Europa League - Liverpool v Sion

[Babb'sBurstNad]

The problem is the punt was not necessarily the manager, it was the committee. The manager - and his lowly status - came as a result of the committee and the parameters they'd be asking someone to work within.

 

To expect a top manager now would be to expect Gordon to scrap the supposed framework that's been built. I think it's telling that for all the rumblings about Rodgers' position, even going back to last November, there's been nowhere near the same level of speculation that FSG might disassemble the committee.

 

Maybe this summer shows that lessons have been learned, as Rodgers got his main targets, but I'm not getting my hopes up for anyone of the calibre of Klopp or Ancelotti. The track record thus far has been to hire people of lower status who'll accept limitations and won't show up their superiors. They never really did push the boat out for a top class CEO, so why would they start now with a lowly manager?

 

The early reports of FSG believing in the wisdom of group thinking is still in effect.

[s(k)aturation]

Gordon (Bennett)!

[TheHowieLama]

The problem is the punt was not necessarily the manager, it was the committee. The manager - and his lowly status - came as a result of the committee and the parameters they'd be asking someone to work within.

 

 

 

This is in reverse - the committee was made necessary by the manager

[Lario]

Fuck sake.

 

Went out for pints, and this shiit happens. Fuck sake.

[RoboRiise]

Can we send Tony to Anfield to tell Brendan that when he comes out swinging his dick around talking about 'hysteria' after a one goal win against Villa that we could easily have fucked up and scraping past a fourth division team on penalties in the cup, before shitting the bed yet again in Europe, it makes him come across as a bit of a cunt?

[redinthehead]

It's just so grim.

 

Rodgers only proven ability is to consistently out coach himself.

[xerxes]

So what had I said that you disagree with, that game was meaningless and we should have won.If we win on Sunday and players who were rested perform his decision will be justified.

I went last night. I shall assume that you are not trolling.

 

Sion have lost their last two games in the mighty Swiss league. The last was a home defeat against the formidable Vaduz, who play in a ground with a seated capacity of under 7000 and who were playing in their second tier last season. Sion’s Chairman branded that defeat ‘pathetic’ and ‘embarrassing’, just as well they had their next fixture against us as a pick-me –up. Sion’s average salary is around £4,500 a week, less than a tenth of ours, their annual income is £15.8m, again less than a tenth of ours.

 

You say :”It’s clear this is just another excuse to bitch about BR… fans were saying … our squad players should be battering them. Everyone’s making out they are shit but all I know about them is they have won two domestics cups under that manager and recently beat Basel the team that knocked our starters out of the cl last season 3-0”

 

Yes we should be battering them. Their resources are a fraction of ours. But their manager, the revered Didier Tholot, ( Keith Curle speaks highly of him) outwitted Brendan. Maybe his experience at five clubs was too much? Maybe it was his playing experience of almost 500 league games? Maybe it was his European credentials as a 96 Uefa Cup Finalist with Bordeaux? All trump Brendan’s CV.

 

I know that the Council are trying to boost the City as a tourist destination, but does Brendan really need to be working so hard to ensure that the ARE visitors section is becoming a tourist attraction in its own right?

 

Make no mistake, the boos rang out again after the final whistle- and were justified. There is no anti-Brendan conspiracy, just his own results and ineptitude on display for the entertainment of non-Reds.

 

Origi is an £11m buy. A forward. Yet Brendan, in an important Euro game tells us that: “Divock knows the next step for him is finishing.” Fuck me, isn’t that the first step for an £11m forward?

 

Reluctantly, I have come to accept that our days as serious, consistent title challengers are over for the foreseeable future. But I do not accept that as the richest club in the EL we should not be demanding and expecting semi -final finishes as a minimum. Equally, we should be employing a manager who is capable of delivering that, which we are not.

 

I admire your loyalty to Brendan in the face of overwhelming odds now. But you are totally wrong to suggest a media led campaign against him, try telling the fans in the Scotty Road after the Carlisle, West Ham and last night’s games that they are sheep following the media and you will be surprised by the strength of their counter case…

[smilezzz]

I went last night. I shall assume that you are not trolling.

 

Sion have lost their last two games in the mighty Swiss league. The last was a home defeat against the formidable Vaduz, who play in a ground with a seated capacity of under 7000 and who were playing in their second tier last season. Sion’s Chairman branded that defeat ‘pathetic’ and ‘embarrassing’, just as well they had their next fixture against us as a pick-me –up. Sion’s average salary is around £4,500 a week, less than a tenth of ours, their annual income is £15.8m, again less than a tenth of ours.

