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Liverpool 1 Burnley 1 (Sep 16 2017)



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Dave Usher at Anfield
 
 
 
Not clinical enough and defensively suspect. Stop me if you’ve heard this before. I don’t even know what the answer is anymore, we’ve seen this so often and at this point there’s absolutely no reason to think it won’t continue. 

We’re as bad defensively as we’ve ever been but I’m not sure how you fix it when it’s often just stupid individual errors by different players. We can’t even blame Lovren or Moreno for this as Lovren cried off with a back injury (must have caught it off Phil) and Moreno was rested. Whoever lines up in that back four though, we’re just so easy to score against. 
 
Burnley didn’t even try to attack; they were not interested in having the ball and barely ventured out of their own half. Yet they scored one and could easily have had another without actually doing anything out of the ordinary. A long ball that we didn’t deal with, a second ball we didn’t react to and just like that we’re 1-0 down. It’s inexcusable how easy we make it for opponents to score. They rarely have to work for it as we just hand it to them. 
 
Conceding like that was the last thing we needed coming off the back of the loss to City and throwing away a win against Sevilla. The feel good factor that was there after smashing Hoffenheim and Arsenal as recently as three weeks ago has has quickly been replaced by jitters, mistrust and disillusionment. Things are not as bad as they seem right now and a couple of wins will get us back on track, but frigging hell it’s stressful watching us at the moment. 
 
It’s not even that we’re playing badly. For most of the game against Sevilla we were ok and there were spells where we were outstanding. None of it matters when you are throwing away the result with defensive incompetence. It was the same in this one. I thought the performance was mostly fine overall but it doesn’t really matter does it? We needed to win the game, we should have won the game, but we didn’t. 
 
Klopp made seven changes which obviously leaves him open for criticism from some, because rotation is a contentious business and you can't please everyone unless you win every game. I was fine with the number of changes made as he definitely needed to freshen things up.
 
The only issue I had was that Oxlade-Chamberlain didn’t start. Why pay nearly £40m for him if he’s not going to play when either Mané or Salah is missing? Wasn’t that the whole fucking reason to sign him so we didn’t have to keep using Firmino wide? Apparently not. 
 
So once again we had Roberto being shunted out to the left as Sturridge was given the start in the centre. Sturridge deserved a chance to play and it was an ideal opportunity to rest Firmino and give Chamberlain a go. But no, we were subjected to Firmino out wide and once again he failed to make any significant contribution, despite working his nuts off and showing some nice close control. 
 
It’s just pointless putting him there, but - as with other issues such as, oh I don’t know, defending - Klopp has his own ideas and it appears nothing is going to change that. It’s frustrating but, *shrugs*, what can we do? 
 
Sturridge was ok I thought. Not great but not terrible either. He looked quite sharp with the ball but was uncharacteristically poor with his shooting. His first two efforts were weak as piss but he did go closer with another couple of attempts, one which hit the side netting and another gorgeous chip that sailed just over. Perhaps the best chance he had was when he failed to get anything on a brilliant right wing cross from Milner. 
 
It’s not easy when you’re not playing much but Sturridge can’t have any complaints about that. To get into a rhythm you need to play but he’s been so unreliable with his fitness we can’t really consider him to be anything more than a high quality back up these days. He’s also going to have to look out for Dom Solanke coming for his place too, as that lad has definitely got something and might be pushing for a place far sooner than any of us thought. 
 
I like Robertson even if Coutinho clearly doesn’t. I lost count of the number of times the full back went on the overlap only for Coutinho to ignore and cut inside into traffic. When Robertson does get the ball he usually looks like he'll do something with it.
 
Defensively he didn't have much to do, but he did make one terrific covering block on the front post in the first half. Rightly or wrongly, the first thing I thought when that happened was that there was no way in hell Moreno was covering like that. We need to see more of Robertson to be absolutely sure, but what he's done so far has been good.
 
Coutinho was doing my head in though because his decision making was dreadful. He seemed to be trying to play hero ball all day; either wanting to make space for a shot or trying to play a killer pass every time he got the ball. And his shooting was garbage, he even managed to put one into the top tier of the Anny Road with one pathetic effort.
 
Whether it’s because he’s playing for himself or if he’s simply trying too hard to make amends for what happened, we’ll find out in time I guess. Some of his touches and turns when receiving possession in midfield were different class but it invariably came to nothing and his performance mirrored the afternoon as a whole - frustrating. 
 
The thing is, it’s easy to say “it’s only Burnley, we should be battering these” but the truth is that Burnley rarely get battered by anyone. They’re really difficult to play against because they’re organised, hard working, and have no qualms whatsoever about playing completely unattractive football that will win them few friends. They don’t care, they’ll just do their thing regardless. 
 
