Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Rico1304]

I want you to explain your post about "that's not what free speech means" because it makes no sense.

Free speech doesn’t mean free from consequences. Your party decided his speech was racist, I’m not sure it was. But that doesn’t matter.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Free speech doesn’t mean free from consequences. Your party decided his speech was racist, I’m not sure it was. But that doesn’t matter.

More unsubstantiated tosh. Brilliant.

 

You can tell that someone's Twitter ban has made them a bit bored.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Free speech doesn’t mean free from consequences. Your party decided his speech was racist, I’m not sure it was. But that doesn’t matter.

Nothing he said merited "consequences". Nothing was anti-Semitic or racist (and I haven't seen the full judgement yet, but I thought that the charge was "bringing the party into disrepute" not racism.)

 

Are you not a wee bit concerned about restrictions to free speech? Are you happy that potentially any expression of any opinions or statements of fact could be deemed worthy of "consequences"?

 

It is a perverse and damaging decision to punish Wadsworth and it's odd to see you and Stronts defending it.

[Rico1304]

Nothing he said merited "consequences". Nothing was anti-Semitic or racist (and I haven't seen the full judgement yet, but I thought that the charge was "bringing the party into disrepute" not racism.)

Are you not a wee bit concerned about restrictions to free speech? Are you happy that potentially any expression of any opinions or statements of fact could be deemed worthy of "consequences"?

It is a perverse and damaging decision to punish Wadsworth and it's odd to see you and Stronts defending it.

How many times? I don’t think what he said was racist. Your party did. You pay their wages.

[Rico1304]

More unsubstantiated tosh. Brilliant.

You can tell that someone's Twitter ban has made them a bit bored.

What are you lot on about? I said I didn’t think it was racist.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

How many times? I don’t think what he said was racist. Your party did. You pay their wages.

Again, I'm not sure that the party did say it was racist.

 

I didn't say that you think it was racist, so untwist your knickers. My question was why you think Wadsworth should accept "consequences" for what he said. The fact that you accept that Wadsworth didn’t say anything racist makes it more bizarre that you're happy with restrictions to his freedom of speech.

[Rico1304]

Again, I'm not sure that the party did say it was racist.

I didn't say that you think it was racist, so untwist your knickers. My question was why you think Wadsworth should accept "consequences" for what he said. The fact that you accept that Wadsworth didn’t say anything racist makes it more bizarre that you're happy with restrictions to his freedom of speech.

I’ve just been pointed in the direction of Jeremy Dun’s analysis- maybe it was racist.

 

He’s not had any state restrictions on his speech, why are you struggling with this. The state did nothing, that’s free speech. The state prosecuting a man about a joke is infringing free speech.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I’ve just been pointed in the direction of Jeremy Dun’s analysis- maybe it was racist.

 

He’s not had any state restrictions on his speech, why are you struggling with this. The state did nothing, that’s free speech. The state prosecuting a man about a joke is infringing free speech.

What has the state got to do with anything? You are the only person who has mentioned the state.

[Rico1304]

What has the state got to do with anything? You are the only person who has mentioned the state.

Dig up mate, you’re just going deeper.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I’ve just been pointed in the direction of Jeremy Dun’s analysis- maybe it was racist.

 

 

This?

https://twitter.com/JeremyDuns/status/989095177255079936?s=09

 

That's not analysis. That's just a summary of the spurious and disingenuous allegations levelled against Wadsworth and Corbyn.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Dig up mate, you’re just going deeper.

Is that it? You're just going to resort to clichés from your random smart-arsery generator?

 

Not a cult.

Consistency kids.

Christ.

Hahaha.

I love this place.

etc.

[Rico1304]

Is that it? You're just going to resort to clichés from your random smart-arsery generator?

Not a cult.

Consistency kids.

Christ.

Hahaha.

I love this place.

etc.

Jordan Peterson got a book deal on worse advice.

 

Look, you are conflating free speech (the ability to say what you want within legal restrictions) with the Labour Party’s right to react to that free speech in any way they want. They may be wrong, they may be right, they may even have done it due to the political climate, But barring him from the Labour Party has no impact on his ability to continue to say what he wants (within the law). How fucking hard was that? He’s been kicked out of a cult, he should count himsel& lucky.

[sir roger]

Loved Cable suggesting the Conservatives only became racist once Him & SuperNick released their headlock on them.

 

In a 2014 speech, the then Lib Dem leader and deputy prime minister Nick Clegg highlighted moves to to make life more difficult for those in the UK without permission and said "more needs to be done" to "bear down" on illegal immigration.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Jordan Peterson got a book deal on worse advice.

 

Look, you are conflating free speech (the ability to say what you want within legal restrictions) with the Labour Party’s right to react to that free speech in any way they want. They may be wrong, they may be right, they may even have done it due to the political climate, But barring him from the Labour Party has no impact on his ability to continue to say what he wants (within the law). How fucking hard was that? He’s been kicked out of a cult, he should count himsel& lucky.

You're arguing that only the state can restrict a person's freedom of speech.

 

You are demonstrably wrong.

[Rico1304]

You're arguing that only the state can restrict a person's freedom of speech.

You are demonstrably wrong.

You’ve jumped the shark here.

[Strontium]

This?

https://twitter.com/JeremyDuns/status/989095177255079936?s=09

 

That's not analysis. That's just a summary of the spurious and disingenuous allegations levelled against Wadsworth and Corbyn.

 

Useful, as it shows that Wadsworth was actually aware that Smeeth was Jewish, because he was told.

[Strontium]

I found out today that Wadsworth had been a Labour member for one whole month before he decided to launch a campaign to deselect Labour MPs at an anti-semitism event. Arf.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Useful, as it shows that Wadsworth was actually aware that Smeeth was Jewish, because he was told.

It shows that Smeeth claims he was told that. I'm disinclined to assume that Ruth "left in tears/thousands of abusive tweets" is a reliable source.

[Rico1304]

It shows that Smeeth claims he was told that. I'm disinclined to assume that Ruth "left in tears/thousands of abusive tweets" is a reliable source.

Mmm, noted.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

https://labourlist.org/2018/04/marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-the-labour-party/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I found out today that Wadsworth had been a Labour member for one whole month before he decided to launch a campaign to deselect Labour MPs at an anti-semitism event. Arf.

And yet he was one of the leaders of the first Labour Black Socialist Society in 1993.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_Black_Sections

 

Arf.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Mmm, noted.

Just worth pointing out that it's not an established, objective fact that Wadsworth knew Smeeth was Jewish: she says he knew; he says he didn't.

[Rico1304]

And yet he was one of the leaders of the first Labour Black Socialist Society in 1993.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_Black_Sections

Arf.

Never knew about them. That page is very interesting.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

And yet he was one of the leaders of the first Labour Black Socialist Society in 1993.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_Black_Sections

 

Arf.

Yes. I thought it was fairly well known that he'd been a long standing party member, but cancelled his membership in protest of the Iraq war, rejoining again in 2016.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-activist-who-berated-mp-ruth-smeeth-says-he-did-not-know-she-was-jewish-and-denies-momentum-a7111366.html

 

 

The man who is never wrong will probably accuse him of being a member of Hamas next.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Meanwhile, the inherently racist Tory Party is still turning a deaf ear to Muslim Council of Britain's repeated call to investigate the widespread Islamophobia in the party.

 

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xdyqb/the-conservative-party-needs-to-deal-with-its-islamophobia-problem