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Is it safe to come out yet? - by John Brennan

Is it safe to come out? Not in the Elton John way, mind. I needed a break from the madness of the transfer window. I’m just delighted that we can get back to the footy now. None of those close season highs in anticipation of a big signing and lows when we didn’t land our man. No, Klopp’s Reds are the very model of sanity, in no way intent on playing with our emotions and blood pressure. Snarky enough?

Anyway, the transfer window? Or “That’s the transfer window!” as Klopp will probably shout to the Main Stand if AOC – or whatever we’re calling him (and frankly, who cares?) – scores. Forgive me for using the conjunction “if”, rather than “when”, but NINE goals in 129 League games over SIX seasons will tend to make you sceptical. Another injury-prone player? For £35m? To add to competition for places with Hendo, Milner (our “new midfielder”, remember), Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Mané, Salah and Coutinho. Just what we needed!

 

Apologies for the cynicism. No, really. When Can is moved back to centre-half and when our “new midfielder” goes back to left-back due to the inadequacies of our defence, Chamberlain may well come in handy. I can’t wait to hear Klopp justifying this signing! There are those who’ll say it wasn’t a last-minute thing as he’s been linked with us all summer. But who hasn’t been linked with us since FSG got here? Nobody, that’s who.

 

It smacks of an “appeasement” signing to keep us in line. You got Salah. You got Chamberlain. We KEPT Coutinho, fending off the might of Barça. Hell, we even got you Robertson from Hull. Now, do please shut up!

 

I wrote the above on the first weekend of the international break, got side-tracked (think Moreno) and have just found the time now to come back to things. I could talk about us whacking Arsenal, but where’s the fun in that? We were good; they made us look great. Which goes to show that even Arsenal are capable of pulling the wool over Reds’ eyes. Klopp managed to keep his mouth shut for most of the ten days, which in itself is a miracle. Thing is, with him, you know that his next outpouring of verbiage is never far away.

 

Citeh? I’ve said in previous pieces that this team would sometimes need to score four to win. I thought that was reasonable enough! But never five. As for six… There were mitigating circumstances, of course. It’s hard enough playing City with 11 on the park. Try doing it with six. Oh sorry, you thought I was going to count our back four?! There’s no shame in losing to City; the shame is the way we packed it in. so the players obviously have to take responsibility. As does the “Boss”.

 

When anyone dares criticize him, of course, Kloppites trot out the same old “arguments”: “Would you prefer to go back to the 6-1 hammerings at Stoke?” (well, at least we scored that day); “I’d prefer this to those drab days under GH and Rafa.” (yeah, winning all those troffies and trophies, pffff, much over-rated). The reason we are in this mess and that we won’t win anything this season is the fault of the Board and Klopp.

 

In seventy-two League games, his teams have conceded 90 goals. NINETY!!! Seventy-two games is surely enough to realize there’s a problem and more importantly to try to fix it! Up front, this guy has a Plan A, B, C, D and E. There is literally a dozen combinations he has at his disposal and he deserves credit for that.

 

But at the back his Plan A is, at the very best, Clyne, Matip, Lovren and Milner. One of those is injured, the other is average at best, the other is a liability – literally, he’ll cost us 10 goals this season – and the other is our “new midfielder”. If Lovren or Matip get injured, Klavan can slot in! This is negligence on Klopp’s and the Club’s part. But woe betide you if you dare criticize him.

 

That’s the thing with the Cheerleader-in-Chief. Nothing sticks. Get beaten 5-0 at City? He has a built-in excuse with Mané’s sending-off. It would be cynical to suggest that was why he made such a big deal out of it, of course. Concede three at Watford? It wasn’t “that bad” and “too much was made of our defending”. Score on the counter-attack? Shout “That’s football!” at the crowd in a self-congratulatory manner. He’s above us all, isn’t he? The defence is just the on-field manifestation of this guy’s arrogance.

 

We can score at will and we’ll probably score over 100 goals this season. It’s the 14th of September and we’ve already got 16! Thing is, we’ve conceded 13. In seven games, we’ve conceded two or more in four of them (1 W, 2 D and 1 L). Even with our front men, we can’t continue taking on water. How can we expect them to score THREE or FOUR week-in, week-out and still not be guaranteed the win?

 

Lack of signings and an obvious inability to find answers to our numerous defensive problems are compromising any chance of success this season. We’ve got to get to January with these defenders: 23 more games in all, 17 in the League. By which stage we will have conceded another 30-35 goals. And put paid to another season.

 

But we have Oxlade-Chamberlain!

 

John Brennan

@JohnAPBrennan


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I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

 

Nor why it's been specifically re-visited this week.

I was the one who bumped it. I did so because he was snide as fuck, calling the manager all sorts of shitty things over two threads - and deserved, in my view, to be called out on hiding away since we’ve been doing well. I don’t really take well to the whole ‘cheerleader-in-chief’ nonsense.

