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Poor decision making and shithouses


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Course I would.  Lallana has been pretty dire in terms of return, but he does put a bit of effort in every game.  

 

So does Firminho of late, best player on the park the last few games mate. Still has a way to go to produce what he is capable of but that will come with better players around him. Lallana is a bit of a luxury since his arrival, disappointing when you look at what he did for Southampton, maybe he also just needs better players around him, especially hard grafting MF types and a nifty forward to link up with. You also have to add Coutinho into the same category, no way will all 3 work in the same team, 2 at a push but preferably just one. 

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So does Firminho of late, best player on the park the last few games mate. Still has a way to go to produce what he is capable of but that will come with better players around him. Lallana is a bit of a luxury since his arrival, disappointing when you look at what he did for Southampton, maybe he also just needs better players around him, especially hard grafting MF types and a nifty forward to link up with. You also have to add Coutinho into the same category, no way will all 3 work in the same team, 2 at a push but preferably just one. 

 

I didn't think he was good against Leicester, but the only one I would have reservations about getting rid of, it's Firmino, because at least he has the excuse of being new to the country.  But even if he went, I'd be over it by the next day. 

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I didn't think he was good against Leicester, but the only one I would have reservations about getting rid of, it's Firmino, because at least he has the excuse of being new to the country.  But even if he went, I'd be over it by the next day. 

 

He's been scoring and providing of late. He is a player we can build on, we don't have many of those. 

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In my opinion, the biggest problem with the squad has been the midfield. As far as the attack goes, poor recruitment and dreadful planning by Rodgers has left us short of any pace or width, but you do get the feeling that if Ings and Origi could stay fit and Sturridge could play a few more game, we'd look much better. I think the attack is a quick fix. Just replace Benteke with someone more conducive with our style of play and replace Lallana with a winger and we'll be fine.

 

The defense is a problem and we'll have to make a few alterations here and there, but being good defensively is all about being set up correctly and I think Klopp has the ability to do that so i'm not too worried. Mignolet needs to get the fuck out, though.

 

The midfield on the other hand has been such a pile of shit for so long and it impeeds the rest of the team in so many different ways. It is absolutely imperative we buy a midfielder with technical ability to help us control games, and then also someone who can run and tackle.

 

The problem we have is that we have no midfielders who offer any of these attributes at an acceptable level and so it just accentuates our problems creating clear cut chances and our inability to defend. Lucas can tackle but can't run, Can is too raw to really offer anything substantial, Henderson runs a lot but he's not especially good defensively and he's terrible in possession, ditto for Milner, Allen has ability on the ball and I like him but realistically, he doesn't offer enough output. The end result is a clusterfuck of mediocrity and no combination of these players that we put out can give us what we need. Basically, we need a total revamp in that area and I personally hope none of them are starting this time next year.

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Great post, Mil-ing Around. You're a top poster when you aren't encouraging half the forum to commit suicide or ranting against feminism. 

 

The stupid players are a by-product of the idiot Rodgers buying idiotic players because he was intimidated by anyone smarter than him eg. Reina, Agger. The transfer committee recruiting on stats and not brain activity (you can't measure decision-making you cunts) also have their part to play and finally FSG, refusing to pay for experienced, Champions League players, rounds out the trifecta of shite. 

 

Luckily we have Klopp. I think next season will also be a write-off in all honesty and we're looking at 2017-18 before we can get a new squad to challenge. 

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Great post, Mil-ing Around. You're a top poster when you aren't encouraging half the forum to commit suicide or ranting against feminism.

 

The stupid players are a by-product of the idiot Rodgers buying idiotic players because he was intimidated by anyone smarter than him eg. Reina, Agger. The transfer committee recruiting on stats and not brain activity (you can't measure decision-making you cunts) also have their part to play and finally FSG, refusing to pay for experienced, Champions League players, rounds out the trifecta of shite.

 

Luckily we have Klopp. I think next season will also be a write-off in all honesty and we're looking at 2017-18 before we can get a new squad to challenge.

Spot on mate,the great worry that I have is if these owners say that they are right and the infamous committee stays put,Klopp will walk and that my friend could be it for our,and I repeat,our club
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Yea, maybe those two rants weren't my finest hour. I was a little drunk, so apologies. 

 

Getting back to the game, i haven't been that angry for a while watching us. Don't get me wrong i shout at the TV a lot but today was different for me. If i didn't write that post i think i would have exploded. It helped calm me down.

 

I don't have a huge problem with Milner but i just don't think work rate is enough anymore. If we ever want to win this title again we can't just accept players like Milner and Henderson for putting a shift in. One is our captain, the skipper for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Our central midfielders must surely also have some quality and that something special about them too.

 

I like players who work hard and every team needs them but we need that as a bare minimum not as the outstanding feature of a Liverpool players all round game.

 

Firmino is one that puzzles me, he looks a good player and has had a few good games. He's also in a new country and took time to adapt. Also had two managers with different styles, plus injuries. But is he just "decent"?

