Jump to content
tlw content
tlw content

Rickie Lambert - Are you on board with it?

    The Reds have been linked with all manner of players so far this summer, but no-one seemed to have a clue that Southampton's Scouse striker Rickie Lambert was on Brendan Rodgers' shopping list. A deal for the 32 year old is said to be close, with some reports suggesting he'll have a medical following England's friendly on Friday night. Smart move or underwhelming? Three TLW writers give their verdict...

On the face of it and in the context of our transfer deals of recent windows, the apparently imminent signing of Rickie Lambert from Southampton for a fee variously quoted as between £4m and £9m seems laughably typical of the succession of unsuccessful deals negotiated by the much-criticised transfer committee. A 32 year old who's played his entire career at mid table or worse is hardly the kind of signing to get the pulse racing.

 

And yet. And yet. I've never been one to second guess potential signings before they've shown what they can do in a Red shirt (at least not in the negative; I'm often all in on the premature "He'll be boss for us" shout). Our history is littered with signings that leave you underwhelmed but turn out to be good (Sami Hyypia, Gary Mac and more) or players who're touted as being ace but fall flat rapidly (Morientes, Cheyrou, Diouf and others besides). So I generally lean towards the optimistic, but wait and see camp.

 

In terms of Lambert though, I think he could be a very crafty transfer for a number of reasons. First of all - and most definitely not to be sniffed at - he's a Scouser and a Red. When it's obvious that he will not be first choice, motivation other than playing every week will be important.

 

Another reason I like the thinking behind this deal is that he's used to playing in a team that has many parallels with ours in the way they play. They're a front foot side where there's an expectation that they close down hard from the forward line backwards. Furthermore, he could offer us an element of a Plan B (holding up the ball and/or retaining possession) without having to completely ditch Plan A to do so. A Peter Crouch option if you like - and much like Peter Crouch, he's better than people give him credit for. He's got a good touch and pass on him and his movement is clever.

 

So far, so good - but what about the fee? £9m or even £4m plus add ons still seems excessive for a player of his age and pedigree. However, just maybe this deal bears the first signs of an improved degree of canniness on the part of that committee. We keep hearing that Adam Lallana is going to cost £30m because his previous club are due a 25% slice of any sell on fee. However, maybe we're going heavy on Lambert to appear to go light on Lallana. We get two players we want for a reasonable combined fee that suits Southampton too as they don't have to pass on as much as they thought for a player who wants out anyway.

 

So in conclusion, I'll judge this deal after it's completed and the player has shown what he can do for us, but I think it has the potential to be a very clever piece of business. Let's hope so because we all know that this summer is absolutely vital for us if we're going to go one step further next season and bring back number nineteen.

 

Paul Natton

 


 

I don’t think anyone saw this one coming, but after the initial shock wore off I was more than happy with the idea. I like Rickie Lambert, not only is he a good Red but he’s an impressive footballer. He’s done it the hard way too, spending most of his career in the lower leagues before hitting the big time when Southampton were promoted to the Premier League two years ago.

 

I didn’t expect him to do much in the top flight but he has looked at home from day one and I’ve been impressed any time I’ve seen him play. I remember writing last season that Lambert is basically a modern day John Aldridge, the main difference being he’s playing in an era in which the top sides don’t buy players like him because they can go out and pick up some foreign superstar. When Aldo was picked up by Liverpool to replace Ian Rush there were hardly any foreign players in the league and the top sides would often look to the lower leagues or smaller top flight clubs for players. If Aldo had been playing 25 years later chances are he’d never have got his dream move to Liverpool and that’s how I felt about Lambert.

 

Looks like I was wrong about that, if this one goes through it will be fantastic for Rickie as he had surely given up on any hope he had of pulling on the red shirt and scoring in front of the Kop. He’d bring a lot to the table in my opinion; he’s a fine footballer who creates as many goals as he scores. He’s clever, very unselfish and offers something different. His love the club can't be underplayed either, as there aren't any other players of his ability who would be prepared to be a squad player. He'll do it because it's a dream come true to play for the Reds.

 

It’s perhaps somewhat disrespectful to refer to him as a ‘Plan B’ as he’s much better than that, but put it this way: Against Chelsea we had to send on Iago Aspas to try and get back into the game. Perhaps if we had Lambert to call on we’d have gotten something that day?

 

If this goes through I hope it doesn’t spell the end for Fabio Borini, as with all the games we’ll have next season we may well need four strikers, especially as we have no idea how much the World Cup will take out of Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling. 

 

I also can’t shake the feeling that this deal might be linked to the Lallana one. Southampton don’t want to give Bournemouth 25% of a huge fee, which may explain why we’ve been linked with Dejan Lovren and Nathaniel Clyne in recent weeks too. Maybe I’ve just got a suspicious mind, but modern football is rotten to it’s core and nothing would surprise me.

