Boxing 2018

[Kevin D]

The big shocker is that before the KO the judges had Wilder 1 round up somehow.... Utter joke.

Business as usual.

[Kevin D]

I had Ortiz up 6-3, but Joshua -Wilder may be the biggest money fight in the sport and refs and judges know how their bread is buttered.

 

Parker needs a KO to get a draw in Cardiff.

[Jairzinho]

Wilder and Joshua are the two best heavy weights in the world. Christ.

 

One that doesn't move and gets tired after a few minutes, and the other that looks like he's in a pub brawl.

[Boss]

I can't see how Joshua beats him. He can take a punch and come back from it. He's got heart, boundless stamina to throw power shots for a full 12 rounds and he's got electric power that stuns absolutely everyone he faces. 

[Kevin D]

I can't see how Joshua beats him. He can take a punch and come back from it. He's got heart, boundless stamina to throw power shots for a full 12 rounds and he's got electric power that stuns absolutely everyone he faces. 

 

 

One of the good things about this matchup is, we will get an answer very shortly.

 

I don't think I have ever seen a long reigning WBC titleholder as poor as Beyonce. He's now been comprehensively outboxed by 5 different boxers, before he windmilled them, and one of them was visibly on the take(Malik Scott). 

 

It goes without saying that I rate your opinion and you know what you're talking about, but Windmill is as disastrous a world champion in the sport today.

[Kevin D]

Ortiz is easily in his 40s and would have won tonight, if he wasn't absolutely knackered.

[Boss]

One of the good things about this matchup is, we will get an answer very shortly.

 

I don't think I have ever seen a long reigning WBC titleholder as poor as Beyonce. He's now been comprehensively outboxed by 5 different boxers, before he windmilled them, and one of them was visibly on the take(Malik Scott). 

 

It goes without saying that I rate your opinion and you know what you're talking about, but Windmill is as disastrous a world champion in the sport today.

 

I agree with everything you've said. He was getting comprehensively outboxed in the Washington and Ortiz fights, you're right, he windmills, technically he is poor, but he's 40-0 with 39 knockouts. The stats don't lie. He ices everyone. So in the end it doesn't matter whether you outbox him or not because you're getting stopped one way or another.

 

If Joshua fought like Lennox Lewis,  i'd say "easy win for Joshua", but because Joshua is so static (head movement wise) he's really tailor made for Wilder. He doesn't strike me as a fighter that's particularly defensively aware. If Wilder loses i can see it being a Scott Quigg scenario where he's fought exactly the wrong type of fight because if he just lets his hands go and really goes after Joshua i can't imagine it lasting too long. 

[Kevin D]

I think Joshua is a 7.5, but I have Wilder at 4.5. 

 

If Beyonce had 40 fights back in one of the prime heavyweight eras, like the 90s and 70s, he would have been eaten alive. Guys like Bert Cooper, Ray Mercer, Jerry Quarry, George Chuvalo would have exposed him to the world, before he got the chance to really step up.

 

Foreman, Lewis, Holyfield, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Ali, and Tyson are the blokes who would be laying Joshua out. 

 

It's annoying when we talk about the fight, because you think Wilder is slightly less shit than I do, so I end up turning into Eddie Hearn/Sky hype team about how nice Joshua's jab is and how he carries fight ending power and poise etc, but I don't think he's that good either.

 

I would strongly fancy both Usyk and Gassiev* to step up and outbox, then knock him clean out.

 

 

*I believe Gassiev owns a one punch knock out of the WBA regular champ in the amateurs.

[Captain Turdseye]

Just got up and watched it without looking at my phone. I was absolutely gutted when he got saved by the bell at the end of the 7th. Didn’t think Ortiz had it in him.

[Boss]

I think Joshua is a 7.5, but I have Wilder at 4.5. 

 

If Beyonce had 40 fights back in one of the prime heavyweight eras, like the 90s and 70s, he would have been eaten alive. Guys like Bert Cooper, Ray Mercer, Jerry Quarry, George Chuvalo would have exposed him to the world, before he got the chance to really step up.

 

Foreman, Lewis, Holyfield, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Ali, and Tyson are the blokes who would be laying Joshua out. 

 

It's annoying when we talk about the fight, because you think Wilder is slightly less shit than I do, so I end up turning into Eddie Hearn/Sky hype team about how nice Joshua's jab is and how he carries fight ending power and poise etc, but I don't think he's that good either.

 

I would strongly fancy both Usyk and Gassiev* to step up and outbox, then knock him clean out.

 

 

*I believe Gassiev owns a one punch knock out of the WBA regular champ in the amateurs.

 

Ray Mercer might have but Cooper, Quarry and Chuvalo would've got stopped. Don't think Norton or Frazier would've stood a chance with him either (as controversial as that sounds). Norton had shaky whiskers and Frazier wouldn't be able to hit him - his reach is something like 84 inches. 

 

It's a worse era than the 70's or 90's but we forget the 80's was mainly Holmes and Tyson up against a 'bum of the month' club. It's unfair to compare eras because the prestige of being Heavyweight Champion is not what it was. Nowadays it's all about the NBA and the NFL for inner city kids, the days of the Heavyweight Champion being the highest accolade in sport are over, so with it the talent pool vastly diminishes. 

