At least they've stopped pretending

[an tha]

Having a dig about people moaning for the club to be upping capacity is not a 'good rebuttal' IMHO, Dockers - not to the clearly stated facts about how the club contributed to the decline of the area.

 

Again for clarity - I do think that finally (after such a long time) the club has better intentions these days and is finally becoming a better neighbour and as I already said for clarity I am not saying the club is totally to blame for the decline of the area over the years, but the years and years and years of indecision/inaction and silence over the redevelopment/relocation of the stadium was a major contributory factor.

 

As for the rest of the 'argument' well....as i said earlier:

 

All this heavy marketing and accelerated commercialism is us playing catch up after years of being 'behind' where the game was and has headed...

 

The Mancs were at it years ago when they were opening a megastore at the toilet whilst we still had that crappy little portacabin in the main stand car park!

 

It is all a part of what footy has become and it isn't going away any time soon - we as a club are now fully embracing it (with all the teeth itchingly shite parts of it) but when all is said and done it has to be 'tolerated' if we want to fight it out with our rivals financially as best as we can.

 

 

The good news is it is possible to ignore a lot of it - a fair bit of it has to have a blind eye turned to it and quite a bit of it is fully deserving of scorn, but in a game where money is king and is becoming more and more so the game the club is playing is a necessary evil...

 

I've just against all my 'instincts' renewed my membership for £35 or however much it is as it is my only route into the ground these days with the members sale/ACS and shelled out another £20 for my lad who is 8 and wants to go games now.

 

I hate paying it - but i want to go the game and i want to take my lad so i swallow it - they can stick it up their arses whatever they call it and the tacky shite they send out as a part of it but yeah I pay it because i wanna go the game.

[Dicko]

I don't get it.

 

Is there something I'm missing here? Isn't this the same membership scheme they've had for years?

 

They've crossed out Football Club.

[dockers_strike]

Having a dig about people moaning for the club to be upping capacity is not a 'good rebuttal' IMHO, Dockers - not to the clearly stated facts about how the club contributed to the decline of the area.

 

Again for clarity - I do think that finally (after such a long time) the club has better intentions these days and is finally becoming a better neighbour and as I already said for clarity I am not saying the club is totally to blame for the decline of the area over the years, but the years and years and years of indecision/inaction and silence over the redevelopment/relocation of the stadium was a major contributory factor.

 

As for the rest of the 'argument' well....as i said earlier:

 

All this heavy marketing and accelerated commercialism is us playing catch up after years of being 'behind' where the game was and has headed...

 

The Mancs were at it years ago when they were opening a megastore at the toilet whilst we still had that crappy little portacabin in the main stand car park!

 

It is all a part of what footy has become and it isn't going away any time soon - we as a club are now fully embracing it (with all the teeth itchingly shite parts of it) but when all is said and done it has to be 'tolerated' if we want to fight it out with our rivals financially as best as we can.

 

 

The good news is it is possible to ignore a lot of it - a fair bit of it has to have a blind eye turned to it and quite a bit of it is fully deserving of scorn, but in a game where money is king and is becoming more and more so the game the club is playing is a necessary evil...

 

I've just against all my 'instincts' renewed my membership for £35 or however much it is as it is my only route into the ground these days with the members sale/ACS and shelled out another £20 for my lad who is 8 and wants to go games now.

 

I hate paying it - but i want to go the game and i want to take my lad so i swallow it - they can stick it up their arses whatever they call it and the tacky shite they send out as a part of it but yeah I pay it because i wanna go the game.

 

There was no dig just a statement of fact. It is ok david Con going on about dereliction of housing stock. The fact remains how long have people been going on about increasing capacity. the two are mutually exclusive. You cannot have one without the other in a built up area like Anfield where the club has to deal with hundreds of households and landlords.

 

And I say it again Football family is a phrase used by Jurgen Klopp.

 

Someone posts Mansour builds a few pitches in Moss Side. Liverpool do it in Kirkby and nothing said.

 

Of course we are playing catch up regarding marketing etc. Once again where do people think money to operate the club as in buying players and their wages come from. Sure tv income ticket money and MERCHANDISING.

 

Some of the stuff the club does I wish we did not but these things happen. Shit happens in the world today. You make the best fist out of it that you can. Or at least I try to. Good evening.

[Dicko]

Oh please spare me. Remind me again how long some people have been mouthing off about increasing capacity.

 

You call that a good rebuttal?

[an tha]

There was no dig just a statement of fact. It is ok david Con going on about dereliction of housing stock. The fact remains how long have people been going on about increasing capacity. the two are mutually exclusive. You cannot have one without the other in a built up area like Anfield where the club has to deal with hundreds of households and landlords.

