Murdoch's Scum Credentials All In Order I See

[Section_31]

Not really, that would miss the point. I went black male because they are a specific section of society that have been left behind and don't seem to be sharing in this prosperity. Baltimore is a city with the market system and it doesn't seem to be doing a lot for prosperity; that was the point.

 

A quick google came up with Havana as having a life expectancy of 77. Havana is three times the size of Baltimore, but a little smaller then the Metropolitan Area of Baltimore, so not a million miles off.

 

I think that's a fair point.

 

America, and the west in general sells itself as some kind of beacon of light to the world, when in actual fact it's only the top and upper-middle echelons of their societies who have anything approaching a quality of life. For every home owner with two cars there'll be an elderly woman living alone in a piss-stained Glasgow high rise flat surrounded by smackheads.

 

America's health system neglects millions, it's infrastructure is poor (and is only being looked at as part of a fiscal stimulus, not because it would be a sensible end in itself) places like downtown Detroit have long since been neglected while the affluent abandon the city for the suburbs and 'county'.

 

The reason socialised medicine and infrastructure projects aren't popular - they've actually led to a decline in Obama's popularity - is because there's no money involved. If you're chasing money all the time, everything else gets left to rot. It's parasitic in nature, it takes something, squeezes it dry, then it throws it over its shoulder and moves to India or Shanghai.

[Catch22]

Just a quick point on the prosperity idea too. The life expectancy for a black male in Baltimore is 64.8 and the life expectancy for the same in Cuba is 76.

 

Live long and prosper.

 

People in Baltimore are free to leave & live in Cuba but hardly any do.

 

People in Cuba risk their lives to get to the US as it is worth the chance to leave a Socialist country.

 

People risked their lifes to cross the Iron Curtain in 1 direction only, they risked death to get over the Belin wall in 1 direction only, under Mao they went from China to HK in 1 direction only & the Vietnamese boat people braved the perils of the ocean to escape Socialism in 1 direction only.

[Stu Monty]

People in Baltimore are free to leave & live in Cuba but hardly any do.

 

People in Cuba risk their lives to get to the US as it is worth the chance to leave a Socialist country.

 

People risked their lifes to cross the Iron Curtain in 1 direction only, they risked death to get over the Belin wall in 1 direction only, under Mao they went from China to HK in 1 direction only & the Vietnamese boat people braved the perils of the ocean to escape Socialism in 1 direction only.

 

And people do the lottery every week; that doesn't mean that they are going to get what thay are hoping for. It's the human nature to think you'll be the one and that idea is marketed well on both counts.

 

Thinking you'll get greater prosperity and actually getting it are obviously very different things.

 

You know why it's called the American dream? Because you have to be asleep to believe it.

[paddyberger15]

He sounds like a modern day J Edgar Hoover.

 

What, you mean he's a cross dressing pansy?

[Anubis]

This could get interesting.

 

BBC News - News of the World 'hacked Milly Dowler phone'

 

 

 

News of the World 'hacked Milly Dowler phone'

 

An investigator working for the News of the World newspaper allegedly hacked into the mobile phone of murdered girl Milly Dowler, a lawyer has said.

 

Mark Lewis, who represents the Dowler family, said her parents were told by police that Glenn Mulcaire hacked into her phone while she was missing.

 

The Guardian has claimed he intercepted messages left by relatives and said the NoW deleted some it had listened to.

 

NoW owner, News Group Newspapers, has not yet responded to the reports.

 

Mr Lewis said the hacking dated from 2002 when the News of the World was under the editorship of Rebekah Brooks (nee Wade) - now News International's chief executive.

 

In a statement he said: "Sally and Bob Dowler have been through so much grief and trauma without further distressing revelations to them regarding the loss of their daughter.

 

"It is distress heaped upon tragedy to learn the News of the World have no humanity at such a terrible time.

 

"The fact that they were prepared to act in such a heinous way that could have jeopardised the police investigation and gave them false hope is despicable.

 

The Guardian claims that after Milly's voicemail facility became full, the News of the World deleted messages it had already listened to.

 

It quotes one source as saying that this gave false hope to friends and family, who mistakenly believed that Milly herself had cleared her message inbox and that therefore she was still alive.

 

By that time, she had been murdered by a nightclub doorman, Levi Bellfield, who was convicted of the killing last month.

 

[VladimirIlyich]

Yet again ignorant people dont understand the difference between communism and socialism.

[Section_31]

The Guardian and the NOTW are like Gandalf and the Witch King of Angmar.

[PestiRed]

I want to call their behaviour on the Milly Dowler case a new low but unfortunately it's not. They really are scum.

