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"If Victor Valdes joins, will he be number one?"

    Liverpool's summer long search for an upgrade on back keeper Brad Jones took an unexpected twist recently when former Barcelona number one Victor Valdes emerged as a target. Reports suggest a deal has been struck with the much decorated Spaniard, and will be finalised once he has proved his fitness following a serious knee injury. The question is, will Valdes be coming to provide back up/competition or to replace Simon Mignolet? Three of our writers discuss...


Firstly, the lack of quality competition for our number one goalkeeper is something I have been banging my drum about for around five years, so if this comes to fruition I will be happy that we have finally managed to sort that problem out.

 

But if we consider whether or not he will walk straight into the first team or not, I think we have to see how he has recovered from his injury. Valdes’ ACL blew out and it was a bad one. He was in no contact with any player; it was the way his knee bent as his studs caught the turf collecting a high ball. I’ve watched it a couple of times before writing this and it isn’t pleasant viewing. It isn’t just about fitness – how is his confidence? Injuries like this are not easy to recover from.

 

Everything I’ve ever read about Victor Valdes suggests he is a hard working and dedicated winner and you have only to look at his medal collection to see that is absolutely the case. He’s come a long way from the Victor Valdes of the early/mid 2000s who always seemed to be making a string of errors. I see a lot of Spanish football and as he has grown up and come of age, those errors have appeared less and less.

 

He isn’t perfect and he will make errors similar to Mignolet – he will unexpectedly and needlessly fumble a ball under very little pressure and he isn’t the most commanding goalkeeper in the world when it comes to crosses.

 

But what he would definitely bring to our game is control of his penalty area and first class distribution. Barcelona’s game has been all about retaining possession for the last decade and Valdes has played over 500 games for them. He will be ideal for the calmness and composure we need when we’re being pressed in and around our penalty box. He will distribute the ball effectively and cleverly and without panicking the entire crowd.

 

He is very commanding of his box and it will be like having the old Reina back to that effect. He is quick off his line and is always on the front foot, looking to take control and to collect the ball. That to me is one of the big things which separates top goalkeepers from very good ones.

 

I’m pleased to see that we appear to have stolen a march on the rest of Europe on Valdes. I thought there would be a huge queue of clubs after him but it looks like we’ve got there first. He can probably make more money elsewhere but I think Valdes is looking for a new challenge. That was why he tearfully decided to leave Barcelona – another challenge.

 

Displacing Mignolet is going to be one of those. The Belgian is anything but a bad goalkeeper, and it really annoys me to read/see people saying that he is. He’s everything I said he was when we signed him last summer – he makes great saves but the rest of his game needs work. The arrival of Valdes can only do one of two things. Kick him on and make sure he stays number one, or see him be replaced by Valdes.

 

Personally I think Mignolet is in a spot of bother because Valdes is a leader, supposedly a massive warrior and a commanding presence. We don’t have enough of that in our back four and Mignolet isn’t going to become vocal overnight.

 

This really is win/win for the club. Valdes is ridiculously experienced and is still only 32. He might not come straight into the team and he is going to have to severely prove his fitness, but Valdes is going to have designs on that number one spot and that is something that I find very exciting. It’s a shakeup we have needed for a long time and we will reap the rewards of it. 

 

Dan Thomas

 


 

Well this is interesting; once again Liverpool are not messing about when they have a gap in the squad. They’ve identified the problem, they’ve found a solution and they’re away. If I’m Mignolet then I might be a little worried by this potential Valdes signing. I’d love to know what our current number one is thinking about it all but I’d also like to know what the club has said to Valdes and on what terms he’ll be arriving here.

 

The key to this question is what does the club envision with Valdes arriving? Does he want to sit on the bench and count his money? Or does he think he can wrestle the starting spot from Mignolet? Perhaps the club see this situation as a potential scenario where they can platoon them in goal? Certainly if it’s the latter then that’ll never work out, chopping and changing goalkeepers puts everyone on edge. I just can’t see Valdes coming to sit on the bench though, he’s a good goalkeeper who was playing for a successful club side, no way would he have left all that to do nothing.

