Donald Trump

[Stickman]

Trump appointing a man who's 2007 book was entitled  "Surrender Is Not An Option" as National Security Advisor...  

 

It's only going to end one way...

 

 

[Anny Road]

Trump appointing a man who's 2007 book was entitled  "Surrender Is Not An Option" as National Security Advisor...  

 

It's only going to end one way...

 

 

If you read Napoleons essays on war he always said that any commander should always insist surrender was not an option. To simply have it as an option meant it more likely in the event of misjudgment or cowardice. It was always a correct decision if tactically justified.

The Japanese had a similar mantra. As much to intimidate the enemy as to prevent the act of surrender itself.

[magicrat]

I think for the first time since Trump got in I am genuinely worried he may kick of something that spins rapidly out of control and involves use of nuclear weapons, The Russia probe is getting close and driving him mental , He is looking for a conflict to divert attention and kill it off, 

I would not like to be the meat in the sandwich living in Seoul or Tehran right now . The worst part is he has fucked up everything he's touched and the law of unexpected consequences may well signal disaster for all of us, He needs a bullet in the back of the head sooner rather than later I'm afraid for everyone's sake. Even that space cadet Pence is looking like a good option right now.  

[TheHowieLama]

" surrender is not an option"

I watched the Darkest Hour the other night - heh....

[Hand Shandy]

If you read Napoleons essays on war he always said that any commander should always insist surrender was not an option. To simply have it as an option meant it more likely in the event of misjudgment or cowardice. It was always a correct decision if tactically justified.

The Japanese had a similar mantra. As much to intimidate the enemy as to prevent the act of surrender itself.

And how did that work out for them?

[Anny Road]

Napoleon won more victories than Alexander the great, Hannibal and Julius Cesar combined. Is regarded as one of the first and greatest military strategist. The Japs got nuked.

[Strontium]

I don't think the American population does clamour for war to be honest, probably the opposite, that's where hippy culture started. They're just dominated by a particularly hawkish legacy of warmongering politicians.

...who they keep electing.

 

Still, I'd love to hear more from the folks who argued Hillary would be more warmongery. They seem to be conspicuous by their absence these days.

[TheHowieLama]

Japs??!! Kinell is this 1955?

[s(k)aturation]

Napoleon won more victories than Alexander the great, Hannibal and Julius Cesar combined. Is regarded as one of the first and greatest military strategist. The Japs got nuked.

 

 

Indeed.

Not to mention the Napoleonic code, which basically set in stone and perpetuity, a blueprint for a more fair and secular Europe, which guaranteed the rights of individuals to give or not give a fuck about God on their own terms.  Which was a big deal in those days, and not bad for a dictator, warmonger and, some alleged, an anti-Christ.

[SasaS]

Somebody forgot to tell about the mantra to 600,000 Japanese soldiers captured by the Red Army in the Manchurian offensive.

[Stickman]

If you read Napoleons essays on war he always said that any commander should always insist surrender was not an option. To simply have it as an option meant it more likely in the event of misjudgment or cowardice. It was always a correct decision if tactically justified.

The Japanese had a similar mantra. As much to intimidate the enemy as to prevent the act of surrender itself.

That's Napoleon, this is John Bolton we're talking about who's a fucking loon and a man who even North Korea called human scum.

[Section_31]

...who they keep electing.

 

Still, I'd love to hear more from the folks who argued Hillary would be more warmongery. They seem to be conspicuous by their absence these days.

 

Do they though? Trump's shtick was that the was going to be insular and get away from being the world's policeman. 

[Anny Road]

Never said it was all encompassing. It would no doubt be a total many times that had it been seen as honourable.

[SasaS]

Bolton apparently dodged going to Vietnam because he didn't want to fight in an already lost war.

[Denny Crane]

Sasas beat me to it. Most of the warmongers like Cheney and Bolton Did their best to shirk any service but love to send other parents kids out to war and give no fucks at droning and bombing innocents.

