IFAB proposes 60 minute games and other changes

[jimmycase]

Hmmm. Some sound interesting proposals such as changing the order of penalty shoot outs, the ball doesnt have to stop for a goal kick to be taken and more stopping the watch when the ball's out of play. There's far too much time wasting in games today that the ref could eliminate even today. Mig better watch out for the 6 second rule being enforced though.

 

Dont like the idea of two 30 minute halves though, just doesnt seem right making that radical change to me.

 

World football’s rule-makers are to consider a proposal to reduce each half of a game to 30 minutes in a bid to prevent time-wasting.

 

The International Football Association Board (Ifab) has outlined a raft of radical proposed changes to the rules of the game in a new strategy document titled Play Fair! Adopting two halves of 30 minutes with the clock stopped when the ball goes out of play is one of dozens of ideas put forward by Ifab in an attempt to make football more attractive.

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Ifab says the Fair Play! document has three aims – to improve player behaviour and increase respect, to increase playing time and to increase fairness and attractiveness. “Many people are very frustrated that a typical 90-minute match has fewer than 60 minutes of effective (actual) playing time (EPT) i.e. when the ball is in play,” Ifab said in the document. “The strategy proposes measures to reduce time-wasting and ‘speed up’ the game.”

 

Ifab said some of the proposals could be implemented immediately and require no law changes, while some are “ready for testing/experiments” and some are “for discussion”.

 

Among the ideas up for discussion is that of a player being allowed to pass to themselves at a free-kick, corner and goalkick, a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee’s watch, and allowing a goalkick to be taken even if the ball is moving.

 

Other ideas up “for discussion” include referees blowing for half-time or full-time only when the ball goes out of play, and a penalty kick being either scored or missed/saved, with players not allowed to follow up to score, in order to stop encroachment into the penalty area.

 

Plans which need no law changes mostly apply to Ifab’s bid to combat time-wasting. The document says match officials should be stricter on the rule which allows goalkeepers to hold the ball for six seconds.

 

Ifab suggests match officials should be stricter on time-keeping, stopping their watch from a penalty being awarded to the spot-kick being taken, from a goal being scored until the match resumes from the kick-off, and from the signal of a substitution to play restarting.

 

The proposals already being tested include the idea of only allowing captains to speak to referees to prevent match officials being mobbed. This is being trialled at the Confederations Cup in Russia, which started on Saturday.

Another proposal already being tested is a change to the order of penalty kicks in shootouts, known as ABBA. Instead of teams taking alternate penalties, the new system involves team A taking the first kick, then team B taking two, then team A taking two.

 

“The ‘first’ kick in kicks from the penalty mark has a built-in advantage primarily because there is greater mental pressure on the second kicker (in each round) who often faces instant elimination if they miss their kick (especially once the first four kicks for each team have been completed),” the document says.

 

Ifab is made up of world football’s governing body, Fifa, and the four British home football associations and is responsible for making the final decision on law changes. The Play Fair! document will be discussed at various meetings before decisions are taken on whether to develop ideas further or discard them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/17/football-rule-makers-reducing-games-60-minutes

[VladimirIlyich]

There is already a thread on this somewhere.

[Pidge]

Shitness of modern football?

 

I am amazed that David fucking Ellery still has any relevance whatsoever in football. He shouldn't.

[Creator Supreme]

Stop killing football you twats!

[VladimirIlyich]

Moneyball.

[Creator Supreme]

So 60 minute games eh? How about 15 minute quarters instead of halves? How about when the clock is stopped throwing in a few messages from our sponsors? How about helmets and padding?

 

I know lets become part of the NFL and have done with it!!

[Paulie Dangerously]

So 60 minute games eh? How about 15 minute quarters instead of halves? How about when the clock is stopped throwing in a few messages from our sponsors? How about helmets and padding?

 

I know lets become part of the NFL and have done with it!!

 

Don't give them any ideas

[Creator Supreme]

They don't need my help mate, the voices in their heads are all they need!

[joe_fishfish]

It wouldn't be 30 minute halves really. Right now the ball is only in play for like 25-30 minutes per half so the matches wouldn't be any shorter, they'd be longer if anything.

 

It'd kill off some of the timewastey bullshit from teams managed by cowardly alehouse cunts like Pulis, Allardyce or Mourinho. I'm all for it.

[JustTosh]

It wouldn't be 30 minute halves really. Right now the ball is only in play for like 25-30 minutes per half so the matches wouldn't be any shorter, they'd be longer if anything.

 

It'd kill off some of the timewastey bullshit from teams managed by cowardly alehouse cunts like Pulis, Allardyce or Mourinho. I'm all for it.

In principle I agree with you. Playing 30 mins stopping the clock is better.

 

Problem is it opens up the possibility to be exploited for commercial uses.