 

Dave Usher

 


 

Talk about a bolt from the blue. Who saw this coming? I bet Rickie Lambert in his wildest dreams didn’t think that he’d get the chance to play for his boyhood club. I think we can all guess that Brendan got the Southampton season review DVD for his birthday as the club continues to plunder their brightest and best.

 

In a way I feel sorry for Southampton, what we’re seeing here is the worst side of football. They got promoted with a team built upon second chancers and academy graduates, and gained a prominent foothold in the top flight. Now they’re finding that success comes with a very high price. They lost their Chief Executive in something approaching a power struggle, they’ve lost their manager to the revolving door at White Hart Lane and they look like they’re losing the core of their team. Good luck next year, Southampton; thanks for coming.

 

But as for Liverpool, this is a very shrewd signing. The fee has to be right and if it’s around the £4-5million mark then that’s peanuts in today’s market. It seems that Lambert’s availability came up in discussions over Lallana (and possibly Lovren) so perhaps Southampton asked if we were interested in these fine leather jackets too.

 

Lambert’s signing isn’t a marquee signing, it’s very much about squad building. If you work on the assumption that Suarez and Sturridge are going to be the main men, you need people backing them up to provide rest, an alternative and cover for injury. If those two players are Lambert and Borini, then I think that’s a good set of players with a decent range of ability that provides a degree of flexibility for various scenarios.

 

Certainly when you compare Lambert with the player who’s already here (Aspas) then there’s no contest. Aspas was shown to be unable to cope with demands of the league and during the run-in, his only use was keeping a seat warm. Lambert is an immediate upgrade on him and that’s what the goal is during this summer, which is building a squad and team that can push on into the Champions League and still maintain a league challenge. Lambert is used to the more robust nature of the league, he’s proven he can score and make goals at this level and he’s a different type of player to the other strikers.

 

This is a real feel good story and it’s a piece of business that makes plenty of sense. That Lambert absolutely loves the club makes it a little bit sweeter for me. I love seeing players who have that connection with the club in the team. My only worry is that last summer we got the minor signings done early and then we waited… and waited… and waited for the big impact signings to happen, and nothing happened. Rickie Lambert would be a good addition to the squad but it’s the first team that needs upgrading too. This would be a good start to the summer’s activity but let’s hope that we don’t repeat the mistakes of last year and dither on the big signings until it’s too late. Eyes on the prize, transfer committee.

 
Julian Richards

User Feedback

Recommended Comments



Guest Numero Veinticinco

Posted

I've never seen Vietto but would he have had over 20 total goals and assists last year playing for Southampton?

I've no idea, mate.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

For the fee you can't go wrong, what does 4 million buy you striker wise between two premier league clubs?

 

Anichebe - 6 million, Long - 7 million, Jelavic - 8.5 million, Kenwyne Jones - 8 million, Danny Graham - 5 million, Fletcher - 14 million, Crouch - 12 million.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Numero Veinticinco

Posted

But he's pretty swish though, right?

 

I mean, I hear a lot of people talking about him

Vietto? Yeah, he was pretty good last season. Had a bit much on the ol' plate to watch much South American football for a while. What he is though is young and quick and skillful and has buckets of potential. I think he's now at the stages where you look back in 12-24 months time and say 'we missed our chance, we should have got him 12 or 24 months ago'.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think it's particularly difficult to keep top class strikers on the bench, not matter who you are.

 

You MIGHT be able to persuade some to sit there for a whopping salary and some notion of 'rotation' (a la City) but it's still a bit of a nightmare keeping them happy.

 

Nobody's going to shift Suarez (barring injury / suspension), so that's leaves Sturridge + 1 (maybe 2) fighting over that second place (if you even intend to play two up front most of the time).

 

Yes, it looks a slightly underwhelming signing, but it might be a fairly shrewd one. Teddy Sheringham was deemed an underwhelming signing for United, but he went on to surprise them all.

 

It makes SOME sense. He's relatively cheap, he's from the area, he's not going to be expecting to billy bigtime upfront, but when he does get a chance to play, he's going to want to go out with a bang.

 

Whilst I don't rate him anywhere near the level of Kevin Phillips, I think he could have many similar attributes. He knows where the goal is, when push comes to shove and he'll give some welcome cover / relief if ever Rogers needs to rest Suarez or Sturridge.

 

Can't see many negatives.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My initial reaction was "Rickie fucking Lambert" but after reading through some posts and opinions & having a think about it i've changed my mind.

 

I'm well on board with this a player for a decent fee who will give his all either as a sub or to cover for injured players. 

 

Also i didn't realise that his Goal & Assist ratio was so high which is even sweeter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Vietto? Yeah, he was pretty good last season. Had a bit much on the ol' plate to watch much South American football for a while. What he is though is young and quick and skillful and has buckets of potential. I think he's now at the stages where you look back in 12-24 months time and say 'we missed our chance, we should have got him 12 or 24 months ago'.