 

He isn't quick and does give the ball away a lot. Sometimes his touch is great and other times it's pretty poor. He doesn't have much pace and hardly any strength. Sometime's i feel like his nutmegs are his last ditch hope of beating a defender because its the only option he has left or he has over run the ball. But then he does have a great shot on him and can really strike a ball well. I can't make up my mind on him but he's new and deserves time.

 

I totally agree with 3 stacks that our midfield is shocking. Henderson, Lucas, Allen, Milner and Can. I mean what the fuck was Rodgers thinking. Who the fuck is the passer? I think i read Stringvest say that Lalallana makes god runs, well to be fair, some others do sometimes too. But the shithouse on the ball doesn't have the gutts to attempt it. Not a single one of them. Or they just don't see it, and is that good enough? Not for me. None of them have guile to make half a yard and play a telling pass. They pass the buck fine but not the fucking ball.

 

Our defence is a joke too. I'd only keep Clyne and plan a whole re-build job, if i was Klopp. They have no heart and not a single leader or organiser amongst them. 

 

I know people might slate me for this but i think Sturridge is the only top class player we have who makes consistently good decisions every time he plays. I know he's always injured and people are starting to hate him but I'd keep him until we can find more quality players because right now, he's the only one with real talent and ability. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. The rest are all meh. Average and not of the required quality to wear our jersey and receive a wage. 

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I know people might slate me for this but i think Sturridge is the only top class player we have who makes consistently good decisions every time he plays. I know he's always injured and people are starting to hate him but I'd keep him until we can find more quality players because right now, he's the only one with real talent and ability.

 

You shouldn't get slated because you are right, Sturridge along with Coutinho are so far ahead of the rest of them when it comes to natural talent/ability, what makes Sturridge our best player is his consistency, he (near enough) does it week in week out, when he's on the pitch he's always a threat capable of anything, as brilliant as he can be Coutinho just doesn't have the consistency that the best players have.

 

Sturridge should be up there amongst the best strikers in the world but it seems he has better things to do with his life, the tosser.

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Can is too raw to really offer anything substantial

 

Emre Can, although he might be young, constantly makes the wrong decisions with and without the ball. He winds up to go on a driving run like an idiot does on a Friday night heading towards central London....always into traffic. Then he HAS to use his body physique to get him out of trouble. He's 22 and doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. His passing for a central midfielder shows no creativity. He lacks guile and weight of pass. 

 

Emre Can is shit, so so typical of us to buy a shit German, he's not really good at anything.

 

Would love to be proven wrong and see him turn into the next Ballack but it isn't going to happen, half a Ballack would do.

 

Sadly he's yet another dinlo, reminds me of Glen Johnson a lot, playing football like he's just gotten out of bed.

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I agree with the gist of the post but yesterday's result was all down to a mega shit goalkeeper and Keystone Kops defending(The shit GK might actually have a bearing on the shit defence.)

Its always easy to slag off individuals but its a malaise that began by removing all the influential and experienced players at the club,Reina,Kuyt,Gerrard etc,which was a mixture of wages and the ex manager's ego.

We lack leaders,we lack composure and we lack the types of players who instill this because we kicked them out for,partly at least,non footballing reasons.

The problems who have are more about the mindset and not so much the ability and can be fixed with shrewd transfers.

Its over to you now Jurgen.

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Everything you look for in a good side is missing or in very short supply in our team/squad.

 

We lack pace, power and movement and we play slow easy to play against football...we are error prone, have thick players who lack game intelligence and make abysmal decisions...there is no composure - we lack a spine, both in the team and in most of the men in it....physically we are probably the weakest team in the league and mentally we definitely are.

 

We have assmebled the softest shower of shite I have ever seen represent our football club, a shower of passionless, spineless, brainless shithouses.

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Have to strongly agree with almost everything on the first post of this thread.

 

Yesterday was one of the hardest games to watch this season so far. 

 

What frustrates me most is the lack of shots we seem to be having. It's almost like we want to try and walk the ball in but we can't do that when we have absolutely nobody in the box. So many times one of our players would get the ball on the edge of the box with a second or two to bring it down and have a go, but they'd control it and just move around on the spot until they either got tackled or played it to someone who isn't in half as good a position as they are/were.

 

Henderson has been really poor since he come back from injury. Yeah, he may run a lot and put his shift in but what does that do? He's not running back 80 yards and making a crunching tackle and setting up another attack for us. The amount of times he tries doing a long 40/50 yard ball that either gets intercepted or is too far is a joke. He's not that type of player. I don't even know what type of player he is, really.

 

Moreno frustrates me a lot. Seems to be more one footed than Riise and I always thought that was tough to beat. Can be great going forward at times but his decision making needs improving quickly.

 

Emre Can cannot pass a ball to save his life. A player that is free literally 10 yards away and he can't hit the ball to them properly. How much is he on?!

 

Mignolet. Jesus Christ. It's not just the silly mistakes for some of the oppositions goals he makes, it's much more than that. He has no command of his box (it may be better than it first was but it's still rubbish), he takes ages to get a ball out and more than half of them aren't successful. Watching MOTD last night and even I knew the wall wasn't set up properly. If I know that then surely he must!