 

In my inner eye I can see this scenario:

 

A perfect ball, just on-side, is played to Mane. Mane runs and scores! As video ref is on, they run a replay to see if Mane was offside or not. The commentary says: “they’re now checking if Mane was offside or not. While we await the decision here’s a word from our sponsors. When we’re back we’ll tell you if Liverpool has taken the lead. Don’t go away!”

 

The goal is given rather instantly. Inside the stadium players and fans wait for 2 mins for the ref to restart the game.

 

Yes the game will be longer, maybe much longer. The big finals might take up to 3 hours to finish, that is if there’s no extra time to be played

[Lee909]

Does the game work as is?

 

Yes

 

Leave it fucking alone

 

Just allow freekick with a moving ball

[Russ Atmosphere]

tbf I think something needs doing about timewasting, and also refs who don't use cards because they're so matey with players. Both of those ruin games.

[jimmycase]

If this subject is in another thread, maybe the mods can delete or merge this into it? That's the problem if everything gets lumped into one massive thread.

 

30 minute halves and stopping the clock when the ball's out of play sounds good. Until you realise if they just fucking applied it properly now no one would be coming up with ideas like two 30 minute halves.

 

Tell you what the should be looking at instead of stupid ideas like this, it when a defender puts their body between the ball and opponent to 'shepherd' the ball out of play. That grips my shit every game even when we do it. It's blatant obstruction in my book.

[VladimirIlyich]

If this subject is in another thread, maybe the mods can delete or merge this into it? That's the problem if everything gets lumped into one massive thread.

 

30 minute halves and stopping the clock when the ball's out of play sounds good. Until you realise if they just fucking applied it properly now no one would be coming up with ideas like two 30 minute halves.

 

Tell you what the should be looking at instead of stupid ideas like this, it when a defender puts their body between the ball and opponent to 'shepherd' the ball out of play. That grips my shit every game even when we do it. It's blatant obstruction in my book.

Its all about 'playing distance' so is dependent on the ref's opinion.

[Nomad]

tbf I think something needs doing about timewasting, and also refs who don't use cards because they're so matey with players. Both of those ruin games.

I think a change I would make for timewasting is GK's have to take the kick the same side the ball went out, similer to corners

[torahboy]

I think a change I would make for timewasting is GK's have to take the kick the same side the ball went out, similer to corners

 

 

They changed the 'law' from the very regulation you advocate to the existing practice of taking the goal kick from any part of the six yard box.At the time they claimed this would cut down on time wasting. Worked out well, didn't it?

 

I started watching the game in 1960/61 season and since that time I can't think of too many law changes that have improved the game. The offside law was straightforward compared to the fucking jumble it has become now; 'inactive' and 'active' players, 'second phase' situations, being in line with the last defender is onside but if your nose is beyond that line you are offside, 'cos you can score with your nose. Utter fucking nonsense, and, seeing as Elleray is involved, absolute fucking 'nonce sense'*.

 

What improves the game is the ability of the players involved.

 

 

*Chris Morris.

[The Guest]

They changed the 'law' from the very regulation you advocate to the existing practice of taking the goal kick from any part of the six yard box.At the time they claimed this would cut down on time wasting. Worked out well, didn't it?

 

I started watching the game in 1960/61 season and since that time I can't think of too many law changes that have improved the game. The offside law was straightforward compared to the fucking jumble it has become now; 'inactive' and 'active' players, 'second phase' situations, being in line with the last defender is onside but if your nose is beyond that line you are offside, 'cos you can score with your nose. Utter fucking nonsense, and, seeing as Elleray is involved, absolute fucking 'nonce sense'*.

 

What improves the game is the ability of the players involved.

 

 

*Chris Morris.

I always see people whinging about the goal kick thing. I just always assumed they were retards who never played football. Similar to people who scream for offside from a goal kick or can't take a throw in. I'm 31 and remember when I was younger you could take the goal kick from anywhere in the 6 yard box and that was 20 odd years ago.

 

Can you point me to somewhere that backs up your claim that you used to have to take goal kicks from a certain side and this was changed? I always got the impression keepers just weren't as savvy and cynical as they are today and just took it from the side it went out because that's what any normal person would do. With the addition of shithouses like Mourinho every second that can be wasted is. The 30 minute halves are a drastic measure but something I think is necessary to stop cunts like him ruining the game.

 

There's plenty of rule changes over the years which have improved the game and they are necessary. Players and managers are always thinking of ways to exploit the current rules and unless you address these problems then the game will get worse because of it.

 

The pass back, timing the keeper can hold the hold, tackling from behind, two footed tackles. More recently the rule that means if you accidentally bring someone down and don't just cynically bring someone down for a penalty then you aren't sent off is a good one.

[torahboy]

I always see people whinging about the goal kick thing. I just always assumed they were retards who never played football. Similar to people who scream for offside from a goal kick or can't take a throw in. I'm 31 and remember when I was younger you could take the goal kick from anywhere in the 6 yard box and that was 20 odd years ago.