 

Mignolet might feel aggrieved that he’s being placed in this position but ultimately competition is the best thing for the squad. Now Mignolet might thrive under the pressure or wilt like a poisoned flower. It’s not for all players and I’m not exactly sure what sort of player Mignolet actually is when he’s under pressure for his squad place as the only ‘competition’ has been Brad Jones. He doesn’t seem the most assertive of players (his lack of command in the area emphasises that) but I’m not sure if he will fail when under pressure for places. I genuinely don’t know how he’ll react but my instinct is that he’ll rise to the challenge.

 

It all depends if the club set parameters with both players, if they tell them that Valdes is the no.2 (something I can’t imagine he has agreed too) then that might simultaneously relax Mignolet not to be edgy in games and give him the confidence to produce a string of performances that answers any questions that currently hang over him.

 

I like Valdes although I’ve never thought he was a top echelon ‘keeper but he’s not chopped liver. The dominant Barcelona teams of the last 7 years have been able to get away without actual centre backs since they held on to the ball so well that the opposition could never really pepper their goal. That doesn’t mean that Valdes hasn’t been good when called upon, it’s just I never placed him up there with very best.

 

I suppose the real question is do I think Valdes is better than Mignolet? The answer is I probably do, yes. So if Liverpool are signing a player better than the man occupying the shirt, then I suppose you have to start them. However you look at it Mignolet has now got genuine competition for the first time since he arrived here, what happens next is up to him.

 

Julian Richards

 


 

There are two ways of looking at this potential/probable signing: firstly, it's very harsh to put a very good and indeed improving young keeper like Mignolet under the sort of pressure that stems from one of the most decorated goal keepers in world football coming in to sniff around his first team slot.

 

However, the other is to say that we are a club in the ascendancy and we cannot afford to stand still; Mignolet has been good but not great and why should he be any different to any other player in our rapidly improving squad? They have to face significant competition for their places every week, so why not him.

 

To be honest, I think he's a great shot-stopper whose game nevertheless needs a high degree of re-tuning in order to fully complement the way we play. However, even if I was more effusive about him than that, Valdes would still be a no-brainer of a signing. Assuming his fitness is proven, how could anyone deny he'd be a hugely positive piece of recruitment?

 

We are talking about a man who has won the lot here. His medal collection is incredible, but even if you discount the international medals on the basis that he didn't play, you can't ignore his club haul. Valdes is a winner, plain and simple and you can never have too many of those in a dressing room. Furthermore he's a big character and a leader used to holding his own in a team full of some of the greatest players in history. Again, how can that not be of benefit to us?

 

That all said, it's when you look at his game that the arguments in favour of his signature become compelling. Valdes is made for the way we play: a genuine "sweeper keeper" who's great with his feet and totally unintimidated about being exposed by what most would regard as a recklessly high back line. Furthermore, he's highly vocal and a great shot stopper too.

 

In short, this is beyond doubt a nailed on "must sign" deal (as long as his fitness is assured). And I don't think he'd be coming in as number two either. At 32 years of age, he's just getting into his peak years as a goal keeper and, harsh though it sounds, I'd put him straight into the team at Mignolet's expense. This could be a transformational signing.

 

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I think it's such a lazy thing to say that he had nothing to do at Barce. As if keeping goal for one of the greatest sides in history was some easy task. Any keeper who has 30 shots to save during a match will look good in highlights and montages like Mig at Sunderland or Marshall at Cardiff last season. It takes a top keeper to be able to do it on the odd occasion their goal is attacked and be able to keep focus for the duration.

 

It's why keepers from lower down the table don't usually get the number one spot at a champions league team, they have the mechanics but not the character. Mignolet's character is about to be tested to the limit and if he doesn't develop now then he's fucked.

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Ok it has dawned on me now. As we made such a big deal about Reina and his wages and  being aging we have to rebrainwash the masses. As we now may want an aging keeper who is good with his feet on big wages. See that reverse gear go in for a lot of fans now.

Are you thick or something?