 

And I say it again Football family is a phrase used by Jurgen Klopp.

 

Someone posts Mansour builds a few pitches in Moss Side. Liverpool do it in Kirkby and nothing said.

 

Of course we are playing catch up regarding marketing etc. Once again where do people think money to operate the club as in buying players and their wages come from. Sure tv income ticket money and MERCHANDISING.

 

Some of the stuff the club does I wish we did not but these things happen. Shit happens in the world today. You make the best fist out of it that you can. Or at least I try to. Good evening.

Fair do's - i really don't think we were/are that far apart in our views on this one anyway.

 

Good evening to you.

[dockers_strike]

You call that a good rebuttal?

 

Yes because it was simple succinct and to the point.

[Dicko]

There was no dig just a statement of fact. It is ok david Con going on about dereliction of housing stock. The fact remains how long have people been going on about increasing capacity. the two are mutually exclusive. You cannot have one without the other in a built up area like Anfield where the club has to deal with hundreds of households and landlords.

 

And I say it again Football family is a phrase used by Jurgen Klopp.

 

Someone posts Mansour builds a few pitches in Moss Side. Liverpool do it in Kirkby and nothing said.

 

Of course we are playing catch up regarding marketing etc. Once again where do people think money to operate the club as in buying players and their wages come from. Sure tv income ticket money and MERCHANDISING.

 

Some of the stuff the club does I wish we did not but these things happen. Shit happens in the world today. You make the best fist out of it that you can. Or at least I try to. Good evening.

Bullshit.

The club were buying and leaving the area derelict since the days of Robinson.

They were still doing it when they had the ok to build the Parrydome then the Deathstar on Stanley Park.

What reason was there to do that if we were building nowhere near those houses?

[Dicko]

Yes because it was simple succinct and to the point.

And also totally wrong.

[Strontium]

As I never tire of pointing out, our club was founded in the 19th century by a Tory councillor who owned a stadium and needed a team to play in it because he'd turfed his previous tenants out for not making him enough money.

 

A lot of work has been put in to the intervening century and a quarter to construct a more noble mythology for our club, but that's what it is - mythology. The problems arise when people try to kid themselves that it's anything more than a myth designed to dress up what is and always has been, first and foremost, a fairly unsophisticated cash-making exercise.

[aRdja]

Having lived overseas until the last couple of years, Liverpool FC was always just a football club to me. I never fell for the illusion that it was anything but. Of late I’ve come to appreciate that football is a pretty silly and wonderful game at the same time. You build up this adulation for millionaires who don’t really give a jot about you. However on the other hand, you build friendships and bonds with other people you don’t know and have very little in common with otherwise, because of football. Most of the friends I’ve made in London for example, I’d say I’ve made because of our common interest in football. I’ve enjoyed pints with fellows TLW members too over the past couple of years, all around UK, and i think it’s pretty fucking great. I guess what I’m trying to say is, you could just take only whatever good this game has to offer. I don’t think it’s worth getting upset with the club for trying to make money off of you. For me the most important relationships are actually those between fellow supporters. If it’s no longer fun for you to support you could always just fuck it off do a Tony; focus your energy on generic supermarket biscuits.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

The supporters are the real family from years ago, not the club. Generations of working class families meeting up on match day, a tradition still going on to some extent today.

I am for various health reasons a rare visitor to Anfield in the last year, my Dad still goes.

In the 70's and 80's in particular my Nan's small two up two down off Blessington Rd would be full before the game, cups of tea, a few drops of the hard stuff for the adults in the winter and boozers on StDomingo Rd after the game. It was a right of passage, it meant a lot in the late 70's and early 80's because our success on the pitch was the only happiness a lot of people had, economically things were that bad.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

They've crossed out Football Club.

I never even noticed that.

 

It's just marketing twaddle, like "We come not to play" or "This means more" (or whatever this season's bullshit is). Nothing to lose sleep over.

[Section_31]

The supporters are the real family from years ago, not the club. Generations of working class families meeting up on match day, a tradition still going on to some extent today.

I am for various health reasons a rare visitor to Anfield in the last year, my Dad still goes.

In the 70's and 80's in particular my Nan's small two up two down off Blessington Rd would be full before the game, cups of tea, a few drops of the hard stuff for the adults in the winter and boozers on StDomingo Rd after the game. It was a right of passage, it meant a lot in the late 70's and early 80's because our success on the pitch was the only happiness a lot of people had, economically things were that bad.

Yep that's my take on it. The things that make Liverpool special are its history on the pitch, managers and noted players as well as the fan base.

