Can, Lucas, Moreno, Sturridge, Mignolet....

[Yerse]

 

Stewart - Jay Spearing. GET RID

 

 HAHAHA

[the chimp]

Posted this in match thread but feels more relevant here...

 

Our squad player by player...Grim.

 

Pretty much agree with all of that.

[Hades]

6-8 weeks of intensive Klopp summer coaching can improve players...for about 6-8 weeks. Then they slowly regress to their level without the ideas, movements and patterns fresh on their heads.

[Strontium]

Nobody puts Bobby on the corners

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

6-8 weeks of intensive Klopp summer coaching can improve players...for about 6-8 weeks. Then they slowly regress to their level without the ideas, movements and patterns fresh on their heads.

I think you have a point here. Not enough time during the season to maintain it, and it'll slowly fade out.

[Jairzinho]

Don't forget we've got Lloyd Jones to come back.

[Vivaldo]

Posted this in match thread but feels more relevant here...

 

Our squad player by player

 

Keepers

 

Mignolet - back up at best in a so called top side. GET RID

 

Karius - See above but open to more improvement possibly. KEEP

 

Manninger - What the actual fuck. IRRELEVANT.

 

Defenders

 

Clyne - Decent but not good enough going forward in our formation if your full backs are going to be your only real width they need better end product than Clyne. KEEP

 

Lovren - Decent back up nothing more. GET RID.

 

Gomez - Talented kid, progress disrupted badly by injuries...i am unsure he'll make it - may prove me wrong but he isn't the answer right now. KEEP

 

Klavan - Squad filler that we should have but of better quality. GET RID

 

Moreno - Never going to be the answer. GET RID

 

Matip - our best defender, injuries the worry...so far the only player i would say is definitely first team good enough week in week out. KEEP

 

TAA - Maybe in a couple of years. Potential. KEEP

 

Randall - Forget it, he'll be a championship at best level player. GET RID

 

 

 

Midfielders

 

 

Wijnaldum - I like him, but he is just steady - would be on the bench every week in a proper title chasing side for me. KEEP

 

Milner - Rock solid pro, teams need his sort but not playing at LB because we have nothing else there...he has done well there but it is a waste...again probably a bench job in a top side. KEEP

 

Coutinho - 2nd defo starter for me and potentially our only world class player. KEEP

 

Henderson - The captain of LFC...fucking hell, sorry but that shows what a state we are in, he isn't shite but he isn't captain of LFC level...or at least he wouldn't be usually. He isn't going to improve enough now would command a decent fee and be sound at a mid table ambition club - so...GET RID.

 

Grujic - Who knows? See if he can actually get and stay fit. KEEP

 

Lallana - For me the 3rd starter in sqiad so far - needs to be more consistent and would benefit from not being shunted around due to the holes in our squad. KEEP

 

Lucas - Thanks for all the effort over the years, lad but it is well past time you moved on now. GET RID

 

Can - Overrated show pony. Ponderous in thought and deed....wants twice as much time as he usually has and thinks he is twice as good as he is. GET RID

 

Stewart - Jay Spearing. GET RID

 

Ojo - Too early to say but certainly does not get near our team yet. KEEP

 

Forwards

 

Firmino - Not a false 9 and not a number 9....would be more effective in a different formation IMO. Starter number 4 so far. KEEP

 

 

Sturridge - Done and dusted. Shame. GET RID

 

Mane - Literally the only player we have who can stretch defenders and inject pace into our play. His absence showed just how unbalanced our squad is when the knock on effect of him being missing was other square pegs being hammered into round holes. Starter number 5. KEEP

 

Origi - The bench striker. KEEP

 

Ings - Fucked. Shame. GET RID.

 

We have virtually nobody out on loan worth mentioning aside from Ward who can come in and be 3rd choice keeper....Flanno who at his best would be handy back up and Sakho who for me would be the bench centre half but is clearly fucked due to what has gone on.

 

So for me out of our entire squad we have 5 definite starters and 10 solid enough squad players...which means 15 to start with as a base but half a dozen short of a proper first 11 that would challenge for title.