 

The problem with Reina wasn't that he was on big wages and aging.  It was that he was on big wages and not playing well.  Valdes has at least 4-5 more years at the top of his game if he comes back fit from this injury, and he is miles better than Mignolet (who is himself miles better than Reina's last 2 seasons).

 

Can't believe the amount of people on here who think that Valdes is coming here to "compete with Mignolet."  If he's fit, there's no competition.  He was in brilliant form for Barca before his injury, there were respected journos saying he'd been more important to them than Messi that season.  If his knee is ready to go then he comes in and is our number one from day one, no questions asked.  We would have won the league if he had been here last season (actually, we would have won the league if Mignolet had just stopped that Negredo shot in the City away game that he really should have kept out).

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This will make you a little bit sad, but this is what I'm talking about.  I know you can't go back and redo just one moment of the season (and it's not all Simon's fault either), but it's heartbreaking to think that if Mignolet gets a stronger wrist to this we would have gotten to see Gerrard lifting number 19 last season:

 

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I'd rather Cech for 10 million

 

Valdes is ok but as has been said, he didn't have much to do in that barca side! Not an upgrade on mignonet, defo an upgrade on jones though

More chance of kelly brook fingering your hoop tomorrow morning than chelsea selling us cech for 10m.

 

Valdes is deffo a better keeper than Mignolet as well. Really not understanding people saying otherwise. He's been excellent for Barca for the last 3/4 years.

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More chance of kelly brook fingering your hoop tomorrow morning than chelsea selling us cech for 10m.

 

Valdes is deffo a better keeper than Mignolet as well. Really not understanding people saying otherwise. He's been excellent for Barca for the last 3/4 years.

 

Agree. On both points. Don't know why people keep mentioning Cech, they will not sell anyone else to us. They wouldn't even sell fucking Bertrand to us.

 

The perceived wisdom from a lot of people on Valdes is that he looked better than what he is because he played in the one of the greatest teams of all time. I think the opposite is true. He never got the credit he deserved because the rest of the team was so good. He was excellent for them and I'd be made up with him here.

 

We can't lose signing him. Either Mignolet ups his game considerably to keep him on the bench or we get a top class keeper coming in to replace him.

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This will make you a little bit sad, but this is what I'm talking about. I know you can't go back and redo just one moment of the season (and it's not all Simon's fault either), but it's heartbreaking to think that if Mignolet gets a stronger wrist to this we would have gotten to see Gerrard lifting number 19 last season:

 

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Oh, no. You absolutely cannot use this incident and blame Mignolet for us not winning the title.

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Are you thick or something?

 

The problem with Reina wasn't that he was on big wages and aging.  It was that he was on big wages and not playing well.  Valdes has at least 4-5 more years at the top of his game if he comes back fit from this injury, and he is miles better than Mignolet (who is himself miles better than Reina's last 2 seasons).

 

Can't believe the amount of people on here who think that Valdes is coming here to "compete with Mignolet."  If he's fit, there's no competition.  He was in brilliant form for Barca before his injury, there were respected journos saying he'd been more important to them than Messi that season.  If his knee is ready to go then he comes in and is our number one from day one, no questions asked.  We would have won the league if he had been here last season (actually, we would have won the league if Mignolet had just stopped that Negredo shot in the City away game that he really should have kept out).

 

So a man has a different view and you suggest he is thick. Deary me no wonder Frode, Rashid and Bex do not post here anymore. I have heard many people suggesting Mignolet is the future and boasting about his lower wage and age. Highlighting Mignolets weakness as being irrelevant (he stops the ball you know) but now people are salivating at what Valdes does, that kicking and sweeping stuff. The man who is a carbon copy of Reina except Reina is much more dominating on crosses.  It's hilarious we get rid of Reina but allegedly want his clone but the clone has busted his ACL.You could not make this shit up.

 

But I will be made up if we get Valdes quality keeper and the back-line could speak 60% Spanish so that should make it easier to stop goals going in.

