I think Arsenal and Man City are still there to be got at. We could finish in the top 4, easily, but we could equally implode with our tough start and finish 6th or 7th.

 

But if that's the case we'll have a new manager. And then anything could happen. I'm going to try being optimistic for once and say we'll finish 4th.

 

Dan Thomas

@TLW1Dan

 


 

We're basically battling with Spurs for 5th/6th right now, and they've bested us more often than not in the last few years. I can't see us cracking the top four because they've all gotten better. You could argue that United are vulnerable as they're light on strikers but the window is still open  and they have a penchant for splashing the cash recently. The other three have improved (Arsenal) or were better than us anyway (City, Chelsea).

 

This is a dark time to be a red, no one seems to have any real confidence in the manager and the team still has issues in the same areas. Maybe Benteke can provide the goals we need but there's still a lack of leadership and questionable defensive issues. Plus we have the burden/increased workload of the Europa League, and Rodgers seems to struggle with two games in a week. I'll go 6th because my optimism meter is running on empty.

 

Julian Richards

@Juleswithnoname

 


 

We’ll be better than last season because we’ll score more goals. We might concede the same or improve a bit, so how well we do depends entirely on how good Benteke is (and to a lesser extent Firmino). If he gets 20-25 goals then we’ll make the top four. If he doesn’t, it will be a real struggle, unless Sturridge sorts himself out.

 

To me it’s a battle between us and both Manc clubs for the 3rd and 4th places. As bad as we were last season look at how close we were to both of them going into the final ten games or so before we lost to Utd and then quit. They aren’t that good, neither are we, so anything can happen. I’ll go 4th but it could just as easily be 3rd or 5th as it’s wide open.

 

Dave Usher

@theliverpoolway

 


 

If we can stay in touch with top four after the first difficult batch of away games then there is no reason we can't go on a run from December onwards and make a good fist of claiming 4th place. Last season our dreadful start left us with too much ground to make up and the good middle third of the season counted for little in the end.

 

Chelsea and Arsenal will be the top two but we could take advantage of possible uncertainty at City with Pellegrini looking insecure and United looking like they may lack a bit of firepower right now (transfer window still being open notwithstanding of course). I will predict a tight 4th placed finish at the expense of City or United as things stand right now but possible/probable signings from those two in the coming weeks will force an opinion change again.

 

John Gallagher

@jrewingL4

 


 

I think we’ll be ok this year, maybe even pretty good. Transfer business has been solid (for once). We’ve added goals, experience and a full back capable of defending. We’ve got a decent team with decent depth. However, I don’t see us making any huge strides forward and that Thursday-Sunday schedule could kill us early on.

 

I don’t think Sterling’s departure will even remotely affect us (especially with Ibe), but Steven Gerrard’s will. It feels like the heart has been ripped out and there’s not one proper leader at the club now, including the manager, and that’s a worry. Fourth is definitely achievable, but we’ll finish fifth.

 

Chris Smith

@ByChrisSmith

 

 


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What's the score with these shiny new polls, Dave? They seem to get a lot more votes than the usual ones. Are you posting them elsewhere too?

 

I voted for fourth in all the polls. I expect that we'll be a shambles in Europe again but this league is shit. Champions League spots are there for the taking.

 

The forum polls can only be voted on by registered forum users. These ones allow guests to vote, so that explains the higher turn out. 

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I don't think Stu has mixed enough metaphors in his prediction.

I am to please brother.

 

It's got Hamlet and a reference to Chadam being a lardarse. What more can you want?

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I actually don't think it has as much to do with us as it has to do with the teams around us.  

 

I think we'll finish with 70 points, plus or minus maybe 3.  Will that be enough for top 4?  Probably not, I think this season even 75 points won't be enough, as the rich get richer and the poor get further behind I think the gap between the top teams and the rest of the league will grow.

 

That said, there are a number of teams in the mix for top 4 that have at least the potential to implode, even if it isn't necessarily super likely.  

 

United, for example, despite spending money like it's going out of style, still employ one of the most divisive and egotistical men in football as their manager.  Probably it will work out well for them and their front line of Depay, Rooney and Pedro will carry them to 3rd.  But, just maybe, if they start poorly, and the media start to go off of van Gaal, and he starts whipping out his balls at press conferences, you could see that going off the rails in a very big hurry.

 

Or Arsenal, who in all likelihood will be in contention in December before slumping badly to where it looks like they might not make the top 4, before finally getting the results they need to secure it in the last month.  Maybe that won't happen this year?  A lengthy layoff for Sanchez, for example, and they might struggle.

 

Or City, where for all the money they've poured in, they don't look any better than they were last year.  Perhaps they'll drop out?

 

If any of those listed finishes below 73 points, we'll have a chance at fourth.  If not, then I don't care if Benteke scores 18 league goals while Firmino proves an absolute revelation next to Coutinho linking attack and midfield, our squad as a whole just isn't good enough for us to think we can get 75-80 points this season.  In all likelihood we'll end up scrapping with Spurs and Southampton for fifth, disgusting as that may sound.

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I think we'll either: 

a) start absolutely appallingly with the team taking time to bed in all the new players, the defence with Lovren and no protection whatsoever from midfield conceding shitloads of goals and be 15th or so in November.  Rodgers will then get sacked, Klopp will come in and we'll be improving but inconsistent in the second half of the season and finish 6th. 