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I don’t really take well to the whole ‘cheerleader-in-chief’ nonsense.

 

 

And it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

I have my own opinion of Jürgen's, which - with due respect - John won't change.

 

In respect of this specific reference by John B, albeit cynical, I think Klopp is a theatrical conductor of crowds and atmosphere at a ground - among many other more important things.

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And it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

I have my own opinion of Jürgen's, which - with due respect - John won't change.

 

In respect of this specific reference by John B, albeit cynical, I think Klopp is a theatrical conductor of crowds and atmosphere at a ground - among many other more important things.

Aye, that’s how he meant it! There’s a boat load of other disparaging remarks about the manager. If it doesn’t bother you, more power to you. It bothers me, so I confronted it.

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To each their own.

 

There's a lot of violent agreement and disagreement with each other - and others - on here at the moment.

 

I'm quite enjoying it.  Invigorating.

 

It's been a turbulent week or so.  The Derby, VVD, Firmino, Coutinho.

 

Objectivity is the ideal, but subjectivity among passionate fans is inevitable.

 

I've liked reading you.  And m0e, for example.

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Haha, interesting bump

It was a terrible article when it was written and it's got worse over time

Fancy actually sitting down and thinking it'd be a good idea to write shite like that?

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By some distance the worst thing I’ve read on here. And I include thousands of posts by Rashid, Hades and Dennis Tooth in that. 

 

It was also wrote less than two years ago. Unbelievable. And two people actually repped it!

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On 26/09/2017 at 18:15, johnb said:

Yes, of course it's premature to expect changes to a defence which continues to leak goals like there's no tomorrow over a HUNDRED games into his reign.

 

Put the snarkiness to one side and look at the facts. 

 

If you think he can get it right, then good for you. I think it's going to end in tears.

It’s easy to predict failure because literally 99% of the time that’s what happens.  It’s a good job we don’t have planks like you running the club.  They’re running the mancs instead.

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Seriously, who cares?  JB was brave enough to stick his head above the parapet and write an article for the site.  He got it horribly wrong in the longterm, but at the time we did have defensive issues.  Klopp fixed the attack and then turned his attention to the defence.  That's not the conventional way of doing things.  Conventional wisdom says you build from the back, and that's all JB was saying really.  JB is a good Red, I'm sure, and he wasn't the only one to take issue with Jurgen having a go at the crowd.  

 

Not many saw this coming.  Be honest, did you ever envisage Klopp making us so miserly and difficult to beat?  I didn't, I thought we'd be an attacking juggernaut playing heavy metal football and would take defensive risks, because that's what it said on ze tin.   I didn't ever envisage us winning a Champions League final looking like Wimbledon '88 on crack.  I'll take it, though.  Hoof! 

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The comments about our defensive performance were fair enough at the time. Not fair was calling Klopp a cheerleader and insinuating he was a shite manager in a horrendously written "article" with a sarcastic tone that was littered with "excessive!!!!! "punctuation" and quotation" marks."

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7 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The comments about our defensive performance were fair enough at the time. Not fair was calling Klopp a cheerleader and insinuating he was a shite manager in a horrendously written "article" with a sarcastic tone that was littered with "excessive!!!!! "punctuation" and quotation" marks."

Aye, he'll be disappointed looking back at those snipes.  Still, I'm sure Jurgen will get over it. 

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On 26/09/2017 at 18:15, johnb said:

Yes, of course it's premature to expect changes to a defence which continues to leak goals like there's no tomorrow over a HUNDRED games into his reign.

 

Put the snarkiness to one side and look at the facts. 

 

If you think he can get it right, then good for you. I think it's going to end in tears.

Spot on. Lot of tears flowing on Saturday 

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23 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The comments about our defensive performance were fair enough at the time. Not fair was calling Klopp a cheerleader and insinuating he was a shite manager in a horrendously written "article" with a sarcastic tone that was littered with "excessive!!!!! "punctuation" and quotation" marks."

Does have a bit of Trump about it. 

 

I see that FAILURE Klopp has bought AOC - SAD! Already making excuses! Milner a "new signing"? FAKE NEWS! We are in a MESS because of KLOPP.

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John is a good guy who has been on the forum since the beginning. He’s also a good writer who has wrote plenty of pieces I’ve enjoyed. 

 

This was a spectacularly misjudged article though and looks even worse when viewed with a couple of years hindsight.

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On 15/09/2017 at 14:25, Creator Supreme said:
On 15/09/2017 at 14:24, Spy Bee said:

Does anyone really begrudge bile and vitriol?

It's not bile and vitriol when it's true!

Spot on, CS

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25 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Strontium, sorry... ‘sixtimes’ Dog calling it ‘truth’ was the bit where I started getting shirty. 

 

Not sure why. Klopp himself obviously also recognised that Clyne/Matip/Lovren/Milner wasn't a defence that was going to win things. He moved Clyne on, moved Milner back to midfield, dropped Lovren and signed the most expensive defender in history.

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