Spurs couldn’t beat them and Chelsea lost to them. That doesn’t make us drawing with them ok, but I’m just saying that to beat Burnley you either need to play very well or have some good fortune. We didn’t play really well and we had no luck, so we didn't win. 
 
We should have had a penalty though and we hit the bar, so with a bit of luck on either of those incidents we win the game and we’re all talking about what a good three points it is and how encouraging it is to be able to overcome these kind of stubborn opponents. 
 
That’s why I’m trying not to over react to what wasn’t really that bad a display. In fact, when compared to a lot of these type of games we've had in recent years, it was better than most even if the result wasn't.
 
That being said, you have to be concerned about the goal we let in. I can accept Trent being beaten in the air as that doesn’t create the kind of problem that can’t be dealt with. Matip should have been stronger when challenging Wood and just what the hell was Klavan doing sticking his nose into something he shouldn’t have? Just hold your position and let Matip challenge for the ball. 
 
This fella has 120 odd international caps and probably over 500 Bundesliga games under his belt. He’s been around the block. Physical mistakes are one thing, but these mental errors we’re seeing from our players are just ridiculous and shouldn’t be happening. 
 
He almost cost us late on too when he challenged big Emre for a ball in our box and conceded a corner that Burnley so nearly turned into a goal. There’s nothing Klopp can do about that; this is an experienced player that should be above that kind of error. 
 
The Burnley goal had come totally out of nothing and we’d been playing well up to that point. Salah had been looking sharp and Sturridge had already had a few sights of goal, but conceding such a bad goal shook the crowd’s confidence. It might have gotten really edgy if we hadn’t equalised so soon after. 
 
Nice goal too, as Salah made a good diagonal run and Can picked him out. Mo did the rest with some nice close control and a low finish. He was the best player on the pitch in the first half but was less of a factor after the break. 
 
The second half started well and we had a ten minute spell where it looked like we would score with every attack. At that point Klopp had already fallen out with the fans in the Main Stand once, and it would happen twice more as the tension around the stadium increased with every missed opportunity. 
 
It started when there was an ironic cheer from the Main Stand as Coutinho finally played a pass to Robertson. A minute later it happened again and this time the cheer was taken up by more fans than the first time. I don’t know whether Klopp was pissed off because it happened twice (the point had been made the first time), or whether he was just annoyed that it had happened at all. 
 
He was fucking fuming though and was yelling at the crowd and throwing his arms about. It happened again when the crowd got annoyed at Klavan. What happened there was he was in possession and Coutinho made an angle to receive a pass. He was in space and Klavan appeared to see him but then turned to play a pass back to Matip. The fans kicked off and Klavan quickly changed his mind and played it to Coutinho, but Klopp went nuts again. 
 
The third time was when there was some unnecessary playing around at the back and the crowd got jittery as it looked like we were playing ourselves into trouble. This time Klopp went postal, he was screaming at the crowd and his face was all contorted with rage. I sit not far from him so I’m used to seeing these outbursts from him, but usually it’s mild exasperation or a fairly gentle chiding. This was different, he’d lost it completely. 
 
I don’t like it. Whether he has a point or not isn’t even relevant. You’re not going to control an entire crowd of over 50,000 people and like it or not, fans are going to vent their frustrations when things aren’t going well. Maybe in his perfect little Dortmund utopia that never happened, but you can’t compare the two because German fans are treated much, much better by their clubs and they aren’t being fleeced on ticket prices. 
 
I don’t want to get too bogged down on this though as it’s worthy of an article of its own. I just think on a list of things Klopp should be worried about, the crowd reaction should be way down it, especially as there are bigger problems that are actually his job to solve. Worry about the team Jurgen, because if you fix that then the crowd thing will take care of itself. 
 
There’s a mental issue with these players. They don’t deal with adversity well and they panic too easily. When they didn't get the second goal they got edgy. A similar thing happened against Sevilla and at Watford on opening day, we had the lead in those games but it was only one goal and nerves set in. Blame the crowd for that if you want, but it was not the crowd that caused Klavan and Can to go for the same ball and concede a needless corner. And it wasn’t the crowd who gave Ben Mee a free header from that corner. 
 
Thankfully Matip was on hand to head it off the line, but what happened from the resulting corner? Mee had another free header and Mignolet had to make a good save to keep it out. If that had gone in all hell would have broken loose and the crowd really would have been letting the players have it. If Klopp thought it was bad at 1-1 then God knows how he’d have reacted then. He’d have probably ended up in row six trading punches with punters. 
 
I’d prefer it if he focused on fixing the things that he can actually fix, such as his in game management for one thing. Too often he seems to leave his subs too late, and when you see the impact Solanke has you can’t help but wonder what would have happened if he’d been given an extra 15 minutes. 
 