 

Also hope that the original police investigation on hacking is properly scrutinised now. How they missed this without being corrupt is a mystery to me

[Paulie Dangerously]

Wow

[melons]

I read this article earlier and whilst i respect the right to privacy ect, all that celeb crap was just that, crap. Anyone with more then one brain cell knew that and if they weighed so much importance on that 'news' well they've got sad little lives and need to get a grip. This, this actually made me squirm, how the cuntery fuck dare they do that. I really hope all of them are hung out to dry.

[Anubis]

Where on earth do you start with something like this? I mean, seriously.

 

Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail was hacked by News of the World | UK news | The Guardian

 

 

Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail was hacked by News of the World

 

Nick Davies and Amelia Hill

Monday 4 July 2011

 

 

The News of the World illegally targeted the missing schoolgirl Milly Dowler and her family in March 2002, interfering with police inquiries into her disappearance, an investigation by the Guardian has established.

 

Scotland Yard is investigating the episode, which is likely to put new pressure on the then-editor of the paper, Rebekah Brooks, now Rupert Murdoch's chief executive in the UK; and the then deputy editor, Andy Coulson, who resigned in January as the prime minister's media adviser.

 

The Dowlers' family lawyer this afternoon issued a statement in which he described the News of the World's activities as "heinous" and "despicable". He told the BBC this afternoon the Dowler family was now pursuing a damages claim against the News of the World.

 

Milly Dowler disappeared at the age of 13 on her way home in Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, on 21 March 2002.

 

Detectives from Scotland Yard's new inquiry into the phone hacking, Operation Weeting, are believed to have found evidence of the targeting of the Dowlers in a collection of 11,000 pages of notes kept by Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator jailed for phone hacking on behalf of the News of the World.

 

In the last four weeks the Met officers have approached Surrey police and taken formal statements from some of those involved in the original inquiry, who were concerned about how News of the World journalists intercepted – and deleted – the voicemail messages of Milly Dowler.

 

The messages were deleted by journalists in the first few days after Milly's disappearance in order to free up space for more messages. As a result friends and relatives of Milly concluded wrongly that she might still be alive. Police feared evidence may have been destroyed.

 

The Guardian investigation has shown that, within a very short time of Milly vanishing, News of the World journalists reacted by engaging in what was standard practice in their newsroom: they hired private investigators to get them a story.

 

Their first step was simple, albeit illegal. Paperwork seen by the Guardian reveals that they paid a Hampshire private investigator, Steve Whittamore, to obtain home addresses and, where necessary, ex-directory phone numbers for any families called Dowler in the Walton area. The three addresses Whittamore found could be obtained lawfully on the electoral register. The two ex-directory numbers, however, were "blagged" illegally from British Telecom's confidential records by one of Whittamore's associates, John Gunning, who works from a base in Wiltshire. One of the ex-directory numbers was attributed by Whittamore to Milly's family home.

 

Then, with the help of its own full-time private investigator, Glenn Mulcaire, the News of the World started illegally intercepting mobile phone messages. Scotland Yard is now investigating evidence that the paper hacked directly into the voicemail of the missing girl's own phone. As her friends and parents called and left messages imploring Milly to get in touch with them, the News of the World was listening and recording their every private word.

 

But the journalists at the News of the World then encountered a problem. Milly's voicemail box filled up and would accept no more messages. Apparently thirsty for more information from more voicemails, the News of the World intervened – and deleted the messages that had been left in the first few days after her disappearance. According to one source, this had a devastating effect: when her friends and family called again and discovered that her voicemail had been cleared, they concluded that this must have been done by Milly herself and, therefore, that she must still be alive. But she was not. The interference created false hope and extra agony for those who were misled by it.

 

The Dowler family then granted an exclusive interview to the News of the World in which they talked about their hope, quite unaware that it had been falsely kindled by the newspaper's own intervention. Sally Dowler told the paper: "If Milly walked through the door, I don't think we'd be able to speak. We'd just weep tears of joy and give her a great big hug."

 

The deletion of the messages also caused difficulties for the police by confusing the picture when they had few leads to pursue.It also potentially destroyed valuable evidence.

 

According to one senior source familiar with the Surrey police investigation: "It can happen with abduction murders that the perpetrator will leave messages, asking the missing person to get in touch, as part of their efforts at concealment. We need those messages as evidence. Anybody who destroys that evidence is seriously interfering with the course of a police investigation."

 

The paper made little effort to conceal the hacking from its readers. On 14 April 2002, it published a story about a woman allegedly pretending to be Milly Dowler who had applied for a job with a recruitment agency: "It is thought the hoaxer even gave the agency Milly's real mobile number … The agency used the number to contact Milly when a job vacancy arose and left a message on her voicemail … It was on March 27, six days after Milly went missing, that the employment agency appears to have phoned her mobile."

