Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Anny Road]

There is no valid argument though? Or if there is I’ve not seen one that hasn’t turned out to be a lie.

Opinions eh. Cooperation, trust, trade, peace etc could all be accomplished without political and financial union.

[Gnasher]

I couldn't stand the French cunt before today, but he is right, let's not blame the people of Middlesbrough or Rochdale and let's have a proper debate about how Eu policies affect poor areas.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Strange that no one wants to discuss what the French have to say about brexit ( can't stand the cunt but he had it spot on today on the marr show).

Who are you calling "no one" you cunt?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Macron also said if there was a vote in France it would be a vote for out,

 

Anyone want to debate that?

Maybe the French?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

AOT.

Whilst this is something you obviously care passionately about and you do make some valid points your fervour and unwillingness to even contemplate a valid argument for removing ourselves from a political union makes you as blinkered as the bigoted idiots you often accuse all Brexit supporters of being.

I have never accused all Leave voters of being idiots and I arrived at my current position by thoroughly evaluating the arguments of both sides.

[Anny Road]

I have never accused all Leave voters of being idiots and I arrived at my current position by thoroughly evaluating the arguments of both sides.

Fair enough mate and I’m not having a pop. Much of your sentiment I agree with.

[Lee909]

Macron also said if there was a vote in France it would be a vote for out,

 

Anyone want to debate that?

Yeah great a country who has nearly voted in a far right party now on a few occasions.

 

Anyone would think theres a link between far right groups and anti integration thoughts

[Section_31]

Yeah great a country who has nearly voted in a far right party now on a few occasions.

 

Anyone would think theres a link between far right groups and anti integration thoughts

It's not an entirely unreasonable thing for a population to have fears about though is it surely?

 

I can't think of any other societies outside of Europe who've been asked to integrate with others and have laws, regulations and free movement imposed upon them.

 

Thought it was funny recently when the EU signed a trade deal with Japan and it was marketed as a sort of 'ha dumb brits here's what you could have won!'. Yet Japan is probably one of the most homogenous societies in the world. Imagine saying 'let's do this deal but by the way you'll have to accept eastern European Labour'. They'd probably come at you with meat cleavers.

[Lee909]

Doubts no,no issues but imo it often goes far past that.

End up with people looking backwards for a past that never existed.

 

The issue is not immigration taking up all the jobs but the fact so many jobs that employed people in the past do not exists anymore.

The factories,labour jobs are gone with either machines or CEO moving production to the far east.

 

The point on France was more im not going to listen to how a country would possibly vote out of the EU when nearly 11ml of them voted for the French version of the National Front. 

[skend04]

It's not an entirely unreasonable thing for a population to have fears about though is it surely?

 

I can't think of any other societies outside of Europe who've been asked to integrate with others and have laws, regulations and free movement imposed upon them.

 

Thought it was funny recently when the EU signed a trade deal with Japan and it was marketed as a sort of 'ha dumb brits here's what you could have won!'. Yet Japan is probably one of the most homogenous societies in the world. Imagine saying 'let's do this deal but by the way you'll have to accept eastern European Labour'. They'd probably come at you with meat cleavers.

Pretty disingenuous when what Japan agreed to and what the UK are asking for are poles apart.

[Gnasher]

Yeah great a country who has nearly voted in a far right party now on a few occasions.

 

Anyone would think theres a link between far right groups and anti integration thoughts

Er the socialist candidate wanted to pull.france out of the Eu.

[Strontium]

It takes longer, and is more difficult, to promote left wing ideas because they generally aren't as simplistic as right wing ones.

 

Huh. Where is the complexity in "let's take money off the rich and give it to the poor"? I'm obviously missing it.

[Boss]

What EU countries do you think would leave if a vote was put to the people? 

[skend04]

Who is everyone going to vote for when the Labour leadership shifts it's position to represent its members who are very much in favour of staying in the Single Market and the Customs Union?

[Gnasher]

What EU countries do you think would leave if a vote was put to the people?

France, and that would be enough to bring the Eu to it's end.

 

Spain is in total disarray ask the people of Barcelona what they think of the Eu leaders.

 

Italy is close to financial meltdown after 10 years of austerity.

 

The Eu president Junker did receive a warm reception when he went to Greece though, the Greeks hurled petrol bombs at the deluded cunt.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I think the Catalan separatists have more of an issue with Madrid than Brussels.

 

It's pure speculation, of course, but I wonder whether other EU countries have had decades of their mainstream politicians and media priming them to vote Leave by blaming the EU for everything.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

While we're on the subject of other Member States, the Front National, AfD, Golden Dawn and Fascists in Denmark, Sweden, etc. joined the UK's homegrown Fascists in celebrating the Brexit vote and hoping that it would be the beginning of the end of the EU.

 

Doesn't that make you a little uneasy, finding yourself on the same side as those twats?

[Boss]

If this organisation is so great and so benevolent to the people it holds dominion over, then why not give all the people (and all the countries) a vote and let them decide? Surely they've got nothing to worry about, right?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

If this organisation is so great and so benevolent to the people it holds dominion over, then why not give all the people (and all the countries) a vote and let them decide? Surely they've got nothing to worry about, right?

Because people always vote in their best interest, right?

Nobody ever votes in response to lies that they've been fed, right?

[Section_31]

Huh. Where is the complexity in "let's take money off the rich and give it to the poor"? I'm obviously missing it.

It's more of a case of let's spread the money in the economy more fairly so consumers have money to spend and the country's infrastructure is fit for purpose creating a generally better society to live in for everyone.

 

As opposed to

 

Let's not give money to poor people - even though they actually generate most of that money with their thankless graft working long hours on zero hours for ever decreasing rewards, while I give it all to my billionaire boss to put in a Cayman islands shell company and donate some of it to the conservative party to maintain the status quo.

[skend04]

If this organisation is so great and so benevolent to the people it holds dominion over, then why not give all the people (and all the countries) a vote and let them decide? Surely they've got nothing to worry about, right?

There's nothing stopping member states holding a referendum but then you should know that already. It'd be interesting to see if the people in the EU think Muslims and brown faces all come from their continent like the enlightened people of Barnsley believe.

[Moctezuma]

 

Can't wait till that dark blue blob of olds in Spain is back on our shores, then we'll be a world power again, plus we can get rid of all the youngs from abroad who had another government educate them and who hardly use our social services, they're useless.

[Gnasher]

While we're on the subject of other Member States, the Front National, AfD, Golden Dawn and Fascists in Denmark, Sweden, etc. joined the UK's homegrown Fascists in celebrating the Brexit vote and hoping that it would be the beginning of the end of the EU.

Doesn't that make you a little uneasy, finding yourself on the same side as those twats?

Or to be more topical, as the French president said on Sunday, on the same side of the people of france.

[Gnasher]

There's nothing stopping member states holding a referendum but then you should know that already. It'd be interesting to see if the people in the EU think Muslims and brown faces all come from their continent like the enlightened people of Barnsley believe.

 

The people of Barnsley to my knowledge have not voted for austerity, a failing health service and overseas wars.

 

You sound more like a bigoted fool than the people you slur.

[skend04]

The people of Barnsley to my knowledge have not voted for austerity, a failing health service and overseas wars.

 

You sound more like a bigoted fool than the people you slur.

If Barnsley voted for Labour throughout the Blair years then I'm afraid you'll have to accept they voted for war.

 

Bar that, wasn't it Barnsley where Channel 4 went and had locals telling them they wanted Muslims out so voted out. I'm not sure how I'm being a bigot pointing this out.