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Rickie Lambert - Are you on board with it?

    The Reds have been linked with all manner of players so far this summer, but no-one seemed to have a clue that Southampton's Scouse striker Rickie Lambert was on Brendan Rodgers' shopping list. A deal for the 32 year old is said to be close, with some reports suggesting he'll have a medical following England's friendly on Friday night. Smart move or underwhelming? Three TLW writers give their verdict...

On the face of it and in the context of our transfer deals of recent windows, the apparently imminent signing of Rickie Lambert from Southampton for a fee variously quoted as between £4m and £9m seems laughably typical of the succession of unsuccessful deals negotiated by the much-criticised transfer committee. A 32 year old who's played his entire career at mid table or worse is hardly the kind of signing to get the pulse racing.

 

And yet. And yet. I've never been one to second guess potential signings before they've shown what they can do in a Red shirt (at least not in the negative; I'm often all in on the premature "He'll be boss for us" shout). Our history is littered with signings that leave you underwhelmed but turn out to be good (Sami Hyypia, Gary Mac and more) or players who're touted as being ace but fall flat rapidly (Morientes, Cheyrou, Diouf and others besides). So I generally lean towards the optimistic, but wait and see camp.

 

In terms of Lambert though, I think he could be a very crafty transfer for a number of reasons. First of all - and most definitely not to be sniffed at - he's a Scouser and a Red. When it's obvious that he will not be first choice, motivation other than playing every week will be important.

 

Another reason I like the thinking behind this deal is that he's used to playing in a team that has many parallels with ours in the way they play. They're a front foot side where there's an expectation that they close down hard from the forward line backwards. Furthermore, he could offer us an element of a Plan B (holding up the ball and/or retaining possession) without having to completely ditch Plan A to do so. A Peter Crouch option if you like - and much like Peter Crouch, he's better than people give him credit for. He's got a good touch and pass on him and his movement is clever.

 

So far, so good - but what about the fee? £9m or even £4m plus add ons still seems excessive for a player of his age and pedigree. However, just maybe this deal bears the first signs of an improved degree of canniness on the part of that committee. We keep hearing that Adam Lallana is going to cost £30m because his previous club are due a 25% slice of any sell on fee. However, maybe we're going heavy on Lambert to appear to go light on Lallana. We get two players we want for a reasonable combined fee that suits Southampton too as they don't have to pass on as much as they thought for a player who wants out anyway.

 

So in conclusion, I'll judge this deal after it's completed and the player has shown what he can do for us, but I think it has the potential to be a very clever piece of business. Let's hope so because we all know that this summer is absolutely vital for us if we're going to go one step further next season and bring back number nineteen.

 

Paul Natton

 


 

I don’t think anyone saw this one coming, but after the initial shock wore off I was more than happy with the idea. I like Rickie Lambert, not only is he a good Red but he’s an impressive footballer. He’s done it the hard way too, spending most of his career in the lower leagues before hitting the big time when Southampton were promoted to the Premier League two years ago.

 

I didn’t expect him to do much in the top flight but he has looked at home from day one and I’ve been impressed any time I’ve seen him play. I remember writing last season that Lambert is basically a modern day John Aldridge, the main difference being he’s playing in an era in which the top sides don’t buy players like him because they can go out and pick up some foreign superstar. When Aldo was picked up by Liverpool to replace Ian Rush there were hardly any foreign players in the league and the top sides would often look to the lower leagues or smaller top flight clubs for players. If Aldo had been playing 25 years later chances are he’d never have got his dream move to Liverpool and that’s how I felt about Lambert.

 

Looks like I was wrong about that, if this one goes through it will be fantastic for Rickie as he had surely given up on any hope he had of pulling on the red shirt and scoring in front of the Kop. He’d bring a lot to the table in my opinion; he’s a fine footballer who creates as many goals as he scores. He’s clever, very unselfish and offers something different. His love the club can't be underplayed either, as there aren't any other players of his ability who would be prepared to be a squad player. He'll do it because it's a dream come true to play for the Reds.

 

It’s perhaps somewhat disrespectful to refer to him as a ‘Plan B’ as he’s much better than that, but put it this way: Against Chelsea we had to send on Iago Aspas to try and get back into the game. Perhaps if we had Lambert to call on we’d have gotten something that day?

