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If you're serious about Coutinho then get on with it, we haven't got all month

Last summer Liverpool wanted to sign Virgil Van Dijk but for various reasons could not get a deal done. Similarly, Barcelona wanted to sign Philippe Coutinho but for various reasons also could not get a deal done. 

 

Fast forward to January, and Van Dijk is now a Liverpool player while Coutinho is reportedly “on strike” for the second time in six months. The reason Van Dijk is now a Liverpool player is because the Reds spent the months between transfer windows working behind the scenes to smooth things over with Southampton and struck a deal with no fuss and no acrimony. 

 

Terms were agreed with club and then player a week before the window officially opened. That deal went through because Liverpool asked Southampton what their valuation was and even though it was more than they would have liked to pay, they paid it anyway, without haggling or doing anything that might irritate Southampton and jeopardise the deal. 

 

Coutinho on the other hand, is still waiting for Barcelona to come in for him and is now in limbo once again, conveniently sidelined with a 'minor injury' while he waits for his 'Dream Club' to swoop in and take him away from this personal torment. Four days into the window though, and Barcelona have yet to make a bid and do not appear to have learnt anything from their failure last summer. 

 

Look, I'm not holding Liverpool up as the patron saint of transfers. The club messed up badly in the summer but at least lessons were learned, and with the Van Dijk transfer they showed exactly how business is supposed to be conducted in January. Clubs have months to do these deals and in most cases they should be ready to go as soon as the window opens, just as we were with the big Dutchman. 

 

Why have Barcelona not bid yet? Why are we again reading the same reports in their mouthpiece newspapers that we saw last summer about how “a bid is on its way”? How’s this bid getting here, carrier pigeon? 
 
They’re taking the piss, just as they did last summer with their derisory bids that they knew would never be accepted. They talk and talk and talk about how much they want Coutinho, but their actions don’t back that up. They knew those bids weren't enough but they hoped that by stirring up enough trouble we'd eventually feel as though we had to do a deal just to get him out. 

 

Instead of lodging a serious bid for the player the very second this window opened, Barcelona have so far done nothing. Nothing official anyway. They’ve still been busy conducting their affairs in their usual, classless, disrespectful underhanded manner. We’ve had the predictable comments from past and present Barcelona players praising Coutinho, while their coach “refused to talk about him” because “he plays for another club”, but only after first saying what a great player he is, of course. 

 

We also had their official kit supplier announcing his arrival at Camp Nou on their website and advertising shirts with his name on it. Barcelona had nothing to do with that though, of course. In fact, I'm sure they were absolutely horrified by it. “More than a club” and all that, don’t forget. The lack of respect they’ve shown is something that Liverpool should be taking into account if and when a bid arrives. 

 

Here’s the thing. Barcelona do not need to quickly push through any deal for Coutinho. They’re winning their league regardless of whether they sign him or not and he would be ineligible to play in the Champions League for them so what’s the rush? If they choose, they can take their time and let this play out in the media throughout January. 

 

For us it’s different. We’re on a great run and Coutinho had been a big part of that. He’s still here, still a Liverpool player, yet he’s not playing. “Injured”, apparently. Just as he was for the entirety of the last transfer window, funnily enough. 
 
Reports in Spain and Brazil, however, tell us he is “on strike” and believes he has played his last game for the club. They also made sure to stress that the decision not to play has been taken by the player himself and he has not been put up to it in any way by Barcelona, no sir. 

 

All this nonsense is a distraction that we don’t need but it’s happening because Barcelona think they can do what they like and get what they want. If they want Coutinho, fine; Put up or shut up. Shit or get off the pot. Put your money where your mouth is etc
 
There's been talk for three days now that a bid is on its way and presumably it will arrive eventually, but the real question is will they come in low again and work their way up over the next few weeks? If the first bid that comes in is as insulting as the last one they made, tell them to do one and come back in the summer.  

 

If it's not far off the club's valuation then tell them they've got until after the weekend to make an acceptable offer, or do one and come back in the summer. They cannot be allowed to drag this out and unsettle what we've got going on right now, and even if they do come in with an acceptable offer I'd still think twice about accepting it just because of the blatant disrespect they've shown by allowing it to play out so publicly again and not having these discussions behind the scenes earlier. Cheeky arrogant bastards.
 
Frankly I’m at the point where I no longer care if Coutinho is here beyond this window or not, but whatever happens has to be on our terms because, contrary to what Barca and Coutinho's camp seem to believe, we still hold all the cards. Three and a half years left on his contract and it’s a World Cup year, so if a deal isn’t done, then good luck taking that 'strike' beyond January, Phil. 

