PODCAST: Liverpool 2 Manchester United 2 - Match Reaction

"Stank the place out".  You can tell Paul wasn't on this one.... 

I’m 15 mins in and I can’t take this stuff from Dave about the Madrid situation has impacted his performance because he put too much pressure on himself.  It’s not like he was fluffing his lines overthinking stuff.  He was walking around the pitch like he’s been doing for years.  That’s nothing to do with pressure.  There’s talk about “the video on the first goal” but he does that possibly 5 or 6 times every single game for about 6 years.  It’s not like it’s out of the blue behaviour from him.  It’s consistent with what he’s been doing for years because he’s an arrogant cunt who thinks he’s above it.

Quansah's made a lot of mistakes this season, I don't blame Slot for not risking him. Another one and he'd probably be in new Wes Brown territory.

He just needs to focus on training hard and taking his chances. 

Great listen, agree about Trent's celebration and that definitely added fuel to the fire. 

Love a Raiders of the Lost Ark quote, me.

2 hours ago, The Guest said:

I’m 15 mins in and I can’t take this stuff from Dave about the Madrid situation has impacted his performance because he put too much pressure on himself.  It’s not like he was fluffing his lines overthinking stuff.  He was walking around the pitch like he’s been doing for years.  That’s nothing to do with pressure.  There’s talk about “the video on the first goal” but he does that possibly 5 or 6 times every single game for about 6 years.  It’s not like it’s out of the blue behaviour from him.  It’s consistent with what he’s been doing for years because he’s an arrogant cunt who thinks he’s above it.

So you think he's gone out there against United, in a week when he knows literally all the attention is on him, and he just doesn't care and thinks "can't be arsed running today".

Not having that. To me his head was all over the place and that's how it manifested itself with that performance. It's entirely self inflicted, I have no sympathy for him whatsoever, but there's not a chance in hell that he deliberately wasn't trying. He just looked like he was in a fucking daze.

5 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

So you think he's gone out there against United, in a week when he knows literally all the attention is on him, and he just doesn't care and thinks "can't be arsed running today".

 

Not having that. To me his head was all over the place and that's how it manifested itself with that performance. It's entirely self inflicted, I have no sympathy for him whatsoever, but there's not a chance in hell that he deliberately wasn't trying. He just looked like he was in a fucking daze.

He doesn't have to think it, he just has to feel it. I'm sure his head was all over the show but there was an undeniable lack of effort on display on the first goal, subconscious or otherwise.

I went into this hoping it wouldn't be too over the top, and it wasn't.  In fact I found it almost cathartic.

I don't think there was much to debate as all the bad parts were very obvious to see, although I think Alisson was on his heels for the 2nd goal (Kelleher would have saved it...).  But a really good chat about the contracts issue that I fully agreed with. 

I'd take Woods over Darwin...  

Telling @Paul to fuck off and Stu getting his usual anti-Salah abuse always makes it feel like nature is healing. 

31 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

So you think he's gone out there against United, in a week when he knows literally all the attention is on him, and he just doesn't care and thinks "can't be arsed running today".

 

Not having that. To me his head was all over the place and that's how it manifested itself with that performance. It's entirely self inflicted, I have no sympathy for him whatsoever, but there's not a chance in hell that he deliberately wasn't trying. He just looked like he was in a fucking daze.

I genuinely think he thinks it most weeks because there’s no other explanation for it.  This was a new low but it isn’t a one off that has come out of the blue.  If the reason for it this week is Madrid what are the 100+ other times he’s behaved like this about then?  Van Dijk has been tearing strips off him over it for around 2 years now never mind the years before that when every pretended like it was all a myth.

The main thing I’m struggling with is how long it’s taken people to see it all.  Even yesterday on Sky and talksport this morning there are people making out as though it was just a bad game.  It was far worse than that.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Liverpool player behave like this in regards to effort before.  

When you actually think about it. 

Trent is living the dream. He's playing for his boyhood team, and they're also arguably the best team in the world. 