 

If this goes through I hope it doesn’t spell the end for Fabio Borini, as with all the games we’ll have next season we may well need four strikers, especially as we have no idea how much the World Cup will take out of Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling. 

 

I also can’t shake the feeling that this deal might be linked to the Lallana one. Southampton don’t want to give Bournemouth 25% of a huge fee, which may explain why we’ve been linked with Dejan Lovren and Nathaniel Clyne in recent weeks too. Maybe I’ve just got a suspicious mind, but modern football is rotten to it’s core and nothing would surprise me.

 

Dave Usher

 


 

Talk about a bolt from the blue. Who saw this coming? I bet Rickie Lambert in his wildest dreams didn’t think that he’d get the chance to play for his boyhood club. I think we can all guess that Brendan got the Southampton season review DVD for his birthday as the club continues to plunder their brightest and best.

 

In a way I feel sorry for Southampton, what we’re seeing here is the worst side of football. They got promoted with a team built upon second chancers and academy graduates, and gained a prominent foothold in the top flight. Now they’re finding that success comes with a very high price. They lost their Chief Executive in something approaching a power struggle, they’ve lost their manager to the revolving door at White Hart Lane and they look like they’re losing the core of their team. Good luck next year, Southampton; thanks for coming.

 

But as for Liverpool, this is a very shrewd signing. The fee has to be right and if it’s around the £4-5million mark then that’s peanuts in today’s market. It seems that Lambert’s availability came up in discussions over Lallana (and possibly Lovren) so perhaps Southampton asked if we were interested in these fine leather jackets too.

 

Lambert’s signing isn’t a marquee signing, it’s very much about squad building. If you work on the assumption that Suarez and Sturridge are going to be the main men, you need people backing them up to provide rest, an alternative and cover for injury. If those two players are Lambert and Borini, then I think that’s a good set of players with a decent range of ability that provides a degree of flexibility for various scenarios.

 

Certainly when you compare Lambert with the player who’s already here (Aspas) then there’s no contest. Aspas was shown to be unable to cope with demands of the league and during the run-in, his only use was keeping a seat warm. Lambert is an immediate upgrade on him and that’s what the goal is during this summer, which is building a squad and team that can push on into the Champions League and still maintain a league challenge. Lambert is used to the more robust nature of the league, he’s proven he can score and make goals at this level and he’s a different type of player to the other strikers.

 

This is a real feel good story and it’s a piece of business that makes plenty of sense. That Lambert absolutely loves the club makes it a little bit sweeter for me. I love seeing players who have that connection with the club in the team. My only worry is that last summer we got the minor signings done early and then we waited… and waited… and waited for the big impact signings to happen, and nothing happened. Rickie Lambert would be a good addition to the squad but it’s the first team that needs upgrading too. This would be a good start to the summer’s activity but let’s hope that we don’t repeat the mistakes of last year and dither on the big signings until it’s too late. Eyes on the prize, transfer committee.

 
Julian Richards

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The transfer window isn't even officially open yet and people are bemoaning us not signing world class players.

 

And, who says we want Lallana and Lovren and that we don't have other targets lined up, as well or instead?

 

The striking thing about the Lambert deal is just how few so called "in the know" journalists knew about it until it was pretty much all but done. Makes you wonder if the papers really have any clue at all about transfer targets.

 

Let's just sit back and see what happens.

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This is a great signing.  Not only does he bring guaranteed goals for virtually no outlay (in today's terms) with minimal risk, it has the added bonus of annoying the hipster fraternity.  Win.  

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Oh, by the way, it reeks of John Aldridge, this signing.

 

I think it'll be a shrewd bit of business, especially if Aspas moves for a similar fee. A decent, proven back up striker, for little or no net outlay.

 

Let's be honest, the front two are pretty much shoe ins for starting places. But a few games last season proved that we needed a reliable back up option or Plan B.

 

To get a top notch player to sit on the bench, we'd have to pay millions in both the fee and wages. And do we really want that kind of player? A mercenary happy to play a limited role, provided he gets his big pay packet every month?

 

Lambert won't be on peanuts, but he won't command the kind of salary that players who have been highlighted as better options would. They're better players, granted, but not the right players for where we are at the moment or where we're looking to go.

 

I'm quite happy with this deal and could see Lambert surprising a few and even challenging for a starting role.