 

The club itself reminds me of that posh bloke from the fast show when he gatecrashes Ted and his mates in the pub and they all stop talking.

 

"Hello fans! What's all this? Beer? Dry roasted nuts? I must start selling tbose in the club shop, with a small markup of course! Bye now, oh and you'll never walk alone etc etc!"

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Yep that's my take on it. The things that make Liverpool special are its history on the pitch, managers and noted players as well as the fan base.

The club itself reminds me of that posh bloke from the fast show when he gatecrashes Ted and his mates in the pub and they all stop talking.

"Hello fans! What's all this? Beer? Dry roasted nuts? I must start selling tbose in the club shop, with a small markup of course! Bye now, oh and you'll never walk alone etc etc!"

Must not forget Roger the nouveau football fan, camera in hand bag full of goodies.

[Ipplfc]

The idea that the club used to be some bastion of fan inclusivity is a myth. The club have never given a fuck about the fans. Ever.

Remember going with my old fella in the early 80’s some European game with us as reigning champs. After a convincing win I said I loved this club. He lectured me saying that this club you say you love is the most successful in Europe but heards you in like cattle and still has you queuing for 20 mins to piss in an open sewer. Fuck them. Love the team.

Nothing has changed just PR and marketing.

This is spot on,my son is 26 now,we still go the match together and I still tell him this every season,they never have and never will give a fuck about the fans

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

While people still fill the ground they couldn't give a shit. Infact TV money covers that anyway really.

[Chip Butty]

I never even noticed that.

 

It's just marketing twaddle, like "We come not to play" or "This means more" (or whatever this season's bullshit is). Nothing to lose sleep over.

 

Think we used(and lived) that one when Hodgson was here. 

[setreal]

Lfc is among my 5 favorite franchises.

[Jairzinho]

While people still fill the ground they couldn't give a shit. Infact TV money covers that anyway really.

 

Yep, although the latter would dry up if grounds were empty.

 

Turbo capitalism + loyalty = treated like shit.

[General Dryness]

Lfc is among my 5 favorite franchises.

It's certainly one of the most storied.

[VladimirIlyich]

I think Everton have been quite canny doing community stuff because they know they won't get their next generation of fans from abroad or down south because they're no draw, so they have to get them local and get then young. That being said, I know a few teachers who can't praise them enough in terms of the resources and stuff they provide when they're asked for help.

 

I'm indifferent about what clubs do to an extent, Liverpool are just doing what all the others are doing, that's the nature of the global beast and they can't be slagged off for dancing the dance.

 

Football is swings and roundabouts. Was watching highlights of the Liverpool v Everton 4-4 match recently before Kenny resigned and the pitch looked like the Somme. The sport was pretty fucking financially and resource poor back then, plus, for all the nostalgia about what it was like to be a fan back in the 70s, I've heard stories of violence from older family that'd turn your stomach, people getting golf balls lobbed at them or having hot tea thrown on them while they're stood there with their kids just watching a game.

 

It's a family sport now, (if you can afford it) you can take your wife and your kids, it's reasonably safe, the pitch and grounds are top class, the players are athletes who are expected to deliver both on and off the pitch - bear in mind not so long ago the existence of 'sportsmen' like Neil Ruddock was tolerated.

 

We've lost things - much of it down to changes in wider society and community IMO rather than just football - but we've gained things too. Rightly or wrongly it's an entertainment industry now.

No doubt that Everton have always been ahead of Liverpool,by some distance,in the Community stakes. Liverpool's bond has been formed by individual managers,players and personalities actually making an effort to have a meaningful relationship with fans and regarding them as essential to the club's workings. How often did you see managers(of any club) passing out tickets to supporters who were piss wet through and had travelled hundreds of miles to watch their team without tickets? Or one who stopped the team coach to give fans a lift to the game because their car/van had broken down? We had a manager who did this? We also had a manager who comforted bereaved families after a disaster at one of its games? They are not myths and are something to be proud of,but they were great exceptions rather than the norm. Regarding Everton's good work in the community,I suppose it's easier to form those links if you are not a successful 'brand' and aren't actively looking to spread yourself around the globe as Liverpool have and still do. A cottage industry versus a global enterprise,if you like. Which would you prefer if one almost guaranteed a level of 'success' and the other struggled just to get along?

[ZonkoVille77]

This is my least favourite thread to masturbate to on here.

[Horus]

This is my least favourite thread to masturbate to on here.

 

Frigid.

[Dicko]

This is my least favourite thread to masturbate to on here.

 

[INTORRESTING]

It's certainly one of the most storied.

And one of the winningest, more trophies will come if we show enough sticktoitiveness.