 

The newspaper also made no effort to conceal its activity from Surrey police. After it had hacked the message from the recruitment agency on Milly's phone, the paper informed police about it. It was Surrey detectives who established that the call was not intended for Milly Dowler. At the time, Surrey police suspected that phones belonging to detectives and to Milly's parents also were being targeted.

 

One of those who was involved in the original inquiry said: "We'd arrange landline calls. We didn't trust our mobiles."

 

However, they took no action against the News of the World, partly because their main focus was to find the missing schoolgirl and partly because this was only one example of tabloid misbehaviour. As one source close to the inquiry put it: "There was a hell of a lot of dirty stuff going on." Two earlier Yard inquiries had failed to investigate the relevant notes in Mulcaire's logs.

 

In a statement today, the family's lawyer, Mark Lewis of Taylor Hampton, said the Dowlers were distressed at the revelation. "It is distress heaped upon tragedy to learn that the News of the World had no humanity at such a terrible time. The fact that they were prepared to act in such a heinous way that could have jeopardised the police investigation and give them false hope is despicable," he said.

 

The News of the World's investigation was part of a long campaign against paedophiles championed by the then editor, Rebekah Brooks. The Labour MP Tom Watson last week told the House of Commons that four months after Milly Dowler's disappearance the News of the World had targeted one of the parents of the two 10-year-old Soham girls, Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells, who were abducted and murdered on 4 August 2002.

 

The behaviour of tabloid newspapers became an issue in the trial of Levi Bellfield, who last month was jailed for life for murdering Milly Dowler. A second charge, that he had attempted to abduct another Surrey schoolgirl, Rachel Cowles, had to be left on file after premature publicity by tabloids was held to have made it impossible for the jury to reach a fair verdict. The tabloids, however, focused their anger on Bellfield's defence lawyer, complaining that the questioning had caused unnecessary pain to Milly Dowler's parents.

 

Surrey police referred all questions on the subject to Scotland Yard, who said they could not discuss it.

 

The News of the World's parent company News International, part of Murdoch's media empire, said: "We have been co-operating fully with Operation Weeting since our voluntary disclosure in January restarted the investigation into illegal voicemail interception. This particular case is clearly a development of great concern and we will be conducting our own inquiries. We will obviously co-operate fully with any police request on this should we be asked."

[RoboRiise]

Yep, that's what I came here to post as well.

 

I just saw this reported via the Reuters feed on my homepage and I had to read the headline at least five times before my brain succeeded in processing it. The only remotely positive thing I can say about this is that it's good to know that even as a pretty damn jaded and cynical 40 year old, there are still some things in the world with the ability to shock me.

 

I'm not prone to 'outraged of Basingstoke' style outbursts but seriously, Glenn Mulcaire should be doing time for this and if they were aware of the methods being used and sanctioned them, Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson should join him. This is one of the most sickening, disgraceful abuses of power, trust and basic fucking human decency that I can imagine - I sincerely hope that her parents try to take these fucking scumbags for everything they've got.

 

Just read this again:

 

Scotland Yard is now investigating evidence that the paper hacked directly into the voicemail of the missing girl's own phone. As her friends and parents called and left messages imploring Milly to get in touch with them, the News of the World was listening and recording their every private word.

 

But the journalists at the News of the World then encountered a problem. Milly's voicemail box filled up and would accept no more messages. Apparently thirsty for more information from more voicemails, the News of the World intervened – and deleted the messages that had been left in the first few days after her disappearance. According to one source, this had a devastating effect: when her friends and family called again and discovered that her voicemail had been cleared, they concluded that this must have been done by Milly herself and, therefore, that she must still be alive. But she was not. The interference created false hope and extra agony for those who were misled by it.

 

The Dowler family then granted an exclusive interview to the News of the World in which they talked about their hope, quite unaware that it had been falsely kindled by the newspaper's own intervention. Sally Dowler told the paper: "If Milly walked through the door, I don't think we'd be able to speak. We'd just weep tears of joy and give her a great big hug."

 

The deletion of the messages also caused difficulties for the police by confusing the picture when they had few leads to pursue.It also potentially destroyed valuable evidence.

 

Astonishing. Absolutely fucking astonishing. They have absolutely no shame. No way, no way at all should these scumbags be allowed to get away with this by throwing some money around.

[Hermes]

Blame the readers of the rags. They buy them to be entertained by gossip and tittle tattle. The editors insist on getting stories at any cost to entertain the brain dead readers. On and on it goes, nearly 3 million sold every Sunday.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

Fuck off Hermes, yer typical response, don't blame the dealers they only supply a product, blame the smackheads who demand the product. Everything is just too fucking facile with you.

[RobbieOR]

Blame the readers of the rags. They buy them to be entertained by gossip and tittle tattle. The editors insist on getting stories at any cost to entertain the brain dead readers. On and on it goes, nearly 3 million sold every Sunday.