 

Ideally I’d like him to stay, either because no deal is done or because one is struck that sees him remain here before joining them in the summer. I’m fine with both of those scenarios and I’d even be relatively ok with selling him now providing Klopp has a replacement lined up and ready to go. 

 

The one thing I won’t be ok with is selling him and not signing a replacement, especially if it happens late in the window. If that happens then the club will deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way, and hiding behind “it was Jurgen’s decision” won’t cut it. If they sell without buying a replacement they may as well have sold him last summer. 

 

I don’t think that will happen though. FSG handled this situation perfectly last summer and so far they’ve done nothing wrong this time, but they cannot allow this situation to drag on and therefore an ultimatum needs to be set. We can’t be sat here still discussing this in the last week of January. 

 

It's in Barca's interests to let the situation to turn toxic (as it did in the summer) in the hope that the price will come down because we’ll just want to get him out. It didn’t work in the summer and it shouldn’t work now. There’s a price that will get Coutinho and it’s fair to assume that Barcelona have been made aware of what that is. 

 

They are working with the January transfer deadline in mind, but Liverpool need to set a deadline of their own as this nonsense can’t be allowed to run right up until the end of the month. There’s nothing complicated about this; there’s a price to get him and they either have the money or they don’t. Pay it or walk away, it's their choice, but Liverpool need to tell them to make their mind up now because why should we have this distraction undermining us at such a critical stage of the season? 

 

Give them until Monday to come up with an acceptable offer and if they don't meet the deadline then don’t even pick up the phone to them until next summer and set their emails to go straight into trash. 
 
It’s one thing to accept the reality that our best players can be cherry picked by richer clubs, but having them treat us like dickheads is something we really don't have to stand for, and hopefully we wont. 
 

 

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It really wasn't.

I was thinking about how certain you seemed that he wouldn't leave over the last window (proved true) and also seemed pretty certain that he wouldn't leave in January. 

 

Personally I think it's the scumbag agent who is orchestrating the whole thing and everyone else is just getting sucked into it.

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Coutinho has the last say regardless. If the club had told him to say he had an inury that would have been leaked everywhere.

 

If he isnt gone by city and doesnt play then it all points to downing tools twice , who else has ever treated us like that?

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We should tell Barcelona that we are sending our player over for talks, then stick Sturridge and his zimmer frame on a plane. 

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Sums up my thoughts. I think this why do Barcelona want him now when they are winning their league is a bit weak argument really. You always strengthen a side when it is a winning one not when it is losing. Buying when you are strolling to your title gives your fans a boost and this I think is one of the main reasons Barcelona want Coutinho now rather than the summer. We all know internal politics plays a huge part in Spanish clubs especially the big two. I do not know if there are club elections coming up but even if they are not the current man holding the cards knows making a signing like Coutinho is a big statement and will make sure he gets a load of votes. As for Coutniho great player but shit of a professional. He knows where he is and he knows what he signed up to just over a year ago. If the club was going nowhere I could understand why he would act like a shit to force his move. But this club rescued his career when he was going nowhere at Inter. I know the idea of loyalty in football dies a long time ago but Coutinho should remember Barcelona will spit him out in a second if it suits the club or whoever is president there at the time.

 

I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in. Leipzig are saying Keita cannot come now and we have to wait to the summer. Monaco are saying similar with Lemar. What is the club to do, look at alternative? No it is clear Klopp wants to stop 2nd choices and stick with his 1st. If Liverpool cannot make those two deals happen this window it is not the clubs fault. We as fans need to drop the 'anyone' mentality over players we sign and back the manager in his vision of 1st choice only.

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Sums up my thoughts. I think this why do Barcelona want him now when they are winning their league is a bit weak argument really. You always strengthen a side when it is a winning one not when it is losing. Buying when you are strolling to your title gives your fans a boost and this I think is one of the main reasons Barcelona want Coutinho now rather than the summer. We all know internal politics plays a huge part in Spanish clubs especially the big two. I do not know if there are club elections coming up but even if they are not the current man holding the cards knows making a signing like Coutinho is a big statement and will make sure he gets a load of votes. As for Coutniho great player but shit of a professional. He knows where he is and he knows what he signed up to just over a year ago. If the club was going nowhere I could understand why he would act like a shit to force his move. But this club rescued his career when he was going nowhere at Inter. I know the idea of loyalty in football dies a long time ago but Coutinho should remember Barcelona will spit him out in a second if it suits the club or whoever is president there at the time.

 

I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in. Leipzig are saying Keita cannot come now and we have to wait to the summer. Monaco are saying similar with Lemar. What is the club to do, look at alternative? No it is clear Klopp wants to stop 2nd choices and stick with his 1st. If Liverpool cannot make those two deals happen this window it is not the clubs fault. We as fans need to drop the 'anyone' mentality over players we sign and back the manager in his vision of 1st choice only.