 

Grim.

Absolutely spot on. Now better get back off to retirement!

[Lario]

There's no point in signing a new 'keeper while Achterberg is here.

 

Surely with all the sports science and shit that's going on, someone must've spotted the link between our 'keepers going from decent enough to be signed to can't be given away?

[eeyore]

There's no point in signing a new 'keeper while Achterberg is here.

 

Surely with all the sports science and shit that's going on, someone must've spotted the link between our 'keepers going from decent enough to be signed to can't be given away?

You could also argue that they should have spotted that there may be some kind of link between our defensive record being fucking atrocious and our only recognised defensive midfielder being lucas for the best part of ten years

[Baltar]

Road House and Swayze rep for the OP.

[El Rojo]

Don't forget we've got Lloyd Jones to come back.

 

He sounds like a financial services company.

[Jairzinho]

He sounds like a financial services company.

 

He's going to consolidate all of our problems into one single manageable ball of excrement.

[TheHowieLama]

which means 15 to start with as a base but half a dozen short of a proper first 11 t

 

Wouldn't is be easier to just start supporting another team?

[Harry Squatter]

Bjornebye well watched Roadhouse on Saturday night. Utter genius film.

[plazzy]

I agree, stick in a few match winning mentalities and it will get the best out of those on the fringe. Having a good spine to a team is worth a lot more than some think. 

 

For me.

 

A proven keeper. 

 

Decent CB to partner Matip. 

 

A DM with an engine to link up play when not defending.

 

Pacey forward with a bit of height. 

 

Exactly this

[Barnesey]

 

A DM with an engine to link up play when not defending.

 

 

Henderson fits this bill exactly. I dont get the criticism

[TheHowieLama]

He does -- and he has been playing his role better than most.

 

The problem is neither Can or Wij have the ability on the ball to run the show so it ends up with Henderson turning it backwards or switching play constantly to no avail.

 

TBH this system we are playing now requires too much from the DM. There are very few players in the world that can influence games regulary as "deep playmakes". This is magnified when teams park their shiny buses - now the DM is handling the ball all the time. The player that should be running the show is in the Can/Wij role and neither of those are up to it.

[Rotpeter]

He does -- and he has been playing his role better than most.

 

The problem is neither Can or Wij have the ability on the ball to run the show so it ends up with Henderson turning it backwards or switching play constantly to no avail.

 

TBH this system we are playing now requires too much from the DM. There are very few players in the world that can influence games regulary as "deep playmakes". This is magnified when teams park their shiny buses - now the DM is handling the ball all the time. The player that should be running the show is in the Can/Wij role and neither of those are up to it.

 

In our preferred line up, I don't think playmaking is down to Henderson.  His primary responsibility is to protect the defence and funnel the play.  Likewise Can/Wij are about protecting the offence.  LaLana is primarily responsible for penetration and play-making the way I've seen it pan out.

 

Now all the usual caveats around everyone has to defend, everyone has to take offensive opportunities when they present themselves apply but on that front Lallana and to a lesser extent Can/Wij need to work on the balance of their play because the offensive sides of their games require more than just arriving late into the box.  It's easy to see what they should be doing when coutinho drops back into midfield.

 

TBH Henderson, shithousery and this weekends inability to make a simple switch of play aside, is the least of our problems.

[an tha]

In our preferred line up, I don't think playmaking is down to Henderson. His primary responsibility is to protect the defence and funnel the play. Likewise Can/Wij are about protecting the offence. LaLana is primarily responsible for penetration and play-making the way I've seen it pan out.

 

Now all the usual caveats around everyone has to defend, everyone has to take offensive opportunities when they present themselves apply but on that front Lallana and to a lesser extent Can/Wij need to work on the balance of their play because the offensive sides of their games require more than just arriving late into the box. It's easy to see what they should be doing when coutinho drops back into midfield.

 

TBH Henderson, shithousery and this weekends inability to make a simple switch of play aside, is the least of our problems.

Hendersons shithousery is bad enough but when you consider he is our captain it becomes totally unaccpetable.

