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"Outstandingly good". Are you sure? - by John Brennan

“Outstandingly good.” Really? In comparison to the defensive naufrage of the previous week against Watford (and to a lesser extent Hoffenheim), it was decent. But “outstandingly good”? Sorry, but that shows how low the bar is for this defence at the moment.

 

Clean sheet?!! TOWN!!!! “Managing expectations”, as Gérard used to call it, when he knew his time was up. And when we do come up against decent sides, y’know, those challenging for League Titles and European honours, rather than what was, in essence, an alehouse team with eight men behind the ball hoping to nick a goal, we’ll see how “outstandingly good” we really are.

 

Still, it would be facetious not to praise some stuff from yesterday – for a few reasons. The first is obviously keeping a clean sheet. Our incapacity to do so and make our front men’s job easier has been the bane of Klopp’s teams (and Rodgers’ before that). Saturday was his 70th League game in charge (just the 85 goals conceded, in case you were wondering). We’ve kept 21 clean sheets in that time.

 

That means we’ve conceded in 70% of our games under this manager! So even though it was only Palace, the clean sheet is welcome. You have to start somewhere. But the acid test will come soon; Arsenal and City will likely have more questions for this defence than did Palace.

 

A second reason to be happy? (I know, I can’t believe it either!). It was only our 7th 1-0 win under Klopp! Winning ugly should never be a goal, but it’s sometimes a necessity. Against Palace, that’s what we did. We huffed and puffed in the first half and things never quite came off for us. When we did eventually score, even that was through luck allied to persistence (Mané never stops running, does he?). That we only needed the one goal to get all three points was a good thing yesterday because it wasn’t happening for us. That just the one sufficed was down to the clean sheet.

 

A third source of satisfaction? Some of the individual performances. When I heard there were three changes in the back four my first thought was, “So he DOES know that there’s a problem then?!”. But that relief soon gave way to trepidation. Klavan? Gomez? Some guy who couldn’t get in ahead of Moreno the previous week? With Palace’s jinx over us and another tough week behind us, you could be forgiven for fearing the worst.

 

And then at 5pm, you’re looking back on Robertson’s performance. Solid at the back. Not afraid to do the ugly stuff. Gets forward. Has a decent cross. Moreno should never get a look-in as long as this guy is in this form. Gomez did well too. Maybe in the full-back areas, we’ll be okay, after all! Robertson, Clyne, Trent, Gomez, Milner. It’s in the middle where we still clearly need to strengthen, despite Klopp’s protestations to the contrary.

 

Up front yesterday, we were less than convincing. The margins are fine and we could have destroyed them on another day. Matip scores from that early chance and it’s a totally different game. But it’s no longer a time for “what ifs?” and “could haves”. We are going to rely a lot on Mané, the real “difference-maker” in this team. Add Salah and Firmino and we’ll score a ton (maybe literally!).

 

But can we keep them fit? They’re going to be called on a lot this season for two reasons: Adam is out for another two months and if Sturridge plays any more than 30 games it will be a bonus. Oh and Coutinho is going to have a strop on him. In addition to that, this team has a disproportionate overreliance on the attack, given the defensive frailties. That added pressure on our front men to score goals means that resting them is a luxury we can’t afford.

 

We’ll probably play over 60 games this season. Do you trust this lot to keep many more clean sheets? Do you think we can keep enough players fit? Do you think our front men can keep producing, every three or four days? Simply put, do you TRUST this manager and this team? I don’t. Yet? Any more? I just don’t know which adverb to choose.

 

Still, at least we’re guaranteed a trip to Wembley this season.

 

John Brennan

@JohnAPBrennan


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We kept a clean sheet and Lovren didn't play,anybody see a connection? I think Lovren is a large part of the problem as his nervousness transmits into the rest of the back line,and keeper. Oh,and a reasonably decent DM would help this team a lot.

 

I don't think there's any correlation because during the string of clean sheets at the end of last season Lovren was playing. 