 

I do find it hard to think of players I'd keep. I love Coutinho but he can be inconsistent a lot. Of course, I don't expect players to be great every game but you get the jist... 

I was speaking to my mate the other day and was saying how often he does try and shoot and do that same 'signature goal' and his reply was "at least he shoots" - and he was right. As much as that may frustrate me in a game too when it goes miles over, at least he is having a go. It seems too many players are petrified to shoot.

 

Next season is going to be very interesting. The summer will be Klopps chance to shine in the window. Get rid of the deadwood and replace them with some quality players. If it's not down to Klopp if we don't get them, then he should publicly come out and say it before he gets criticized. 

 

It's strange that I've preferred watching some of the young ones play in the cup lately because of their desire to play for us. You can see some of them, not all of them, putting their all in to play for us. Good on them. That's why I really like Flanagan.

 

Genuinely can't wait for this season to end.

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I started this thread over 3 months ago and it's sad to see that much of it still hasn't changed. We just have too many bottlers in our team. I came home and read the match thread and noticed some people had said "it's not bottle it's a lack of quality" for me it's both.

 

That first goal knocked the stuffing out of us, our legs completely went to jelly and we just didn't have the mental strength to deal with it. We know it can happen with this bunch, they've fucked up 2 semi finals last year and now 2 finals this year.

 

I'm not going to bash them or slate them, in fact i actually feel sorry for many of them. They did incredibly well to reach this final and for 30 minutes they had Seville right were we wanted them, by the balls and starting to panic.

 

I've read that people say they looked like they didn't care, after the final whistle, for me that's bullshit. They got us to two finals this year and they just froze in both of them. They aren't "winners". I'm not sure what the total trophy count between the whole squad actually is, but it can't be much. We have so many players in our club that just aren't real winners. Loser's freeze and sadly they froze, again. 

 

I'm absolutely gutted today and I've been going over the match in my mind. We started so badly, i was screaming at the TV. Our left hand side was shocking, Coutinho didn't touch the ball for 10 minutes and gave Moreno little help at the start. Add the fact we had Kolo at left centre back and that side of the pitch became incredibly weak and it stayed like that for much of the game. Seville played lots of long balls into that channel. They targeted it.

 

I know Kolo had a decent game, made some great tackles and tried to drive forward with the ball but he is 34 and has so many miles on those legs. Add Moreno's shitness and Coutinho freezing and we were fucked on that side of the pitch. 

 

We missed Sahko last night, massively. He is a leader and awesome in the air. We lost every fucking header for the whole 90 minutes. Seville even went Stoke City on our ass and took long throw-in's to Nzonzi, they knew they would win everything in the air and sadly they did, it absolutely fucked us for the whole game. Also with Sahko we can play abit higher and on the front foot and with more aggression. With Kolo we have to sit deeper and even with all his experience his legs can't cover moreno's shit defending like Sahko does at times. 

 

Our midfield also went into it's shell, we had no composure in there, especially when it went 1-1. We needed a leader to step up and bring some calm to the table and let everyone re-group and battle our way back into the game. Football is weird like that, you can gain confidence on the pitch from even the smallest thing. 3-4 passes, a cross into the box, winning a corner, a tackle. But sadly none of that happened and we had nobody to set an example for anybody else to follow. When you get none of that, the pitch becomes a lonely place and you retreat into your mind. That's why we lost so much shape and stopped passing the ball. They all started to hide because they knew inside how badly they were playing in that moment. 

 

I've also never seen a team get nutmegged as much as we did last night, was that just a coincidence? Or maybe they knew we try and block the first line of passing by stretching to reduce the angle and in doing so we open up our legs. But fuck me did we get nutmegged LOADS last night. Maybe I'm giving Unai Emrey to much credit for telling his players to do that but it happened from the first whistle to the last. 

 

Klopp might have changed things earlier but the ship was sinking and i doubt it would have made much difference. I think he knew it was a mental thing rather than a tactical one.They all started to hide and nobody wanted the ball. It was harrowing to watch and I've been there. When you can feel the game slipping away from you and you just can't do anything about it. You want to change it but physically and mentally you cant. Football is a brutal sport when you have no confidence and it can take months for your belief to become strong but can take minutes for you to lose it all and doubt yourself on the pitch. 

 

That's when you need bottle and somebody to show you the way, we just have neither in our team. We have a great manager but you need a guy on the pitch to be his commander and have the quality to go with it. We just don't have that.

 

I've read people saying that one game a week will give us the chance to have a title challenge. I don't share that confidence, not with this bunch of players and not as the squad stands right now. They might be up there but they will continue to fall at the final hurdle. We need some experienced match winners, with quality, to go with the younger players to help them through the difficult moments in games like we experienced last night. 

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The poor decision-making is certainly chronic and is a big reason as to why the team is so inconsistent. For every good thing they do, there is a calamity just around the corner and they are usually found wanting when that calamity occurs.

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