 

Hmmmmm, maybe not sell him in January in the first place then the same way those other 2 clubs are doing?

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Hmmmmm, maybe not sell him in January in the first place then the same way those other 2 clubs are doing?

 

Well you only have to look at van Dijk and to a lesser extent Keita to see how that works. If Barcelona was to come up with £150m cash no adds ons I will drive Coutinho to John Lennon this evening.

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I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in. Leipzig are saying Keita cannot come now and we have to wait to the summer. Monaco are saying similar with Lemar. What is the club to do? 

 

How about doing just what Leipzig or Monaco is doing?

 

Either sell now and get a replacement in. If we can't get who we want now, then just agree a deal now for him to move in the summer. Selling now and not getting a replacement should not be an option. Phil cannot afford to go on strike for four months ahead of a world cup. So, of course FSG and the club can, and should be criticised, if we sell and do not sign a replacement.

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Well you only have to look at van Dijk and to a lesser extent Keita to see how that works. If Barcelona was to come up with £150m cash no adds ons I will drive Coutinho to John Lennon this evening.

With Keita, we got our man but had to wait a year. With van Dijk, we got our man, before the window opened by paying over the odds. 

So either pay and wait until summer or pay early and over the odds. Barcelona are willing to do neither, so the club should tell them to fuck off.

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Am I missing something here with regards to his current contract? I keep seeing people say he’s got 3 and half years left but then looking at the reports when he signed the contract it says he’s tied up until 2022.

 

I think the club do hold all the cards with this bit only for a finite amount of time. I think the only genuine thing they may be worried about is it would be uncharted territory if after the window closes or beyond the World Cup if they still refuse to sell and Coutinho refuses to play. You can fine him wages but essentially you won’t have a player and you won’t have the money from their sale to replace them whilst they aren’t playing. There is also the possibility of legal action with regards to them not playing games for the club and being released which means the club could lose out massively. No player or club have ever pushed things that far before.

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How about doing just what Leipzig or Monaco is doing?

 

Either sell now and get a replacement in. If we can't get who we want now, then just agree a deal now for him to move in the summer. Selling now and not getting a replacement should not be an option. Phil cannot afford to go on strike for four months ahead of a world cup. So, of course FSG and the club can, and should be criticised, if we sell and do not sign a replacement.

 

Selling is the easy part. Getting a quality replacement in is not. Leipzig are holding on to Keita but his form has plummeted. Monaco are saying Lemar is going nowhere this window. You are falling into the buy anyone nonsense on here when Klopp did not sign any other center back when the van Dijk summer transfer fell through.

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Selling is the easy part. Getting a quality replacement in is not. Leipzig are holding on to Keita but his form has plummeted. Monaco are saying Lemar is going nowhere this window. You are falling into the buy anyone nonsense on here when Klopp did not sign any other center back when the van Dijk summer transfer fell through.

 

Try reading again. No one is falling into the buy anyone nonsense here. Clearly said if we don't think we can get a quality replacement in this month, then just agree a deal and sell him in the summer. Not particularly sure what's difficult to understand here.

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Try reading again. No one is falling into the buy anyone nonsense here. Clearly said if we don't think we can get a quality replacement in this month, then just agree a deal and sell him in the summer. Not particularly sure what's difficult to understand here.

 

 

I guess it doesn't matter too much to FSG when he goes.  However, if Klopp thinks the situation is untenable, he may push for him to be fucked off immediately.

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I was thinking about how certain you seemed that he wouldn't leave over the last window (proved true) and also seemed pretty certain that he wouldn't leave in January. 

 

Personally I think it's the scumbag agent who is orchestrating the whole thing and everyone else is just getting sucked into it.

 

 

His agent is doing what he was hired to do. It's Coutinho who should be blamed. He signed a 5 year contract and then a few months later sacked his agent and hired a new one to get him out of it.

 

In the summer Henry wasn't going to sell him for any price.

 

Now? I still think Henry is loathe to sell unless Barcelona make a bid to blow our socks off. I could be wrong.

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Try reading again. No one is falling into the buy anyone nonsense here. Clearly said if we don't think we can get a quality replacement in this month, then just agree a deal and sell him in the summer. Not particularly sure what's difficult to understand here.

 

Thanks but I do not need to try reading anything again. I do not understand why some people on this forum are so condescending to others opinions. I am making the point our 1st choice targets are Lemar and Keita maybe Goretska. We sell Countinho for £150m. How do we get Keita and one of Lemar or Goretska brought in this window when their clubs are saying no deals until the summer. You might say offer them a lot of more money. Funny I have seen some of our fans saying we should not have paid £75m for van Dijk one of Klopps 1st choices.