 

You say :”It’s clear this is just another excuse to bitch about BR… fans were saying … our squad players should be battering them. Everyone’s making out they are shit but all I know about them is they have won two domestics cups under that manager and recently beat Basel the team that knocked our starters out of the cl last season 3-0”

 

Yes we should be battering them. Their resources are a fraction of ours. But their manager, the revered Didier Tholot, ( Keith Curle speaks highly of him) outwitted Brendan. Maybe his experience at five clubs was too much? Maybe it was his playing experience of almost 500 league games? Maybe it was his European credentials as a 96 Uefa Cup Finalist with Bordeaux? All trump Brendan’s CV.

 

I know that the Council are trying to boost the City as a tourist destination, but does Brendan really need to be working so hard to ensure that the ARE visitors section is becoming a tourist attraction in its own right?

 

Make no mistake, the boos rang out again after the final whistle- and were justified. There is no anti-Brendan conspiracy, just his own results and ineptitude on display for the entertainment of non-Reds.

 

Origi is an £11m buy. A forward. Yet Brendan, in an important Euro game tells us that: “Divock knows the next step for him is finishing.” Fuck me, isn’t that the first step for an £11m forward?

 

Reluctantly, I have come to accept that our days as serious, consistent title challengers are over for the foreseeable future. But I do not accept that as the richest club in the EL we should not be demanding and expecting semi -final finishes as a minimum. Equally, we should be employing a manager who is capable of delivering that, which we are not.

 

I admire your loyalty to Brendan in the face of overwhelming odds now. But you are totally wrong to suggest a media led campaign against him, try telling the fans in the Scotty Road after the Carlisle, West Ham and last night’s games that they are sheep following the media and you will be surprised by the strength of their counter case…

Post of the week.

[Anubis]

Xerxes on the money. An eloquent dismissal in the face of absurdity.

[RazorBack]

Anyone still supporting Brendan is as clueless as he is. I like loyalty, but I like honor as well. If Brendan had any, he'd resign. 

[stringvest]

Brendan and honour are unlikely to have any acquaintance these days. Xerxes' post sums it up. Brendan's ability to sound ridiculous, disingenuous, deluded and redolent of an 80s middle manager is clinical I believe, not dissimilar to Tourette's. He can't help it, and he can't help us.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Rodgers is a dead man waffling. His body language says finished his gob says fighting.

When, not if he goes we all know the scene, he won't see any negatives in himself, outside influences were against him ( already put that out there hasn't he ) players( he bought ) let him down etc, etc.

He managed to talk himself, yes talk himself into a job at a great club without even blagging on his CV. He actually blagged his footballing strategy and ethos. Talk is cheap, football isn't played on paper or a whiteboard. Gung ho football with two top players having there best ever seasons is hardly tactical genius. The players we had that season we should have won the league.

" iIt wasn't just the players ? " No ? Said himself he can do the job given the right tools. 100's of millions on tools and still knocking next door for a screwdriver. Flat head or Philips ? He couldn't decide where or how to use it. Seems to me that he inferred he only had that great season because of two players as others have said. Deny, then accept, then deny again. Delusion.

If FSG keep him for much longer we definitely know 2 things, 1 they are not interested in winning anymore, just building the brand for the big sell. And 2, no one involved at FSG really ( as we suspected ) has a clue about football/ soccer in the 21st century. Fucking depressing stuff.

[Dr Nowt]

I went last night. I shall assume that you are not trolling.

 

Sion have lost their last two games in the mighty Swiss league. The last was a home defeat against the formidable Vaduz, who play in a ground with a seated capacity of under 7000 and who were playing in their second tier last season. Sion’s Chairman branded that defeat ‘pathetic’ and ‘embarrassing’, just as well they had their next fixture against us as a pick-me –up. Sion’s average salary is around £4,500 a week, less than a tenth of ours, their annual income is £15.8m, again less than a tenth of ours.

 

You say :”It’s clear this is just another excuse to bitch about BR… fans were saying … our squad players should be battering them. Everyone’s making out they are shit but all I know about them is they have won two domestics cups under that manager and recently beat Basel the team that knocked our starters out of the cl last season 3-0”

 

Yes we should be battering them. Their resources are a fraction of ours. But their manager, the revered Didier Tholot, ( Keith Curle speaks highly of him) outwitted Brendan. Maybe his experience at five clubs was too much? Maybe it was his playing experience of almost 500 league games? Maybe it was his European credentials as a 96 Uefa Cup Finalist with Bordeaux? All trump Brendan’s CV.

 

I know that the Council are trying to boost the City as a tourist destination, but does Brendan really need to be working so hard to ensure that the ARE visitors section is becoming a tourist attraction in its own right?

 

Make no mistake, the boos rang out again after the final whistle- and were justified. There is no anti-Brendan conspiracy, just his own results and ineptitude on display for the entertainment of non-Reds.