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Full judgement will come at the end of the season.

 

Everyone can give their opinion on where we are at any given time. I don't think this guy has got what it takes, that's all.

Got what it takes to do what? I'm unclear what the expectation is.

 

In the Premier League there are six teams who expect to finish top four. Three of them have more money than sense, and a squad depth we can only dream about. The other two have made a habit of finishing above us most of the time, for a good while.

 

Jurgen has us in that mix, and we finished top four last season for only the second time in eight years. He's doing well here. There are issues, but he is afforded the opportunity to work on his team.

 

Out of interest, if Klopp doesn't have what it takes in your view, (and that judgement is made fairly early on in his tenure, while we have probably over achieved thus far in relation to what most fans expected) who is the manager who comes in and improves on what Klopp is doing?

 

You might get someone who can set up a defence a bit better, but overall, the amount of managers who can come and improve on what we have going on are very few and far between.

 

I'm loving what Klopp is doing and I'm supporting him to take us even higher, assuming he is backed.

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I'd have Klopp's football over some of the shite that was served up by Houllier and Rafa anyday of the week.

 

In order of priority, who needs getting rid of is:

Michael Exelsheet, FSG, the rest of the committee, EA Greenhouse, half the squad, the other half of the squad, and then Klopp.

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I'd have Klopp's football over some of the shite that was served up by Houllier and Rafa anyday of the week.

In order of priority, who needs getting rid of is:

Michael Exelsheet, FSG, the rest of the committee, EA Greenhouse, half the squad, the other half of the squad, and then Klopp.

....followed by George Sephton.

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Got what it takes to do what? I'm unclear what the expectation is.

 

In the Premier League there are six teams who expect to finish top four. Three of them have more money than sense, and a squad depth we can only dream about. The other two have made a habit of finishing above us most of the time, for a good while.

 

Jurgen has us in that mix, and we finished top four last season for only the second time in eight years. He's doing well here. There are issues, but he is afforded the opportunity to work on his team.

 

Out of interest, if Klopp doesn't have what it takes in your view, (and that judgement is made fairly early on in his tenure, while we have probably over achieved thus far in relation to what most fans expected) who is the manager who comes in and improves on what Klopp is doing?

 

You might get someone who can set up a defence a bit better, but overall, the amount of managers who can come and improve on what we have going on are very few and far between.

 

I'm loving what Klopp is doing and I'm supporting him to take us even higher, assuming he is backed.

Well said, that man!!
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Good reasoned debate right there.

 

You all think Klopp is great. I get it. He's not though.

I never said Klopp was great, though his interviews do amuse me, not that I watch them on a regular basis.

 

I can't debate his strengths and weaknesses, as I've only watched one full game (Europa League Final) since he has been Liverpool manager.

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On 23/08/2017 at 17:48, Tony Moanero said:

I never said Klopp was great, though his interviews do amuse me, not that I watch them on a regular basis.

 

I can't debate his strengths and weaknesses, as I've only watched one full game (Europa League Final) since he has been Liverpool manager.

‘Kinell.

 

 Klopp is GREAT.

 

I’ve still only watched about three full games, though.

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On 23/08/2017 at 17:41, johnb said:

Good reasoned debate right there.

 

You all think Klopp is great. I get it. He's not though.

There's wrong and there's really wrong.

Then there's what fucking planet are you on wrong.

That's a post that definitely didn't age well, taxi for johnb.......

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On 23/08/2017 at 01:21, m0e said:

I'd have Klopp's football over some of the shite that was served up by Houllier and Rafa anyday of the week.

 

In order of priority, who needs getting rid of is:

Michael Exelsheet, FSG, the rest of the committee, EA Greenhouse, half the squad, the other half of the squad, and then Klopp.

Not aged well, that. 

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17 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Johnb had a bit of a Karius here,didn't he?

Leave John alone. He was obviously concussed when he wrote that. 

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