[Red74]

Posted this in match thread but feels more relevant here...

Our squad player by player

Keepers

Mignolet - back up at best in a so called top side. GET RID

Karius - See above but open to more improvement possibly. KEEP

Manninger - What the actual fuck. IRRELEVANT.

Defenders

Clyne - Decent but not good enough going forward in our formation if your full backs are going to be your only real width they need better end product than Clyne. KEEP

Lovren - Decent back up nothing more. GET RID.

Gomez - Talented kid, progress disrupted badly by injuries...i am unsure he'll make it - may prove me wrong but he isn't the answer right now. KEEP

Klavan - Squad filler that we should have but of better quality. GET RID

Moreno - Never going to be the answer. GET RID

Matip - our best defender, injuries the worry...so far the only player i would say is definitely first team good enough week in week out. KEEP

TAA - Maybe in a couple of years. Potential. KEEP

Randall - Forget it, he'll be a championship at best level player. GET RID

Midfielders

Wijnaldum - I like him, but he is just steady - would be on the bench every week in a proper title chasing side for me. KEEP

Milner - Rock solid pro, teams need his sort but not playing at LB because we have nothing else there...he has done well there but it is a waste...again probably a bench job in a top side. KEEP

Coutinho - 2nd defo starter for me and potentially our only world class player. KEEP

Henderson - The captain of LFC...fucking hell, sorry but that shows what a state we are in, he isn't shite but he isn't captain of LFC level...or at least he wouldn't be usually. He isn't going to improve enough now would command a decent fee and be sound at a mid table ambition club - so...GET RID.

Grujic - Who knows? See if he can actually get and stay fit. KEEP

Lallana - For me the 3rd starter in sqiad so far - needs to be more consistent and would benefit from not being shunted around due to the holes in our squad. KEEP

Lucas - Thanks for all the effort over the years, lad but it is well past time you moved on now. GET RID

Can - Overrated show pony. Ponderous in thought and deed....wants twice as much time as he usually has and thinks he is twice as good as he is. GET RID

Stewart - Jay Spearing. GET RID

Ojo - Too early to say but certainly does not get near our team yet. KEEP

Forwards

Firmino - Not a false 9 and not a number 9....would be more effective in a different formation IMO. Starter number 4 so far. KEEP

Sturridge - Done and dusted. Shame. GET RID

Mane - Literally the only player we have who can stretch defenders and inject pace into our play. His absence showed just how unbalanced our squad is when the knock on effect of him being missing was other square pegs being hammered into round holes. Starter number 5. KEEP

Origi - The bench striker. KEEP

Ings - Fucked. Shame. GET RID.

We have virtually nobody out on loan worth mentioning aside from Ward who can come in and be 3rd choice keeper....Flanno who at his best would be handy back up and Sakho who for me would be the bench centre half but is clearly fucked due to what has gone on.

So for me out of our entire squad we have 5 definite starters and 10 solid enough squad players...which means 15 to start with as a base but half a dozen short of a proper first 11 that would challenge for title.

Grim.

The only one I'd disagree with here is Henderson. I'd keep him for next season so the drop off in quality on the bench isn't too severe. We've made a rod for ourselves making him captai and he's gonna have to start while the new signings bed in. If he rises to the challenge then he'll be worth keeping, if not, then off he goes. Same with Firmino and to a lesser extent Origi

[ZonkoVille77]

.......are fuckin shite.

[Rotpeter]

Hendersons shithousery is bad enough but when you consider he is our captain it becomes totally unaccpetable.

People always complain about every captain. Souness was a hothead, Gerrard wasn't a leader, etc.

 

As a shithouse myself, I prefer to think of it  as hendo "delegating the opportunity to be a hero" to others.  What a nice lad.

[an tha]

People always complain about every captain. Souness was a hothead, Gerrard wasn't a leader, etc.

 

As a shithouse myself, I prefer to think of it as hendo "delegating the opportunity to be a hero" to others. What a nice lad.

delegation's what yer need!

[Paco]

Swansea offer 13m for bert according to express.

[Bjornebye]

3 of the 5 can fuck off