 

Origi is an £11m buy. A forward. Yet Brendan, in an important Euro game tells us that: “Divock knows the next step for him is finishing.” Fuck me, isn’t that the first step for an £11m forward?

 

Reluctantly, I have come to accept that our days as serious, consistent title challengers are over for the foreseeable future. But I do not accept that as the richest club in the EL we should not be demanding and expecting semi -final finishes as a minimum. Equally, we should be employing a manager who is capable of delivering that, which we are not.

 

I admire your loyalty to Brendan in the face of overwhelming odds now. But you are totally wrong to suggest a media led campaign against him, try telling the fans in the Scotty Road after the Carlisle, West Ham and last night’s games that they are sheep following the media and you will be surprised by the strength of their counter case…

You do realise JP said he watched ALL the game?

 

I'm not sure paying money and going can match that level of commitment.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

This is in reverse - the committee was made necessary by the manager

 

Whilst it's true one happened before the other, I don't think it's so clear cut in terms of causation. The clues are there that FSG were always going to put something like that in place, hence deciding to go for a more lowly manager who wouldn't demand complete control.

 

They clearly wanted a head coach. The DoF idea they had was nixed publicly by Rodgers, but I'm not even sure we were ever likely to appoint one solitary figure as FSG have problems with "forceful" personalities - look at our worldwide search for a top CEO.

 

The end result is the same though, a body/person that oversees and limits the manager's powers in player recruitment; this was always on the cards, and no top level manager would sign up to a rookie set up that hadn't already shown its version of it works. One of the big draws of managing in England was always that managers would get to recruit their own players. 

 

I'm not saying the committee was in place before Rodgers, but I'm sure the concept was, and the constraints were mooted, which is why we ended up with Rodgers. Even Martinez walked away.

[Tony Moanero]

Can we send Tony to Anfield to tell Brendan that when he comes out swinging his dick around talking about 'hysteria' after a one goal win against Villa that we could easily have fucked up and scraping past a fourth division team on penalties in the cup, before shitting the bed yet again in Europe, it makes him come across as a bit of a cunt?

Absolutely not. I won't set foot anywhere near the ground. I'd rather keep my memories of Anfield and going the game as they are and not have them sullied by what these FSG cunts are doing to this club.

[Paco]

Liverpool have been ahead against Norwich, Carlisle and now Sion, the perfect base to put such limited opposition to the sword.

 

Yet in a strange quirk of fate the equaliser has arrived just 13 minutes later on all three occasions.

 

Unlucky for some?

[JermainePennant]

I went last night. I shall assume that you are not trolling.

 

Sion have lost their last two games in the mighty Swiss league. The last was a home defeat against the formidable Vaduz, who play in a ground with a seated capacity of under 7000 and who were playing in their second tier last season. Sion’s Chairman branded that defeat ‘pathetic’ and ‘embarrassing’, just as well they had their next fixture against us as a pick-me –up. Sion’s average salary is around £4,500 a week, less than a tenth of ours, their annual income is £15.8m, again less than a tenth of ours.

 

You say :”It’s clear this is just another excuse to bitch about BR… fans were saying … our squad players should be battering them. Everyone’s making out they are shit but all I know about them is they have won two domestics cups under that manager and recently beat Basel the team that knocked our starters out of the cl last season 3-0”

 

Yes we should be battering them. Their resources are a fraction of ours. But their manager, the revered Didier Tholot, ( Keith Curle speaks highly of him) outwitted Brendan. Maybe his experience at five clubs was too much? Maybe it was his playing experience of almost 500 league games? Maybe it was his European credentials as a 96 Uefa Cup Finalist with Bordeaux? All trump Brendan’s CV.

 

I know that the Council are trying to boost the City as a tourist destination, but does Brendan really need to be working so hard to ensure that the ARE visitors section is becoming a tourist attraction in its own right?

 

Make no mistake, the boos rang out again after the final whistle- and were justified. There is no anti-Brendan conspiracy, just his own results and ineptitude on display for the entertainment of non-Reds.

 

Origi is an £11m buy. A forward. Yet Brendan, in an important Euro game tells us that: “Divock knows the next step for him is finishing.” Fuck me, isn’t that the first step for an £11m forward?

 

Reluctantly, I have come to accept that our days as serious, consistent title challengers are over for the foreseeable future. But I do not accept that as the richest club in the EL we should not be demanding and expecting semi -final finishes as a minimum. Equally, we should be employing a manager who is capable of delivering that, which we are not.

 

I admire your loyalty to Brendan in the face of overwhelming odds now. But you are totally wrong to suggest a media led campaign against him, try telling the fans in the Scotty Road after the Carlisle, West Ham and last night’s games that they are sheep following the media and you will be surprised by the strength of their counter case…

I don't think Rodgers was out done by the other manager, we dominated the game and had more the enough chances to win.Sion were lucky to get a draw and that's not bias.