He attacks balls in the box and he had two decent efforts in the short time he was on. It’s easy to say he should have scored with the chance that hit the bar but for me that was unlucky. The ball came at him quickly and it was slightly behind him. He directed it goalwards and more often than not it would have gone in. Unfortunately it was a fraction high. 
 
Still, it shouldn’t have even come to that because Salah had been tripped in the box seconds before and should have had a pen. I’m not sure I’d have been confident of anyone burying the pen but it would have been nice to have the opportunity. 
 
We didn’t have much luck but you could argue that we don’t deserve any because we don’t help ourselves. We miss too many chances and we give away cheap goals. That’s a bad combination and not one that is conducive to successful football. 
 
You can get away with one of those things but not both. We shouldn’t be this reliant on Mané - especially having signed Salah - yet here we are, in the same predicament we were in last January. No Mané, no wins. Thankfully he only has to sit out two more games because he can’t come back quickly enough. 
 

 

Team: Mignolet; Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Klavan, Robertson; Can, Milner, Coutinho (Oxlade-Chamberlain); Salah, Sturridge, Firmino (Solanke):


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I think Oxlade Chamberlain is shit and Klopp knows it so is reluctant to play him. Maybe a signing not wholly endorsed by him? Or maybe he is simply not happy with his fitness levels? Hopefully the latter.

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"There’s nothing Klopp can do about that; this is an experienced player that should be above that kind of error​" It's alright saying there's nothing Klopp can do about a player's mistake, but surely a better player would make less mistakes? Like Van Dijk or, oh, I don't know....Sakho. 

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Stop me if you’ve heard this before.

I don’t even know what the answer is anymore,

We’ve seen this so often and at this point

There’s absolutely no reason to think it won’t continue.

 

Anyone else read this is Morrissey's singing voice?

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I think Oxlade Chamberlain is shit and Klopp knows it so is reluctant to play him. Maybe a signing not wholly endorsed by him? Or maybe he is simply not happy with his fitness levels? Hopefully the latter.

Alternatively, he doesn't think the player he sanctioned the purchase of 21 days ago is shit.  Alternatively, he just thinks he needs more time learning how we play on the training field.  Like in the old days where we used to stick players in the reserves for a year as part of their rite of passage.

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Alternatively, he doesn't think the player he sanctioned the purchase of 21 days ago is shit.  Alternatively, he just thinks he needs more time learning how we play on the training field.  Like in the old days where we used to stick players in the reserves for a year as part of their rite of passage.

 

Yep, bang on. The person you quoted is talking absolute crap but seems to be the trend amongst some fans nowadays. Crazy world, eh?

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Alternatively, he doesn't think the player he sanctioned the purchase of 21 days ago is shit.  Alternatively, he just thinks he needs more time learning how we play on the training field.  Like in the old days where we used to stick players in the reserves for a year as part of their rite of passage.

 

 

But just as conveniently, the argument is used that "times have changed" from the good old days.

 

Rite of passage for an England international bought from a top 4 rival.  

 

Interesting times we live in.

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As childish and unprofessional as it may sound but could Coutinho not giving Robertson the ball be because it wasn't his mate Moreno. I've played enough football over the years to see that sort of thing go on a lot more than people would imagine. Even though they get a lot of money etc they are just like any other set of fellas playing football.

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As childish and unprofessional as it may sound but could Coutinho not giving Robertson the ball be because it wasn't his mate Moreno. I've played enough football over the years to see that sort of thing go on a lot more than people would imagine. Even though they get a lot of money etc they are just like any other set of fellas playing football.

 

He did it in Dublin during our last pre season game. I noticed then he (coutinho) didnt pass to robertson most of the game. Maybe he just doesnt rate robertson or thinks 'who the fuck are you?'

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As childish and unprofessional as it may sound but could Coutinho not giving Robertson the ball be because it wasn't his mate Moreno. I've played enough football over the years to see that sort of thing go on a lot more than people would imagine. Even though they get a lot of money etc they are just like any other set of fellas playing football.

 

 

Perfectly acceptable theory, given it involves a player who didn't want to be here the other week.

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Yep, bang on. The person you quoted is talking absolute crap but seems to be the trend amongst some fans nowadays. Crazy world, eh?

Personally, I don't think it's crap.  It's fears of actual shit that actually happened in the recent past being projected onto today's situation.   In the actual recent past we've had the manager and transfer team at loggerheads.  In the recent past, we've signed 'top european talents' who've turned out completely shit.

 

Personally, I think my explanation makes more sense, for today.  A few years ago, I would have been called crazy tho'.  Crazy world, eh?