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I just can't get my head around any criticism of this transfer. None of the arguments against it stack up at all. We're spending chump change on a proven Premier League performer, a forward with presence, adept at scoring with head and foot, free kick, long range, penalty box and penalty spot. So what if he's 32 years old? A 35 year old Teddy Sheringham fired United to the title in 2001 and picked up the PFA and FWA Player of the Year Awards for good measure. Rickie Lambert is going to do a great job for us.

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If we sign Lambert then up front we could field up front Sturridge, Suarez and Lambert. Sterling and Coutinho can play there, not to mention Ibe possibly breaking through. That means that Borini and Aspas will be going and the money we get for them will more than cover Lambert's fee and also go to the other areas we need to strengthen; top class full back, centre half, powerhouse midfielder. Get those areas right and the Lambert deal will seem a good one.

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I just can't see your logic here. He's going to cost a lot more money and he's not going to play any more games than Lambert. I'd also make a solid prediction that he'd not have as much of an impact on the team's 14-15 fortunes as Lambert will. You're going to buy a lad to have him not play, stall his progress completely or start pissing off Sturridge. Makes no sense to me. 

 

It's all about next season. This is not a year for potential, it's for locking shit down and being at at least the same level again. Lambert very much helps in that for me. Spending £15m on a wonderkid that isn't going to play doesn't.

Well allow me to retort. The logic is, far from stalling his progress, bring a top prospect in to play FA Cup, League Cup, Sub, and cover for injuries - basically what Lambert will do - but also have the upside of him working with Rodgers in a young and upcoming team full of players who have either just broken through are are just on the verge of it.

 

My initial response was to somebody saying that this transfer was perfect. now, I like Lambert. I think he is good with his feet, good passer, can hold it up, good finisher, not arced about his age and his fee is right. I'm not hating this transfer in the way some are, but for me it's quite a way from perfect. Perfect is about creating a generation of excellent players who can dominate the league and buying a top prospect is in line with that. If you could have got the Aguero that joined Atleti or Lambert, you'd chose Aguero. That's the prospect I consider 'perfect'. Learn from Rodgers and Suarez whilst getting plenty of games but not being a started in the biggest matches, but also come in to be the next big thing. That's my logic. Even if I do like Lambert. Rather than 'perfect', for me it's 'yeah, makes sense at that price'. I think he can play a part, I think Vietto (or another young prospect) could play a massive part for years to come.

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Fuck no am I on board, we are signing an average player to facilitate the lallana deal and the club are happy to do so knowing a lot of lfc fans will not complain because hes a supporter.

 

Noone can convince me this is not the case, he had a better first season so why were we not in for him last summer especially considering there was possibilities we could lose Suarez.

 

If I was concerned about players supporting us I would want Nolan but I don't because hes shit and same goes for lambert.

 

I don't like this at all, if we were going for a 32 year old I would want a top player who has done it for years not a journey man like lambert.

 

Waste of money and an embarrassing deal for the club.

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I rarely agree with Stronts, but he's speaking sense here.

 

Plus, the 2 year deal makes sense too, as come 2016 players will be replaced by robots anyway.

 

Sorry, Dog! Couldn't resist.

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I have a hard time interpreting the signing in its current context. I think that problem will clear up when the transfer window closes, but, just now there are too many complications.

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Fuck no am I on board, we are signing an average player to facilitate the lallana deal and the club are happy to do so knowing a lot of lfc fans will not complain because hes a supporter.

 

Noone can convince me this is not the case, he had a better first season so why were we not in for him last summer especially considering there was possibilities we could lose Suarez.

 

If I was concerned about players supporting us I would want Nolan but I don't because hes shit and same goes for lambert.

 

I don't like this at all, if we were going for a 32 year old I would want a top player who has done it for years not a journey man like lambert.

 

Waste of money and an embarrassing deal for the club.

Nah. Not on board with that either. It certainly isn't an embarrassing deal. Worst case scenario is we get what we pay for, a squad option who brings something to the side for £4m. Actually, the deal only really has the potential to be a good one. I mean, you've got to be pretty fucking shit to be a bad £4m signing, and he's far from shit.

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I have a hard time interpreting the signing in its current context. I think that problem will clear up when the transfer window closes, but, just now there are too many complications.