 

A tory defending Murdoch. Well theres a turn up for the books.

[RoboRiise]

Blame the readers of the rags. They buy them to be entertained by gossip and tittle tattle. The editors insist on getting stories at any cost to entertain the brain dead readers. On and on it goes, nearly 3 million sold every Sunday.

 

 

No, I'll blame the despicable fucking cunts that put those sales and their associated profits ahead of the suffering of parents who waited six months to find out if their thirteen year old daughter was alive before her rotten corpse was finally discovered dumped in a field like discarded rubbish. If that's OK with you Hermes, obviously.

 

The free market is what is is but there comes a point where simple dignity has to take over. As I said, those responsible for this should be doing time; it's beyond any reasonable standard of human behaviour and if they lost sight of that in the pursuit of sales and profits, well fuck them with a chainsaw.

 

In a situation like that, the editorial team should have the sack to say bollocks to what the brain dead fucking retards that buy the News of the world want. Instead they totally dropped the ball and they should be made to take responsibility for it.

[bossy]

The fucking rag should be closed down. Work for Murdoch and you're scum, all the 'journalists' will have used this way of working to get stories. Steal the streams don't pay the company a penny and don't believe a word any of them utter. Twats.

[Hermes]

If people didn't buy it they they would change their ways or it wouldn't exist. I think I hit a nerve with some of the dead heads who obviously read it.

[bossy]

So if people buy it, it's ok to do what it does? Idiots buy The Sun, you defend that too?

[clangers]

If people didn't buy it they they would change their ways or it wouldn't exist. I think I hit a nerve with some of the dead heads who obviously read it.

 

It's a fair point, its exactly the same analogy as us consumers buying products from manufacturers that use child labour. You do have to take into account ignorance, readers of these rags didn't know the extent to which they'd sunk.

 

I'd suggest that now we all do know you really don't have much excuse for buying or reading the Sun, NOTW etc.

 

It's still the inherent corruption on show here with the police and political elite which is most shocking. The fact that they'd invade the privacy of a murder victim and family isn't actually suprising to me. They're all so terrified of Murdoch they've gone out of their way to shut this down. Even now the Murdoch empire is far from shall we say remorseful effectively trying to gag victims.

 

Really has to call into question Wade and Coulsons role surely? They knew absolutely nothing about widescale, systematic and endemic phone hacking over many years? As we know now not just targeted at celebrities. Who else have they gone after?

 

If Wade and Coulson really knew nothing about it then the only conclusion is that they are utterly incompetent. Same goes for Cameron although we already knew this.

[Hermes]

So if people buy it, it's ok to do what it does? Idiots buy The Sun, you defend that too?

 

I'm not defending it, far from it. I'm pointing out how to stop it. It won't happen though, because there are far too many people who want to read about what Katie Price did next/Which Premiership player is playing away/what Ant and Dec are up to/the latest X-factor argument.

 

It's the mentality of those numb-skulls that is perpetuating the sales of the paper.

[PestiRed]

You can argue that the free market should prevent this behaviour as sickened customers stop buying the product and to some extent you are right but it misses the point. We have a society with rules & laws that are designed to punish this behaviour whether it is economically viable or not. What has happened here is way beyond being left to be sorted by capitalist mechanisms and violates our society.

 

For me, the worst has been the fact that the police knew it was going on to the point that they switched their own calls to landlines. Despite this they felt there was no point trying to stop,or even report, the hacking because Murdoch's media was too powerful. Cameron has said today that the police should investigate without fear of where it will lead. It's an absolute disgrace that he should feel the need to make that statement and says a lot about to whom he thinks his electoral success is owed

[clangers]

Just cancel your Sky subscription, don't buy the Sun, NOTW, times etc.

 

It's the only message that Murdoch and co will listen to. I suspect it's hardly likely to happen though.

[Hoddy]

If people didn't buy it they they would change their ways or it wouldn't exist. I think I hit a nerve with some of the dead heads who obviously read it.

 

But papers are doing this purely because people AREN'T buying as many newspapers these days. Which shows the less papers people buy, the more nefarious 'journalists' are becoming to secure bigger stories. Which runs contrary to the argument above.

 

People will - rightly or wrongly (but basically wrongly) - always buy tabloids, purely out of habit for many. Just cos it's something they do. Whether we like it or not, and personally I don't, it's disingenuous to blame an individual for people hacking into a dead girl's phone. Do you think the reader really wanted the paper to do this? Really?

[Chairman Meow]

Only just found out about the Milly Dowler thing through a tweet by Graham Linehan.

 

Fucking hell! Journalism in this country is pretty fucking disgusting but that is just unbelievable.