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Personally, I don't think it's crap.  It's fears of actual shit that actually happened in the recent past being projected onto today's situation.   In the actual recent past we've had the manager and transfer team at loggerheads.  In the recent past, we've signed 'top european talents' who've turned out completely shit.

 

Personally, I think my explanation makes more sense, for today.  A few years ago, I would have been called crazy tho'.  Crazy world, eh?

 

Yeah you wouldnt think I was actually agreeing with your original comments, would you?

 

Whether it's what happened a few years ago is immaterial. Klopp's comments on the signing of Ox Chambers makes it pretty clear he wanted him and the fact he hasnt started him isnt an indication of otherwise.

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But just as conveniently, the argument is used that "times have changed" from the good old days.

 

Rite of passage for an England international bought from a top 4 rival.  

 

Interesting times we live in.

This whole gegenpressing stuff, the triggers, the approaches, etc, seem to be alien ideas to our players.  Even those here from the beginning are still learning the hows, whys and the whens.  It's not like we're doing the simple 'knock it long and steam up-field' approach.

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Yeah you wouldnt think I was actually agreeing with your original comments, would you?

 

Whether it's what happened a few years ago is immaterial. Klopp's comments on the signing of Ox Chambers makes it pretty clear he wanted him and the fact he hasnt started him isnt an indication of otherwise.

 

 

Stop fishing for approval.  

Aren't you old enough to cope without that?

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This whole gegenpressing stuff, the triggers, the approaches, etc, seem to be alien ideas to our players.  Even those here from the beginning are still learning the hows, whys and the whens.  It's not like we're doing the simple 'knock it long and steam up-field' approach.

 

I reckon Oxley-Chambermaid (or whatever he's called) could cope from kick-off, if he's good enough.

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As childish and unprofessional as it may sound but could Coutinho not giving Robertson the ball be because it wasn't his mate Moreno. I've played enough football over the years to see that sort of thing go on a lot more than people would imagine. Even though they get a lot of money etc they are just like any other set of fellas playing football.

 

He was combining with Firminho all the time.  He knows his runs, and he knows his, so they combine well.   Probably, no more than that.

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We should have been 1-0 up after 60 seconds, with Sturridge on his heels. 

 

Think we had another good chance on 5 mins.

 

 

You can chalk it down to a 'bad day at the office' for Sturridge, but that would be unrealistic and you would be kidding yourself. Because that suggests he'll learn from that, get sharper, and start putting them away.  But that won't happen, because he won't play enough games to get sharper, it's a false reassurance, and we love lying to ourselves. 

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I miss the fanzine....... Id really like to read that article on Klopp and the crowd. It does my head in and he needs to pack it in. Maybe worth bringing up in an ESPN article Dave, although I know you couldn't give it the full treatment in that editorially.

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He'll go fucking ape shit, when I unveil by new 

 

I miss the fanzine....... Id really like to read that article on Klopp and the crowd. It does my head in and he needs to pack it in. Maybe worth bringing up in an ESPN article Dave, although I know you couldn't give it the full treatment in that editorially.

 

He'll go fucking ape shit, when I unveil my new "KLOPP OUT" banner, at the next home game.

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If he needs to shout at anyone at Anfield it's certain players, because if he is doing it behind closed doors it isn't working. There has always been murmurs in the crowd, we had bad runs when we were great, best way to get the fans full support is to perform. But the players need the fans ?

Should need no motivation, the fans support but it's the same shit year after. The manager is shouting at fans who have known what we needed for years, knowledgable fans not idiots.

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If he needs to shout at anyone at Anfield it's certain players, because if he is doing it behind closed doors it isn't working. There has always been murmurs in the crowd, we had bad runs when we were great, best way to get the fans full support is to perform. But the players need the fans ?

Should need no motivation, the fans support but it's the same shit year after. The manager is shouting at fans who have known what we needed for years, knowledgable fans not idiots.

Think the debate is becoming quite polarized now between the "Its the fans fault" vs "Its the players".

 

I think the point you've made there though is the most important. Every fucker and their dog knew we needed to buy a better centre half than Klavan at the very least. There is simply no reasonable debate to be had on that matter other than someone being deliberately contrary.

 

By not doing buying a centre half its basically just fed the negativity and made a lot of people fear how it'll impact on our season. And we're already seeing some evidence that peoples fears were justified.

 

I understand people saying whats done is done and what else can we do but support. They are 100% bang on. But it just doesn't alter the facts on the ground. We've left ourselves badly exposed until January and unless we stop shipping goals the way we are we'll struggle to have a good season. That is simple reality.

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We all contribute to it.

 

But the bottom line is it's just a difference in outlook by the parties involved. Some fans have short fuses, some fans think things should happen yesterday, Klopp might not understand the moaning having come from Dortmund where he considered everyone in the stadium was on the same side?

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