 

2) get a few lucky/good results at the start, to keep us around the top 5 or 6 then we go on a run in the second half of the season to finish 3rd and have a decent run at one of the cups.

 

No in-betweens for me.  We'll definitely be shit in the Europa league though, whatever happens. 

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I think we'll finish 6th or 5th. My main worry is the complete lack of defense and defensive midfield. 

 

Would feel a lot more confident if Can and Sakho were our starting centreback combination. Skrtel is a disaster in a two, he retreats and concedes loads of space. Lovren is the opposite, he pushes up and leaves loads of space in behind. Probably the worst centreback combination we've had. 

 

Benteke will do okay, but he won't get the best out of Coutinho and Firmino. If Sturridge is fit, Benteke wouldn't get into our best side. 

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Fifth if things go well, seventh if they don't.

 

I think Brendan has bought well, so if he is as good a coach as he believes, things should improve.

 

Fortunately my memory of the end of last season, culminating in the Stoke debacle, has faded. But if we are offered more of the same, Charlotte can start leafing through the winter cruise catalogues.

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Fifth if things go well, seventh if they don't.I think Brendan has bought well, so if he is as good a coach as he believes, things should improve.Fortunately my memory of the end of last season, culminating in the Stoke debacle, has faded. But if we are offered more of the same, Charlotte can start leafing through the winter cruise catalogues.

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If we start shite and BR is sacked by November, then we have a chance of top four, once either GM or another take over.

 

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Radical choice for caretaker manager, but he'd command support.

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Let's see how many of those "1st place" voters are willing to put their names to it!

I fucking hate this aiming for fourth place shit. If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing, remember.

 

Before last season everybody pinned their hopes on Sturridge banging in goals for us. This season he’s not even mentioned. I think we look mighty better going forward this season and have great hopes for Benteke and Sturridge.

 

I close my eyes for the fact we have a midfield unable to defend and dream on that we somehow will find a way to shut the door behind us. If that dream comes through we’ll win it.

 

So here it is: First!

 

Attack! Attack! Attacck! And now I’m off to the bookies.

 

PS: Our two first games are going to be very important to us. We’re going to drop some points on our travels early on, so we'll need 6 points to keep us at fighting distance.

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If we get off to a good start over the first few games then I think we could chase a CL spot but I doubt we'd finish above fifth. If we start badly them I reckon we'll struggle and end up contesting the 6th - 8th slots.

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Absolutely massive for our chances of top 4 if de Gea fucks off to Madrid.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9939660/manchester-united-keeper-david-de-gea-out-of-premier-league-opener-against-tottenham

 

I've voted an optimistic 3rd for us anyway, as I expect one of the top 3 to falter if they get deep into the CL and domestic cups. I already thought we'd finish above the Mancs, but with de Gea going, our goalkeeping options suddenly look golden compared to theirs!!! If this costs them the CL place they thought they had in their pocket, I'll laugh very, very hard!

 

A few amusing twists and turns in this one if anyone want a laugh and have little to do on a Friday:

 

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/de-gea-contract-situation.397568/page-245

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Absolutely massive for our chances of top 4 if de Gea fucks off to Madrid.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9939660/manchester-united-keeper-david-de-gea-out-of-premier-league-opener-against-tottenham

 

I've voted an optimistic 3rd for us anyway, as I expect one of the top 3 to falter if they get deep into the CL and domestic cups. I already thought we'd finish above the Mancs, but with de Gea going, our goalkeeping options suddenly look golden compared to theirs!!! If this costs them the CL place they thought they had in their pocket, I'll laugh very, very hard!

 

A few amusing twists and turns in this one if anyone want a laugh and have little to do on a Friday:

 

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/de-gea-contract-situation.397568/page-245

Depends who they're replacing him with. Can't think it'll take much scouting to find one better than ours.

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I think in a cruel twist of fate to arguably our greatest ever player, we'll win the league without him this season.

 

Bittersweet.

Kenny would be made up. Not bittersweet at all

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Iv'e no idea what to expect but it has to be guns blazing otherwise Rodgers is gone, in that sense i'm looking forward to it. We should definitely score more than last year but I think Rodgers would struggle to organise a cup of tea, we are going to have to go  full Keegan and I would love it if it works. It won't 6th.

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Probably 5th but I really think we can push both Manc clubs for 3rd. 

 

Utd weren`t much better last season than they were under Moyes, De Gea was the difference and it looks like he`s on his way out. Van Persie`s gone and Schweinsteiger is gonna flop. He`s injury prone and overweight.

 

City will be a tougher nut to crack but Sterling aside it all seems a bit stale there to me, certainly nothing to fear.

 

As for us surely we can`t be as dreadful as we were last season, 8 pts from the last 33 or something was it? we can`t help but improve on that. 

Benteke alone will probably score more than than all our strikers did combined last season and even if Origi and Ings turn out to be bang average it will still make them better than Lambert and Balotelli. 

Glenn Johnson has gone and also we won`t have the massive distraction of Gerrard`s farewell tour for half a season.

 

If I pretend Dejan Lovren doesn`t exist I can predict a fairly optimistic 3rd.

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