Then for some reason. He now doesn't want that dream to be real anymore.... 

I genuinely cannot compute his mindset.... Perhaps I can understand him wanting to sample another culture, club etc...... But I cannot accept, or forgive, his laxy dazyicle performances. 

Of all players in our team, you would like to think, the one who losing or playing bad would affect more, would be trent. Yet here we are in a weird contract situation where it appears our Dutch captain, and African striker, want to play for this team more than the local kid..... 

I'm not, for one minute saying we should take him for granted, in terms of wages.... But who here can honestly say that they believe trent tries as hard as our other players? 

I reckon conor Bradley would run through brick walls and give 100% to get in and play for this team. 

But at the minute, it looks like Trents mindset is, we're the ones that are entitled to have him, as opposed to the other way round. 

I think Dave made a brilliant point that would this team win less games without him in the team, and all knee jerking aside. I fully agree with him.... We wouldn't win any less without him in the team. 

Very disappointed with Trent and i'm sure Slot regrets not changing things at half time.  Felt sorry for the players that had to do extra work for a dazed RB. Just need to get back to winning the next game. Last time this happened vs the Mancs we turned to shite....

10 minutes and I’m in full agreement with @Brownie with regards to the game. We should have won that and United weren’t as good as is being made out. 

I think Alisson will be disappointed in himself for the second goal. It's not hit well or hard, just early. And it feels to me like, as mentioned above, he was on his heels. He just didn't seem to get moving. 

We are so shit at corners now, thought we sorted it out years ago. 

Don't post much, but really enjoy the pods especially hearing the different views of events and players.

Only Trent knows what's going on in his head, obviously. That performance yesterday was exceptionally bad from a player who has such an exceptional talent. He's played poorly before, all players have bad games, but yesterday just felt different, possibly because of what had gone before.

I feel the same as Dave, that celebration last week just annoyed the fck out of me, mimicking his mate Bellendingham, and which perhaps revealed something about his character that has maybe developed over time. I don't know, but the way this contract situation has quickly escalated is not doing Trent or the club any favours now and I agree that it needs to be resolved quickly. We need focus to win the league and push for European Honours. We can't continue with this as a distraction. That performance yesterday was not befitting of a club vice captain, let alone someone who has apparently harboured ambitions of captaining a club who he has supported from an early age. It was the body language for me when things went wrong for him. Perhaps he was frustrated with himself at his poor passing and overall performance, but then make up for it with some perceptible passion and effort with a strong tackle or determination tracking runners. Maybe he didn't have the energy to do that, like i say only Trent knows. Virgil's reaction probably reflected what a lot of fans were thinking at the time.

Some may disagree, but I actually think the club has been negligent in allowing three of our most influential and valuable players to be within a few months of leaving on a free. There will be reasons for that, probably financial and stat-based, but at some point things can start to break as a result of this and it can affect player and team dynamics. We have a great opportunity to create another special moment in our history, the club need to focus on that and remove these unnecessary distractions.

1 hour ago, chrisbonnie said:

When you actually think about it. 

 

Trent is living the dream. He's playing for his boyhood team, and they're also arguably the best team in the world. 

 

Then for some reason. He now doesn't want that dream to be real anymore.... 

 

 

I agree to a point, but I do wonder if the dream of playing for your boyhood club is very different to actually doing it though? Trent achieved the dream of joining Liverpool Football Club at the age of 6, so it'll have been normal to him to always be apart of the club since he can almost remember.  This isn't a John Aldridge scenario.  He's been coming in 5-6 days a week now for 9 years and playing first team football.  It's the norm for him to be a part of this club.  Lots of mundane days; days he'd rather be at home.  All that.  So it's different to how we perceive it.

I can kind of see why even for a local fan, there'd be temptation to try something else.

