Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[magicrat]

My understanding was always that the TA SAS where what the real SAS used as test dummies.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/theoffice/gareth/

 

 

 

He fits well into the cabinet on that basis

[Stickman]

I see that horrible lying twat Oakshott is up to her neck in it...

 

Hopefully the Beeb will stop employing her but I doubt it

 

 

 

 

How a Journalist Kept Russia’s Secret Links to Brexit Under Wraps A pro-Brexit journalist held back evidence of links between Russia and the Brexit campaign while playing down so-called conspiracy theories on TV.

 

The extent of Russia’s interference in the 2016 votes for Trump and Brexit has been investigated by intelligence agencies, congressional and parliamentary inquiries, the FBI and special counsel Robert Mueller’s office for more than a year.

For much of that time, a reporter in England has been in possession of extraordinary details about Russia’s cultivation and handling of Brexit’s biggest bankroller. Arron Banks was secretly in regular contact with Russian officials from 2015 to 2017, according to a cache of emails apparently not seen in those Transatlantic investigations until they were published in Britain on Sunday.

Banks, who ran the Leave.EU campaign group, was one of the first foreign political figures to visit Donald Trump—accompanying Nigel Farage to Trump Tower—soon after the shock presidential election of 2016. Farage is reportedly a “person of interest” in the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation.

Isabel Oakeshott, a former Sunday Times journalist who ghost-wrote Banks’ book, The Bad Boys of Brexit, was granted access to his emails in the summer of 2016 in order to help draft the diaries. The book mentions one meeting at the Russian embassy which has been the focus of great interest ever since, especially amid questions about where Banks’ sourced the multi-million pound funding of Brexit. He has denied the money came from Russia.

Oakeshott says she did not discover the stunning extent of Banks’ true dealings with Russia until last year. Even then, she decided not to publish saying she wanted to wait until the publication of her next book White Flag? in August. It is unclear whether the Electoral Commission’s investigations into Banks’ financing of the Brexit campaign would have been completed by August.

Oakeshott was keen to keep her treasure trove of Brexit/Russia revelations for her book launch, but she has not merely kept out of the debate about the legitimacy of the Brexit campaign. Describing herself as “a long-standing Brexit supporter,” who is close to Farage and Banks, Oakeshott has become a regular TV pundit shooting down “conspiracy theories” about the validity of the Brexit vote amid claims of Russian influence or reports about Cambridge Analytica’s disputed involvement.

 

 

Three months ago

after Cadwalladr’s stories uncovering the misuse of tens of millions of Facebook profiles by Cambridge Analytica, which was linked to the Trump campaign and Leave.EU.

Cadwalladr, who has spent the last two years investigating the nexus of Farage, Banks, Trump, Cambridge Analytica and Russia, raised concerns about the validity of the Brexit vote. When the presenter asked Oakeshott about her relationship with Banks, she said: “There just isn’t a conspiracy here, Carole, I just feel like you’re chasing unicorns.”

Oakeshott’s attitude apparently changed on Friday when she learned that Cadwalladr—along with Peter Jukes—was preparing another story for Sunday.

An email, seen by The Daily Beast, was sent to Banks at 11.57am on Friday by Cadwalladr advising him that The Observer had obtained copies of his emails which laid bare the scale of his interactions with Russia. They appeared to show that he and Leave.EU colleague Andy Wigmore had multiple meetings with high-ranking Russian officials, that Banks visited Moscow in February 2016, and that he had been introduced to a Russian businessman by the Russian ambassador who allegedly offered him a multibillion dollar investment opportunity in Russian goldmines.

Banks did not respond to the email until 10.30pm that night, saying he was out of the office and could not respond until Monday.

Within hours, Oakeshott was in touch with Cadwalladr, however. At first she accused The Observer of hacking her archive and stealing the emails—an allegation the reporters deny—but by late afternoon on Saturday she had entered into a discussion about cooperating with The Guardian/The Observer if they agreed to hold the story until Monday.

By then, a team at The Sunday Times, where Oakeshott used to work, was in full swing producing their own version of the stunning story which they managed to break before The Observer late on Saturday.

The Sunday Times reported that Banks admitted passing over contact details for members of the Trump transition team to Russian officials and meeting with the Russian ambassador in London just three days after their Trump Tower summit.

Their package came complete with a commentary from Oakeshott herself, in which she expressed her shock at the revelations. “I was very surprised by what I found, which conflicted with the public accounts of the relationship with the ­Russian embassy,” she wrote. “Suddenly the Russian embassy in ­London had a potential back channel to the White House.”

Oakeshott has not responded to questions from The Daily Beast, including whether she has passed the emails to the FBI, the Mueller probe or Britain’s Electoral Commission.

Jukes said he was concerned that the information may not have reached the ongoing inquiries in time. “There’s every indication that Isabel Oakeshott was planning to hold back revealing this explosive material until her book was published in August,” he said. “With an Electoral Commission investigation into Banks’ financing of Brexit underway since November, you would have thought that the public interest of this story was more important than keeping the scoop for a book.”

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-a-journalist-kept-russias-secret-links-to-brexit-under-wraps?source=twitter&via=mobile

[Section_31]

She's one of my guilt crushes oakenshield. She's dirty.