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Thanks but I do not need to try reading anything again. I do not understand why some people on this forum are so condescending to others opinions. I am making the point our 1st choice targets are Lemar and Keita maybe Goretska. We sell Countinho for £150m. How do we get Keita and one of Lemar or Goretska brought in this window when their clubs are saying no deals until the summer. You might say offer them a lot of more money. Funny I have seen some of our fans saying we should not have paid £75m for van Dijk one of Klopps 1st choices.

With the greatest respect. I believe you need to read it again.

 

People are saying, if we can not get our 1st choice targets, then we wait. We wait for our target and we wait to sell Countinho as well, both things happen at the same time.

The worst thing to do, is wait for our 1st choice target until the summer and sell Countinho now. 

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Thanks but I do not need to try reading anything again. I do not understand why some people on this forum are so condescending to others opinions. I am making the point our 1st choice targets are Lemar and Keita maybe Goretska. We sell Countinho for £150m. How do we get Keita and one of Lemar or Goretska brought in this window when their clubs are saying no deals until the summer. You might say offer them a lot of more money. Funny I have seen some of our fans saying we should not have paid £75m for van Dijk one of Klopps 1st choices.

 

Fuck it, I give up.

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With the greatest respect. I believe you need to read it again.

 

People are saying, if we can not get our 1st choice targets, then we wait. We wait for our target and we wait to sell Countinho as well, both things happen at the same time.

The worst thing to do, is wait for our 1st choice target until the summer and sell Countinho now. 

 

Yes and I said "I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in." I know a lot of people here do not like FSG but surely the majority of people think they would try and bring replacements in. That said in one of my other posts Coutinho is a great player but a shit pro. He knew what he signed up for 12 to 18 months ago but like all players he acts petulently when it suits.

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We should not let the player go in January unless we bring in the replacement/s Klopp wants in January. We are having a decent season. Anything can happen in the CL, and it seems anywhere from 2nd to 6th is up for grabs in the Prem. With Coutinho I would suggest we finish higher in the range. Without, and without suitable replacement/s who are up to speed ASAP, then finishing top four could even be in jeopardy.

 

Imagine letting Coutinho go in January, for whatever sum of money is agreed. But then imagine not having the replacement/s signed, and then we stutter in the league as losing Coutinho puts us on a downer for a bit. We regroup, but crucially finish outside the top four.

 

How will that help our prospects moving forward?

 

The more I’m thinking about it the more I’m convinced the correct course is no move in January, even if they meet our price. Just say no. At best (for Barcelona) I’d agree a deal now to be triggered in summer.

 

Our season is paramount, and the good of LFC is paramount. Finish top four, again, secure Lemar for summer (or whoever), agree to let Coutinho go in summer, and then give it our all to win a trophy. Everyone knows where they stand and we can all get on with it.

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Yes and I said "I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in." I know a lot of people here do not like FSG but surely the majority of people think they would try and bring replacements in. That said in one of my other posts Coutinho is a great player but a shit pro. He knew what he signed up for 12 to 18 months ago but like all players he acts petulently when it suits.

 

They (and/or Klopp if it's his decision) can be criticised though, that's the point, because we shouldn't sell him in the first place, especially if we can't get a replacement in. 

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This doesn't look good for FSG. Leaving it up to Klopp is code for "we spent money on Van Dijk and now want it back."

It should be up to Klopp. But as far as selling our best players go i think they have done a decebt job of getting the club paid. Torres, Suarez and Sterling. Problem has been getting in proper replacements. Though i trust Klopp with that a hell of a lot more than Rodgers and whatever committee might be involved. As far as attacking players go the ones Klopp has brought in has been superb for us.

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It should be up to Klopp. But as far as selling our best players go i think they have done a decebt job of getting the club paid. Torres, Suarez and Sterling. Problem has been getting in proper replacements. Though i trust Klopp with that a hell of a lot more than Rodgers and whatever committee might be involved. As far as attacking players go the ones Klopp has brought in has been superb for us.

 

Sterling can fuck off.  We've got Mane and Salah.  Torres was a weeping sulking child and when he went, the wind changed and his face stuck like that.  Suarez was managed out expertly.  We've made some bad moves in the transfer market, but lately they've been good.

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Sterling can fuck off. We've got Mane and Salah. Torres was a weeping sulking child and when he went, the wind changed and his face stuck like that. Suarez was managed out expertly. We've made some bad moves in the transfer market, but lately they've been good.

Yeah, Torres and Sterling we improved upon. Though i would have liked to see what Klopp could have got out of Sterling. Doing well under Guardiola.
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