 

Though Bolton supported the Vietnam War, he declined to enter combat duty, instead enlisting in the National Guard and attending law school after his 1970 graduation. "I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy," Bolton wrote of his decision in the 25th reunion book. "I considered the war in Vietnam already lost

[s(k)aturation]

Do they though? Trump's shtick was that the was going to be insular and get away from being the world's policeman. 

 

 

Yes, but being "the world's policeman" is the "honourable" lie and line of justification - for self-interested militarism - that every President before Trump used as justification for being international thuggish cunts.

 

Trump may have promised not to be the world's policeman and to be insular, but I don't recall him saying he wasn't going to be an international thuggish (cowardly, hypocritical, self-interested, insert any other familiar cuntish adjective for most US presidents in perpetuity) cunt. 

[Anny Road]

Trumps motivation is very simple. Brand Trump.

Will it increase his saleability? This is a business opportunity. Make a buck pure and simple.

Body bags coming home will not.

[s(k)aturation]

Trumps motivation is very simple. Brand Trump.

Will it increase his saleability? This is a business opportunity. Make a buck pure and simple.

Body bags coming home will not.

 

 

Body bags coming home has usually constituted a roaring trade for US Presidents though.  Trump might be too thick to envision that of course.

[Anny Road]

He is not an arms dealer or oil man. He sells his name, steaks and cheap suits.

[s(k)aturation]

Reagan sold B movies, but became a decorated international arms dealer (scrap metal merchant and French cabaret chanteuse).

 

Perhaps there's hope for our boy Trump in a second term.

 

Chubby Cheeks over on the Korean Peninsula is a potentially captive market.  There's no money in nuking him - sell them to him instead.

[mattyq]

Napoleon won more victories than Alexander the great, Hannibal and Julius Cesar combined. Is regarded as one of the first and greatest military strategist. The Japs got nuked.

There was only 1 undefeated General in the Anglo-French wars of the 18th and 19th century and it wasn't Napolean

They only ever faced each other once at Waterloo which was such a crushing and decisive victory that peace broke out and lasted for nearly 100 years on the European continent

Napolean was a monster who was directly responsible for the death of millions of people and he got smashed to pieces by a mad Irish man and a filthy rabble of an army made up of 'the scum of the earth'

[s(k)aturation]

There was only 1 undefeated General in the Anglo-French wars of the 18th and 19th century and it wasn't Napolean

They only ever faced each other once at Waterloo which was such a crushing and decisive victory that peace broke out and lasted for nearly 100 years on the European continent

Napolean was a monster who was directly responsible for the death of millions of people and he got smashed to pieces by a mad Irish man and a filthy rabble of an army made up of 'the scum of the earth'

 

 

And in the same 18th and 19th centuries, Britain's empire - characterised by the Duke of Wellington's mad older Irish brother in India - was indirectly terminating millions of lives by enslavement, throughout her glorious territories on which the sun never set.

 

And yet she found the generosity to spare the Napoleonic monster, with a nice Atlantic superannuation to boot.

[M_B]

If the US kick off against North Korea, Iran and Syria then the Russians will take the opportunity to expand West. We could be in for some interesting times.

[Anny Road]

There was only 1 undefeated General in the Anglo-French wars of the 18th and 19th century and it wasn't Napolean

They only ever faced each other once at Waterloo which was such a crushing and decisive victory that peace broke out and lasted for nearly 100 years on the European continent

Napolean was a monster who was directly responsible for the death of millions of people and he got smashed to pieces by a mad Irish man and a filthy rabble of an army made up of 'the scum of the earth'

Never said he won them all. Think he lost 6 out of 30. Mainly at the end of his time.

[Anubis]

There was only 1 undefeated General in the Anglo-French wars of the 18th and 19th century and it wasn't Napolean

They only ever faced each other once at Waterloo which was such a crushing and decisive victory that peace broke out and lasted for nearly 100 years on the European continent

Napolean was a monster who was directly responsible for the death of millions of people and he got smashed to pieces by a mad Irish man and a filthy rabble of an army made up of 'the scum of the earth'

Think you'll find that Richard Sharpe won the Battle of Waterloo while Wellington looked on in admiration.