[deiseach]

She's one of my guilt crushes oakenshield. She's dirty.

 

You should feel guilty, she is garbage in human form. The classic example of someone born on third base who thinks they've hit a triple.

[Rico1304]

Land Rover moving Discovery production to Slovakia.

 

Although elec vehicles will remain in uk. Wonder how much that cost?

[deiseach]

Isabel Oakeshott has the proof that her emails were hacked:

 

(h/t)

[Rico1304]

Interesting thread on the current state of affairs from the perspective of a Leaver.

 

https://twitter.com/gatypical/status/1006114788722831360?s=21

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Nadine Dorries is an MP. If Nadine Dorries can be an MP, anyone can.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

You should feel guilty, she is garbage in human form. The classic example of someone born on third base who thinks they've hit a triple.

Secsh has just nipped off to spend some "quiet time" thinking about third base with Oakeshott.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Interesting thread on the current state of affairs from the perspective of a Leaver.

 

https://twitter.com/gatypical/status/1006114788722831360?s=21

Hard to argue with this bit.

 

Our politicians failed us in the way they presented the Brexit vote. They divided the country. They failed us by taking us into the EU without a proper national conversation and mandate. They've failed us in the Brexit negotiations and most of them are failing us now.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Two years after the Referendum, it's worth remembering that the choice was "Keep what you've got, or trade it for the Mystery Box."

 

Now the box has been opened and everyone can see it contains a dying rat and a human turd, a large proportion of the population still want to keep the box.

 

What the fuck is wrong with people?

[Anny Road]

Hard to argue with this bit.

 

Our politicians failed us in the way they presented the Brexit vote. They divided the country. They failed us by taking us into the EU without a proper national conversation and mandate. They've failed us in the Brexit negotiations and most of them are failing us now.[/size]

Hard to argue with that.

Even as a leave voter is has to be be said that this is a massive fuckup.

It’s not done yet and my only hope is that it leads to the dissolution of the Conservative Party as we know it. That may mean a period of Mogg or Johnson.

Again this is where Labour has let us down. While it is difficult to see how they could formulate a policy to unite it does not justify their own efforts to oust the leader. If only we had a viable third choice. We did a few years ago but they fucked that up and no way anyone is voting for Cable.

The perfect shit storm.

[cloggypop]

Phillip Lee resigned over Brexit.

[Rico1304]

Hard to argue with that.

Even as a leave voter is has to be be said that this is a massive fuckup.

It’s not done yet and my only hope is that it leads to the dissolution of the Conservative Party as we know it. That may mean a period of Mogg or Johnson.

Again this is where Labour has let us down. While it is difficult to see how they could formulate a policy to unite it does not justify their own efforts to oust the leader. If only we had a viable third choice. We did a few years ago but they fucked that up and no way anyone is voting for Cable.

The perfect shit storm.

But the failure to secure a good deal was a perfectly foreseeable result of Brexit. Too big a gamble to take.

[Anny Road]

But the failure to secure a good deal was a perfectly foreseeable result of Brexit. Too big a gamble to take.

Then it should never have been on the table. You cannot blame voters when asked for their opinion.

[Rico1304]

Then it should never have been on the table. You cannot blame voters when asked for their opinion.

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Or they should t have been allowed to be lied to and manipulated by a foreign power.

 

Although a simple ‘in or out’ vote was crazy.

[Anny Road]

It was more to appease the potential revolution in the torys and the growth of UKIP. Never did they imagine an out vote would prevail.

It is not the business of the electorate to pontificate the ramifications and difficulties in implementation thats what civil servants are for. If leaving meant wipeout the question should never have been tabled.

We have been lied to and are continuing to be by all parties. Labour included.

[Rico1304]

Labour being whipped to abstain today. Go Jez.

[Anny Road]

Labour being whipped to abstain today. Go Jez.

He permanently abstains on this issue. I like him but on this his is weak and has no balls.

[Strontium]

Labour being whipped to abstain today. Go Jez.

Those famous principles in action again.

[Anny Road]

I assume the Lib Dems will be a 3 line whip against the motion then?

[Strontium]

Lib Dem MPs will be supporting the amendment to keep the UK in the single market, as they did in the Lords (with enough Labour rebels defying the whip to pass it).

[Anny Road]

It is an excellent debate. Fair play to the MP's.

[Moctezuma]

Two years after the Referendum, it's worth remembering that the choice was "Keep what you've got, or trade it for the Mystery Box."

 

Now the box has been opened and everyone can see it contains a dying rat and a human turd, a large proportion of the population still want to keep the box.

 

What the fuck is wrong with people?

 

It's psychological people hate to be told that they were wrong/made a poorly informed decision.

 

The thing that irritates me is it's my generation and those who are younger who will bear the brunt of this fucking shambles, the olds (the vast majority of whom voted for it) will continue to be protected and pandered to at every opportunity. The only ramification for them might be when the local geriatric ward closes because there are no more Portuguese to wipe their backsides.

[Gym Beglin]

Appalling scheduling by the government.

 

How aren’t people rioting about this bunch of fascist pricks?