10 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

 

I agree to a point, but I do wonder if the dream of playing for your boyhood club is very different to actually doing it though? Trent achieved the dream of joining Liverpool Football Club at the age of 6, so it'll have been normal to him to always be apart of the club since he can almost remember.  This isn't a John Aldridge scenario.  He's been coming in 5-6 days a week now for 9 years and playing first team football.  It's the norm for him to be a part of this club.  Lots of mundane days; days he'd rather be at home.  All that.  So it's different to how we perceive it.

 

I can kind of see why even for a local fan, there'd be temptation to try something else.

all human after all, so definetly understand that. 

but there's still no excuse for a perceived lack of effort at his job. 

With regards to Trent. Can’t disagree with any of the criticism for his performance and I am fully onboard with Dave and Chris’s points/feelings about him and this situation he has created.

6 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

 

I agree to a point, but I do wonder if the dream of playing for your boyhood club is very different to actually doing it though? Trent achieved the dream of joining Liverpool Football Club at the age of 6, so it'll have been normal to him to always be apart of the club since he can almost remember.  This isn't a John Aldridge scenario.  He's been coming in 5-6 days a week now for 9 years and playing first team football.  It's the norm for him to be a part of this club.  Lots of mundane days; days he'd rather be at home.  All that.  So it's different to how we perceive it.

 

I can kind of see why even for a local fan, there'd be temptation to try something else.

He comes across like an emotionless sociopath or having some sort of personality disorder.  He talks like an AI bot in interviews and comes out with some deluded shite.

Can you imagine week after week 60k people including your captain screaming at you to just run back but you think you know what I won’t.  Actually nobody is watching me now the ball is going that way I’ll just stop again.  You know there’s 50 cameras picking up on you doing it but fuck it who cares.  Any normal person would be shamed into just running to make up for the other times you didn’t and got caught out but he doesn’t give a flying fuck.

It fits in with the Liverpool fan thing.  He comes across as the new style of football fans. He probably can’t remember Gerrard other than watching YouTube shorts of his long range goals and thinks that’s what he was.  Any genuine red wouldn’t be leaving the club with the condition we are in now.  The fact we’ve went so long without titles and etc and are in pole position.  Every single actual fan 20 years at the club or not would be trying to win the league just like Salah and Van Dijk but he doesn’t care.  It doesn’t interest him.  It’s fucking weird.

Minor point but question came up:

Brighton did that three-players-on-halfway routine throughout the game. I noticed it at least three or four times.

(Well, producers kept showing wide-angle shot.)

Thought Dave made an interesting comment about Trent not being lazy as much as not knowing what to do. He looked in an absolute daze at times. When the camera caught his face he was just staring ahead like he had no idea where he was.

19 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Thought Dave made an interesting comment about Trent not being lazy as much as not knowing what to do. He looked in an absolute daze at times. When the camera caught his face he was just staring ahead like he had no idea where he was.

Caught that on the highlights today. 

Daze is the word that keeps coming to my mind too, and that's without even having seen the TV footage you're referring to. Used it in the match report a few times too. He's wandering about not knowing what the fuck he's doing. The one when he underhits that pass and then jogs back while everyone else is sprinting is just plain weird. There's no way that's a "I can't be arsed running" thing. Your natural instinct in that situation is to sprint like fuck to redeem the mistake, but he just ambled back like he's in some kind of trance.

Guarantee his head is absolutely all over the fucking place. He may have thought he was fine before the game, but he'll know now what an absolute shitstorm he's created this week. The question now is what does he do about it and how does he respond.

2 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

Minor point but question came up:

 

Brighton did that three-players-on-halfway routine throughout the game. I noticed it at least three or four times.

 

(Well, producers kept showing wide-angle shot.)

Nice one, as I say I only saw the second half and there was only one corner I think.

I did see what they were up to on free-kicks though, the sneaky cunts. Trossard just blatant pushing a Brighton defender back so he played everyone onside. They're just looking for any little way they can break the rules without it being picked up on. Pricks.

A close friend of mine from childhood who listens to the pod, reckons he identified a trademark fart of mine on the pod. He was correct in that assessment. Did anyone else pick up a "crowd pleaser" during this weekend's instalment?