 

Then you've also got to factor in the rampant PED abuse of the 80's and 90's vs todays VADA level testing and also the size difference of the fighters. Wilder is beating whatever gets put in front of him and that's all he can do. The likes of Louis, Marciano and Holmes are revered for doing the same thing. If he beats Joshua, history will look back on him with a different slant than the one we all have now - having experienced the era first hand. 

[Captain Turdseye]

Eddie needs to get it on straight after the Parker fight. No fucking around with mandatories.

[Kevin D]

Smoking Joe was small, but he was also a pressure fighter, who had 15 rounds of stamina and an excellent inside game

 

What would any of these do, when he feignted , got inside and ripped to the body? When was the last time you saw dedicated body punching from a heavyweight?

[Boss]

Smoking Joe was small, but he was also a pressure fighter, who had 15 rounds of stamina and an excellent inside game

 

What would any of these do, when he feignted , got inside and ripped to the body? When was the last time you saw dedicated body punching from a heavyweight?

 

He wouldn't get inside, sadly. Frazier would be ducking under in typical peekaboo fashion and Wilder would just control Fraziers head with his outstretched left glove (like a midget at arms length). Every time Frazier loaded up with a left hook Wilder would lean back and he'd miss. Then when he got near the inside, Wilder would tie him up with both arms and lean down on him. It'd look not to dissimilar to the first Striverne fight. 

[Brownie]

Boxing is corrupt as fuck. All 3 judges had Wilder ahead on the cards. What?!

[Aventus]

Just sad isn't it?

 

[Kevin D]

He wouldn't get inside, sadly. Frazier would be ducking under in typical peekaboo fashion and Wilder would just control Fraziers head with his outstretched left glove (like a midget at arms length). Every time Frazier loaded up with a left hook Wilder would lean back and he'd miss. Then when he got near the inside, Wilder would tie him up with both arms and lean down on him. It'd look not to dissimilar to the first Striverne fight. 

 

 

We are going to have to revisit this over the next 10 years.

 

As fucking if Beyonce has the craft to stop Frazier getting inside, with his limited understanding of range, craft and his pissant jab. That is preposterous. 

[Brownie]

Ortiz was miles ahead for me.

[Kevin D]

Lennox Lewis could, but Beyonce? 

 

I really don't see it, myself.

[Jay86]

With the judges it would all depend on whether they scored the 7th a 10-8 round to Ortiz, if they didn’t then it would make sense that Wilder was closer or even ahead on some cards. If they did still score it 10-8 then something dodgy went on there because there’s no way Wilder outboxed him in any round, just had a few knockdowns.

 

He gets the job done in the end every time, I just think AJ will knock him out early and easily. If and it’s a big if for me, it goes past the 5/6th round Wilder will knock him out because of Joshua’s obvious stamina issues.

 

Who was Wilder about to punch when the announcer was in the ring, anyone know?

[loadsoftrophies]

I think we're in a great little era of heavyweight boxing, they're not going to be all time greats by any stretch but it's damn fun to watch, Josuha v Wlad was fight of the year and last night was an fun boxer vrs puncher contest.  I thought Ortiz boxed really well last night and was controlling the fight but Wilder hung in as that power he has is unreal, Ortiz is one tough man but he got hurt bad by Wilder.  I think Wilder is great fun, he's good in interviews and he showed alot of class after the fight.  He's not technially great but when you have that explosive power his fights are exciting to watch.  Also delighted for Lou di Bella as he's one of my favourite people in boxing. 

 

We have Parker and Joshua next and hopefully the winner fights Wilder with Fury waiting on the wings. Heavyweight has been very boring for so long it's great seeing the divison like this again where there's a few live contenders fighting to be the top dog.

I'd also like to see Ortiz get another shot at at title, it's a pity he's waited this long and he's an excellent boxer.

[loadsoftrophies]

Ortiz was miles ahead for me.

 

Think i had him 1 round ahead going into the 10th. 

[Boss]

We are going to have to revisit this over the next 10 years.

 

As fucking if Beyonce has the craft to stop Frazier getting inside, with his limited understanding of range, craft and his pissant jab. That is preposterous. 

 

Hahahaha i suppose it's all hypothetical anyway. We tend to overrate the older fighters because they also come with a mythology surrounding them. Wladimir Klitschko was supposedly shite and chinless in his prime and now he's a legend of the sport. Don't get me wrong i love the older fighters and some of them would give the fighters of our era a good hiding but a 5 foot 11 fighter vs the Super Heavyweights of today - i can't see it.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Wilder is such a gangly swinging puncher. It’s weird.

[fowlerisgod]

Enjoyed the fight last night. Was boring in patches but when they came together, it was exciting. I had Ortiz well ahead personally.

 

Wilder carries incredible power and knocks out anybody in the division. He only needs to hit you once and you're feeling the power.

 

AJ v Wilder is the fight that needs to be made and for me, it's whoever hits who first. Both of them have been hurt and come back to win. Both have flaws. Both have power. It's an exciting fight.

 

Technically, Wilder is so poor, though. At times, he's funny to watch. Him & Eubank JR (obviously not the same weight) look similar with how bad technically they are/can be.

 

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[dickie mint]

Ortiz was ahead until he got stopped,he just beat Wilder to the jab in the early rounds it got a bit lively 7 onwards,,Ortiz had him under the cosh in 7 and it was lucky the bell came for Wilder,it was shite really Wilder put him away and showed he could stop someone after been under pressure like he should do nothing special,we'll just get the usual garbage on Sky until he meets AJ,pretty boring really.