This deal is very dodgy, every lfc fan knows this and those that say they don't are lieing to themselves.

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I have a hard time interpreting the signing in its current context. I think that problem will clear up when the transfer window closes, but, just now there are too many complications.

Yeah, fair shout. If he's part of a window that seems one or two very high quality players, two high quality players, and a couple of smart buys, then bring it on, let's all have an orgy. If it's Lallana as the one high quality signing, no very high quality signings (talking top tier), and a couple of mid level signings, then put your cocks away gentlemen.

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This deal is very dodgy, every lfc fan knows this and those that say they don't are lieing to themselves.

What in the name of fuckery are you talking about?

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Nah. Not on board with that either. It certainly isn't an embarrassing deal. Worst case scenario is we get what we pay for, a squad option who brings something to the side for £4m. Actually, the deal only really has the potential to be a good one. I mean, you've got to be pretty fucking shit to be a bad £4m signing, and he's far from shit.

One excellent quote Jose said when he first went to Chelsea that doesn't get mentioned enough is when he said a bad signing is a bad signing no matter what the fee, he said something else that made it sound better but that was his main point.

 

Its not only the fee anyway, getting him probably means we wont get another striker so we are missing the chance to possibly get a good striker.

 

I read the paper last night and br was complemented lambert saying he isn't a typical number 9 and scores all sorts.

 

I watched all his goals from last season on youtube last night and he scored one where he went past and player and the rest were 90% headers or pens, anyone who doesn't believe me look yourself.

 

People are saying an option from the bench but when I saw him come on for saints he looked on a different wavelength and negatively affected their performances.

 

I was literally laughing at the english giving him praise saying he should be in the England team after his goal for them, he was dogshit that game and scored a header, I put the praise down to people likeing the story of his career more then his ability.

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I think he's better than you're making out and not quite as good as others are making out. Whilst I sympathise with the 'missed opportunity for another striker' stance, I think you're judging him harshly. Judging him by the standards of Suarez and Sturridge last year, he's not close to that level and I don't think he ever will be, but he's no clogger either.

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What in the name of fuckery are you talking about?

If Rodgers rates lambert so much why didn't he go for him last summer?

 

It will be interesting to see the fees for lambert and lallana if we get them.

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If Rodgers rates lambert so much why didn't he go for him last summer?

 

It will be interesting to see the fees for lambert and lallana if we get them.

You're weird

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If he's dogshit and then scores a goal, I'll take that dogshit. To go for someone like Muriel, we would have to spend 15-20M at least, so I guess we are saving that for a proper forward who can play right, left and centrally. Pedro, Muniain, Alexis, etc. we're all hoping for something like that - is it realistic? Hard to say..

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Well allow me to retort. The logic is, far from stalling his progress, bring a top prospect in to play FA Cup, League Cup, Sub, and cover for injuries - basically what Lambert will do - but also have the upside of him working with Rodgers in a young and upcoming team full of players who have either just broken through are are just on the verge of it.

 

My initial response was to somebody saying that this transfer was perfect. now, I like Lambert. I think he is good with his feet, good passer, can hold it up, good finisher, not arced about his age and his fee is right. I'm not hating this transfer in the way some are, but for me it's quite a way from perfect. Perfect is about creating a generation of excellent players who can dominate the league and buying a top prospect is in line with that. If you could have got the Aguero that joined Atleti or Lambert, you'd chose Aguero. That's the prospect I consider 'perfect'. Learn from Rodgers and Suarez whilst getting plenty of games but not being a started in the biggest matches, but also come in to be the next big thing. That's my logic. Even if I do like Lambert. Rather than 'perfect', for me it's 'yeah, makes sense at that price'. I think he can play a part, I think Vietto (or another young prospect) could play a massive part for years to come.

 

Fair enough but you're presumably allocating a fair amount of money to this lad and thinking that a player of that quality is going to be happy coming here and getting maybe 5 starts a season if he's lucky.

 

I see the number one objective next season as cutting the rope beneath us in the Champions League and I see spending a decent chunk on potential greatness as a poorer choice than spending £4m for tried, tested and ready to go from game one.  If Suarez and Sturridge bang into each other on the first day of the season Lambert is going to do a far superior job than the hot prospect.

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Why only five starts? He's at the same level of potential as Sterling, can rotate in and out in several positions. Could be a different player even.

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