 

Can you point me to somewhere that backs up your claim that you used to have to take goal kicks from a certain side and this was changed? I always got the impression keepers just weren't as savvy and cynical as they are today and just took it from the side it went out because that's what any normal person would do. With the addition of shithouses like Mourinho every second that can be wasted is. The 30 minute halves are a drastic measure but something I think is necessary to stop cunts like him ruining the game.

 

There's plenty of rule changes over the years which have improved the game and they are necessary. Players and managers are always thinking of ways to exploit the current rules and unless you address these problems then the game will get worse because of it.

 

The pass back, timing the keeper can hold the hold, tackling from behind, two footed tackles. More recently the rule that means if you accidentally bring someone down and don't just cynically bring someone down for a penalty then you aren't sent off is a good one.

 

 

 

It's fucking time consuming trying to find former laws of football. The 'goal kick' law was changed, I reckon about  the early 1990s. But it was changed. Referees would make goalkeepers take the kick from the side of the goal at which the ball went out of play. If it was too central on the six yard line the referee would again have it replaced.

 

Here's the best I can find at the moment. Page 11. http://footballwest.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/IFAB_LoG_FAQ_v4.0.pdf

 

I think it's an American site. Sorry about that. Fucking 'soccer', indeed.

[jimmycase]

I always see people whinging about the goal kick thing. I just always assumed they were retards who never played football. Similar to people who scream for offside from a goal kick or can't take a throw in. I'm 31 and remember when I was younger you could take the goal kick from anywhere in the 6 yard box and that was 20 odd years ago.

 

Can you point me to somewhere that backs up your claim that you used to have to take goal kicks from a certain side and this was changed? I always got the impression keepers just weren't as savvy and cynical as they are today and just took it from the side it went out because that's what any normal person would do. With the addition of shithouses like Mourinho every second that can be wasted is. The 30 minute halves are a drastic measure but something I think is necessary to stop cunts like him ruining the game.

 

There's plenty of rule changes over the years which have improved the game and they are necessary. Players and managers are always thinking of ways to exploit the current rules and unless you address these problems then the game will get worse because of it.

 

The pass back, timing the keeper can hold the hold, tackling from behind, two footed tackles. More recently the rule that means if you accidentally bring someone down and don't just cynically bring someone down for a penalty then you aren't sent off is a good one.

 

Up until the late 90's a goal kick had to be taken from the side of the goal that the ball went out of play. Sometimes refs would point to which side of the 6 yard box where the ball had sailed over the crossbar and the keeper didnt see or know which side it actually went out.

 

The keeper could take the kick from a line anywhere in the middle of the 6 yard box to the left or right hand side although most keepers placed it bang on the line.

 

What you have now is some keepers wasting time by grabbing the ball from the side it went out and walking to the opposite side of the box, looking at the ground and making a divot to sit it on before kicking.

[jimmycase]

It's fucking time consuming trying to find former laws of football. The 'goal kick' law was changed, I reckon about  the early 1990s. But it was changed. Referees would make goalkeepers take the kick from the side of the goal at which the ball went out of play. If it was too central on the six yard line the referee would again have it replaced.

 

Here's the best I can find at the moment. Page 11. http://footballwest.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/IFAB_LoG_FAQ_v4.0.pdf

 

I think it's an American site. Sorry about that. Fucking 'soccer', indeed.

 

Er actually http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2657548/A-game-two-names-Historians-reveal-America-calls-football-soccer-British-blame.html

 

I can remember as a kid going and playing 'soccer.' Yeah we also called it 'footie' too.

[The Guest]

It looks as though it is indeed me who is the retard this time. Although I was right about it being this way for 20 odd years, basically from when I started playing football the rule was anywhere in the 6 yard box. It was 92 it was changed not the late 90's.

 

http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we-are/the-laws/1990-2000.html

[torahboy]

Er actually http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2657548/A-game-two-names-Historians-reveal-America-calls-football-soccer-British-blame.html

 

I can remember as a kid going and playing 'soccer.' Yeah we also called it 'footie' too.

 

 

I read or heard somewhere that the term 'soccer' originated from a public school, probably Rugby, to distiinguish it from 'rugger' when talking of football. The 'Association' being abbreviated to 'Assoc' and then on from that.

 

'Rugger' was the nineteenth century term for homosexual rimming.

[jimmycase]

It looks as though it is indeed me who is the retard this time. Although I was right about it being this way for 20 odd years, basically from when I started playing football the rule was anywhere in the 6 yard box. It was 92 it was changed not the late 90's.

 

http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we-are/the-laws/1990-2000.html

 

Cool. I looked on the FIFA History of rules but couldnt see anything. Could have sworn it was late 90s but early 90's it is.