 

Never heard of the guy but paying decent money that would probably eat into our budget for a young forward who might not fit in is risky and something we've been bitten with in the last year or so.

 

The thing with Lambert is he's costing nothing in today's market and even if he only gets 7 or 8 goals then he'll be worth it. If he doesnt, we wont have lost much and he's on low enough wages. It makes so much sense.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Slim(fast)Shady

Posted

bit steep at £4m for a 34 year old...

 

Reminds me of a David Speedie signing back in the day...

 

Or more recently Charlie Adam for some reason (although in a different position)

 

But in Brendan we trust....so i'm in!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

bit steep at £4m for a 34 year old...

 

Reminds me of a David Speedie signing back in the day...

 

Or more recently Charlie Adam for some reason (although in a different position)

 

But in Brendan we trust....so i'm in!

 

He's 32.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Slim(fast)Shady

Posted

aye i stand corrected....thought it was a bit old...! it wa the 4 bit that had me confused!

 

but yeah....not bad business though by any means

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It depends. If we (again) fuck up more important deals while haggling over a couple of million we spent on this one it's a very bad deal.

 

If it's a bonus in addition to the first team signings we need, then it's fine by me as Lambert offers something else than our other attackers. As well as replacing a couple of completely useless ones.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Vietto? Yeah, he was pretty good last season. Had a bit much on the ol' plate to watch much South American football for a while. What he is though is young and quick and skillful and has buckets of potential. I think he's now at the stages where you look back in 12-24 months time and say 'we missed our chance, we should have got him 12 or 24 months ago'.

You think we should've got everyone 12-24 months ago. Usually when they were 12...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Numero Veinticinco

Posted

You think we should've got everyone 12-24 months ago.

I don't actually, I want at the time we should be getting them and I say so at the time not a year or two too late. I glossed over the last snarky comment following your misreading of something I said about getting Can, but I don't really see what your issue is. I don't think there's anything wrong with a bit of foresight. I didn't want us to sign players because I was the one that said it, just that I thought, considering we're interested in him now, that we should have signed them when I said it two years ago. Why? Because Can wouldn't have been 12m.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A Rodgers signing all the way, and I'm happy with that. Stick the money ball up your arse, let the manager have last say on transfers.

 

Rodgers has spoke about a players mental attitude being a big factor in the players he wants at Liverpool. Remember him wanting players who run through brick walls, playing through injury, good attitude etc. His first signing Allen played through a shoulder injury, Lucas said he asked him about Courtinio as a person as he knew all about him as a player, I'd be amazed if Brendan hasn't had positive feedback from our England lads over Lambert and Lallanna.

 

Its a massive yes from me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A Rodgers signing all the way, and I'm happy with that. Stick the money ball up your arse, let the manager have last say on transfers.

 

Rodgers has spoke about a players mental attitude being a big factor in the players he wants at Liverpool. Remember him wanting players who run through brick walls, playing through injury, good attitude etc. His first signing Allen played through a shoulder injury, Lucas said he asked him about Courtinio as a person as he knew all about him as a player, I'd be amazed if Brendan hasn't had positive feedback from our England lads over Lambert and Lallanna.

 

Its a massive yes from me.

 

Moneyball all the way - best stat value in the history of transfers.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

All you nobs saying Chelsea have this bench and City can bring on this guy. Fair enough but you know fuck all about football and you know even less about elite performance.

 

Do you think Aguero gives a fuck about City. He cares about his wages and medals but not City. Ask Yaya.

I don't want them people anywhere near our club, that's what makes us different. (Fuck I sound like an Evertonian)

 

Ricky Lambert, premier league goalscorer, International, 4m where is the problem.

Now its up to him to force his way into the team.

When we signed Molby I was watching him play against Marine in the Liverpool Trophy for 3 months before he played a match for the first team.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

People can't use city and Chelsea's wealth as an excuse why we have to fish around in the bargain basement but then be alright with 20 and 30 million moves for the likes of Lallana.

 

You very much can mate. Especially when it's actually their £70m extra in wages every season that allows them to have deep quality on the bench, and not a very sensible £20m for one of your leading targets. 

 

We can't get a Sagna to come and sit on the bench and pay him £120k a week. They can. 

 

We can't sign an amazing third choice striker on the same sort of money and then not have him play any games because the two we have are better than him. 

 

You not rating Lallana doesn't change the fact that spending £20m on a first team player is not excess.

 

Vietto would have been perfect, Lambert is good value.

 

I just can't see your logic here. He's going to cost a lot more money and he's not going to play any more games than Lambert. I'd also make a solid prediction that he'd not have as much of an impact on the team's 14-15 fortunes as Lambert will. You're going to buy a lad to have him not play, stall his progress completely or start pissing off Sturridge. Makes no sense to me. 

 

It's all about next season. This is not a year for potential, it's for locking shit down and being at at least the same level again. Lambert very much helps in that for me. Spending £15m on a wonderkid that isn't going to play doesn't.

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites




Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Add a comment...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...