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So a man has a different view and you suggest he is thick. Deary me no wonder Frode, Rashid and Bex do not post here anymore. I have heard many people suggesting Mignolet is the future and boasting about his lower wage and age. Highlighting Mignolets weakness as being irrelevant (he stops the ball you know) but now people are salivating at what Valdes does, that kicking and sweeping stuff. The man who is a carbon copy of Reina except Reina is much more dominating on crosses.  It's hilarious we get rid of Reina but allegedly want his clone but the clone has busted his ACL.You could not make this shit up.

 

But I will be made up if we get Valdes quality keeper and the back-line could speak 60% Spanish so that should make it easier to stop goals going in.

 

Same time next week?  And the one after?  And the one after that? Forever?  While calling everyone else odd/disturbed/etc?

 

I'm in, I know everyone else will be.

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Same time next week?  And the one after?  And the one after that? Forever?  While calling everyone else odd/disturbed/etc?

 

I'm in, I know everyone else will be.

 You are quoting me when Imya insinuates Mignolet cost us the league. He could have at least pointed out Agger was on the bench for that game and avail, ffs.!.

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So a man has a different view and you suggest he is thick. Deary me no wonder Frode, Rashid and Bex do not post here anymore. I have heard many people suggesting Mignolet is the future and boasting about his lower wage and age. Highlighting Mignolets weakness as being irrelevant (he stops the ball you know) but now people are salivating at what Valdes does, that kicking and sweeping stuff. The man who is a carbon copy of Reina except Reina is much more dominating on crosses.  It's hilarious we get rid of Reina but allegedly want his clone but the clone has busted his ACL.You could not make this shit up.

 

But I will be made up if we get Valdes quality keeper and the back-line could speak 60% Spanish so that should make it easier to stop goals going in.

 

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 You are quoting me when Imya insinuates Mignolet cost us the league. He could have at least pointed out Agger was on the bench for that game and avail, ffs.!.

 

 

 

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How did Mingelot cost us the league frode sorry I meant Denny. Last 13 games we won 11 drew 1 lost 1 we were 4th when that run started, we lost the one because of Gerrard mistake, saying that Code blamed Sakho on it. That mistake cost us the league, whatever way we dress it up that was the one, Chelsea rested half a team v us and we couldn't get a result.

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Is right Richie we blew it against Chelsea.  No one was to blame, we put ourselves in an incredible position and we feel short, nothing bad in that.  I was proud of every single player, it was a great challenge.

 

I very much doubt if Valdes signs for us he is doing so to warm the bench.  He will be our number one.

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How did Mingelot cost us the league frode sorry I meant Denny. Last 13 games we won 11 drew 1 lost 1 we were 4th when that run started, we lost the one because of Gerrard mistake, saying that Code blamed Sakho on it. That mistake cost us the league, whatever way we dress it up that was the one, Chelsea rested half a team v us and we couldn't get a result.

 

 I think you should address that to Imya not me. I have not said anything like that at all about Mignolet.

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I think you should address that to Imya not me. I have not said anything like that at all.

Apologies so, but point stands, our failure to get a result against a Chelsea team who had no interest in said game cost is the league, nothing else that happened months earlier can even be considered

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No effective replacement for the suspended Henderson. No effective substitutions available full stop, Rodgers didn't trust any of them. All the players dead on their arse in the second half of games at the end of the season. Man City a whole squad of class players to rotate. No need for a blame game from Liverpool supporters.

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This is what  the ever reliable Tony Evans said a few days ago that backed up what he said a few months back where he was shouted at by lots of 11year olds on the internet.

 

Tony Evans on Valdes:

"He's a free agent and coming back from injury. LFC looking for a better keeper. "LFC have not been impressed with Mignolet. They would like one who commands his area, directs the defence & distributes better. The lack of confidence in the keeper runs throughout the club "

 

Evans: They (LFC) are disappointed with Can who "strolls" too much". "Early days,It could change. It's rare to come in fully formed but it's fair to say they (LFC) expected a bit more from him"

 

On Markovic "has a burst of pace they (LFC) love "but didn't see it in preseason". Overall Tony reckons LFC did "good business"

Evans on Balotelli "Rodgers didn't want Balotelli initially but the price was too good."

Evans on Rodgers: He's been much better at not running his mouth over last year & his tactics have become more flexible and vibrant."

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