 

Origi has started 2-3 games and is still adjusting, he should have done better but I won't be writing him off yet.

 

The way your talking about Europe you would think we are out, that game will prove meaningless if we qualify which I fully expect us to.

 

I didn't see Carlisle but I've heard a lot say their gk had a great game and was making loads of saves, west ham was poor but individual mistakes gave them a two goal lead and they set back which is what they are good at.

 

Right now this isn't great for BR I can't deny but a win on Sunday will change most peoples opinions, when he done it last season in the knockout stages most accepted it after city until we were out of the race for fourth.

[skend04]

Liverpool have been ahead against Norwich, Carlisle and now Sion, the perfect base to put such limited opposition to the sword.

 

Yet in a strange quirk of fate the equaliser has arrived just 13 minutes later on all three occasions.

 

Unlucky for some?

Hmm...I know Bet365 have markets for goals scored during a particular 5/10 minute bracket so if we take the lead I might have a bit of a punt on it.

[Gym Beglin]

So what had I said that you disagree with, that game was meaningless and we should have won.If we win on Sunday and players who were rested perform his decision will be justified.

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No it won't.

 

What would be so good about beating mid table side? To get closer to fourth? To what end? What's the point in aiming for Europe when we're not good enough to be there?

 

We need a manager who values European competition and knows how to set a team up. Only then is it even worth attempting to qualify for the CL again.

[Hades]

You know things are dire when even xerxes has given up trolling and is churning out quality posts. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Right now this isn't great for BR I can't deny but a win on Sunday will change most peoples opinions, when he done it last season in the knockout stages most accepted it after city until we were out of the race for fourth.

 

It won't JP, it really won't. I know you accuse fans of being fickle, but you have to accept that how many currently view Rodgers is not based on one game here or there but from months and even years.

 

You see the draw in Europe as unlucky, but considering how many times those defending Rodgers say our luck's been poor, you'd have to accept the reasons others see it as part of a pattern.

 

We've been here before, a few half decent performances predicted and the corner supposedly turned; most people now are just waiting for the next West Ham, or worse, Stoke type of result.

 

Europe, currently, is a decent indicator of our level, and the level of the league in general.

[TheHowieLama]

You know things are dire when even xerxes has given up trolling and is churning out quality posts. 

 

Backed in haste.

[JermainePennant]

It won't JP, it really won't. I know you accuse fans of being fickle, but you have to accept that how many currently view Rodgers is not based on one game here or there but from months and even years.

 

You see the draw in Europe as unlucky, but considering how many times those defending Rodgers say our luck's been poor, you'd have to accept the reasons others see it as part of a pattern.

 

We've been here before, a few half decent performances predicted and the corner supposedly turned; most people now are just waiting for the next West Ham, or worse, Stoke type of result.

 

Europe, currently, is a decent indicator of our level, and the level of the league in general.

Our squad players and youngsters played last night, that team will never play an important game together.

 

Everyone's saying we should be battering these kind of teams but I don't remember that being the norm at LFC, even when we used to put our first team out games were close in terms of the score most times.

 

Gus Poyet was one of the only ones talking sense last night, he said before the game everyone could see the game against Everton was the priority and people shouldn't be too concerned with that result.

 

We are not the first team who hasn't won in the Europa league when they've put squad players out, if you look through the results last night other big European teams lost against small teams.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Our squad players and youngsters played last night, that team will never play an important game together.

 

Everyone's saying we should be battering these kind of teams but I don't remember that being the norm at LFC, even when we used to put our first team out games were close in terms of the score most times.

 

Gus Poyet was one of the only ones talking sense last night, he said before the game everyone could see the game against Everton was the priority and people shouldn't be too concerned with that result.

 

We are not the first team who hasn't won in the Europa league when they've put squad players out, if you look through the results last night other big European teams lost against small teams.

 

But we're drawing and losing whether it's the first team or not. At some point you'll have to see this is a pattern - you can't keep saying it's just one game.

 

The games you allude to, where the score was close, were still largely wins. 1-0 is good, 1-1 may only be a goal's difference, but it's a world away if you hold any serious thoughts about winning anything. We used to win by low margins, but that doesn't make it comparable to what we've seen in Europe under Rodgers.

[DJLJ]

Our squad players and youngsters played last night, that team will never play an important game together.

 

Everyone's saying we should be battering these kind of teams but I don't remember that being the norm at LFC, even when we used to put our first team out games were close in terms of the score most times.

 

Gus Poyet was one of the only ones talking sense last night, he said before the game everyone could see the game against Everton was the priority and people shouldn't be too concerned with that result.

 

We are not the first team who hasn't won in the Europa league when they've put squad players out, if you look through the results last night other big European teams lost against small teams.

A game in Europe is not an important game?