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Liverpool 3 Southampton 0 (Nov 18 2017)



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I could get used to this. Four easy, comfortable, routine wins in games we’re supposed to win easily, comfortable and routinely. This is what good teams do, but too often we haven’t. 

 

I’ve heard a lot about how bad Southampton looked but to me that’s missing the point. Whether they are good, bad, indifferent, so what? We’ve dropped points to worse teams than Southampton, that’s for sure. 

 

You can’t complain about not beating shite teams and then when they do beat them dismiss it on the grounds that “they’re shite”. We know Southampton aren’t great. Huddersfield aren’t either. West Ham are terrible and Maribor are no better. So what though. Aren’t these exactly the kind of teams we usually shit the bed against? 

 

So rather than downgrade the performance on the basis that it wasn’t against quality opposition, I’m going the other way. Results like these are far more significant than what we saw last year, when we were walloping Spurs and Arsenal and winning at Chelsea etc 

 

Where did that get us? Fourth place by the skin of our teeth. When you have that kind of record against the top teams you should be running away with the league. Instead we were in a dogfight to get fourth and needed a last day victory to secure it. Why? Because we didn’t win enough of the games we were supposed to. 

 

Recently we’ve started winning the games we’re supposed to and not only that, we’ve won them at a canter. As I said, we’re doing what good teams do. It’s too small a sample size to say we’ve finally cracked the problem, but it feels encouraging. 

 

I’d say much of it depends on who we have available, and specifically I’m referring to the two wide players. As long as we have Mané and Salah in the side I’d fancy us to break down even the most stubborn of opposition in all but the rarest of occasions. 

 

Add Coutinho to that and it’s an awful lot for opposing teams to have to contain. Salah is on fire at the moment, but Mané’s time will come too. Next week it might be him hitting four goals in two games, or it could be Firmino, who isn’t scoring much right now but is playing superbly. 

 

This was such a dominant all round performance. Southampton never laid a glove on us and although we’ve scored three, it felt like we were playing within ourselves a little and had another gear to go to if needed. It was the same in the three previous games. 

 

Mané and Salah were tormenting Southampton from the start. Sadio whipped in two great balls with his left foot, and if he continues to do it’s going to make him even more difficult to stop. Showing him on the outside is the best way to play him, but not if he’s going to put quality balls in like that. 

 

From one of them, Mo could have put us in front early on but appeared to shin it and missed the target. He had another effort blocked as Southampton desperately tried to scramble away after a run by Trent has caused problems. 

 

Salah wouldn’t be denied though and on the half hour mark he whipped in a brilliant curler from the corner of the box. You can’t stop that. You can’t stop Salah, not at the moment anyway. He’s in one of those spells that players dream of. 14 goals in 18 games and he’s not even an out and out striker. 

 

Van Dyke went walkabout for the second. It wasn’t a good look, he left a massive gap because he followed Firmino out into no mans land. That kind of thing doesn’t show up on any stat sheet for Firmino, but it was directly responsible for Mo scoring. 

 

Coutinho will get the assist, and it was a lovely little ball, but without Van Dyke getting sucked out of the middle it doesn’t happen. 
The only surprising thing to me was that we only managed to find the net one more time. It could have been more, there were plenty of opportunities, but Coutinho’s strike at the Kop end was all we had to show for it. Again, Firmino was involved as his shot was parried by Forster but Coutinho followed up with the rebound. 

 

I hadn’t ever noticed before but Forster wears number 44. What’s that about? Does it refer to the amount of volts that need pumping into the bolts on his neck? It was great seeing him pick the ball out of his net three times as I can’t stand that fucker. 

 

That was Coutinho’s last involvement as Klopp wisely brought him off at that point. The more games we can win early the better now, because we’re playing twice a week every week right up until the new year. Any chance we can rest Coutinho, Mané and Salah has to be taken. 

 

The squad is strong in most areas and there are a lot of players who can’t get in the team. Matip, Can, Milner, Gomez, Lallana, Ox, Sturridge, Solanke, Woodburn, Robertson, Ings… all good players who weren’t in that starting eleven. We’ll need most of them over the coming weeks as the games come thick and fast. 

 

Hopefully we can take care of Sevilla on Tuesday because not only do we owe them one, but it would mean the final match against Moscow is a dead rubber and Klopp could rest everybody. 

 

The response after the Spurs game has been great and has rectified a lot of the damage. The table isn’t looking too bad, with us just four points off second spot. Forget City, they’re off over the horizon and no-one is chasing them down. 

 

In some respects I feel like they should just be ignored anyway, the financial fair play dodging cunts. Finishing as the best of the rest would be an achievement in itself and that’s what we have to aspire to now. 

 

The way to do that is to keep winning the games we’re supposed to win, and then make sure we don’t lose too many of the difficult ones. 

 

What we’ve done since Spurs is exactly what needs to be done and if we can keep that up we’ll be alright. We’re a great team to watch when we’ve got all of our best players out there and the speed and one touch football is mesmerising at times. 

 

We almost scored from an opposition corner again too, but Moreno’s lack of a right foot robbed us of what would have been another for an ever expanding collection. The speed with which we break is incredible, it’s probably been the best thing about the season so far. I fucking love those counter attacks. 

 

It was a pity Moreno didn’t finish it but every time we do that it will make opposing teams that little bit less inclined to send too many players forward from set pieces or in general play, which can only help the defence. 

 

Star man is Mo but everyone played well. I could single out most of them but the two I want to mention are Lovren and Moreno. I wouldn’t have started Lovren, he’s looked like a bag of nerves this season and I’m not sure I’d have trusted him in a game against his former club, with Van Dyke in opposition and everyone comparing the two. 

 

He was good though. Not the most difficult game obviously, but what he had to do he did well enough. No doubt he enjoyed flattening Van Dyke just before half time too. His best moment was when he was left isolated against Boufal but made a good block, that drew a huge fist pump from Klopp. 

 

None of this changes my opinion on him and I have no doubt it’s the same for all of you reading too. I just think he deserves some credit for not being shit. 

 

As for Moreno, he continues to impress. He actually is a changed man, it’s one of the most remarkable turnarounds I can ever remember. He’s going to do something stupid eventually, but when he does I’m not going to see that as proof that he’s still the same brainless idiot he was before, because he’s not. 

 

He’ll make a mistake soon probably, everyone does, but there’s enough body of evidence now to see that he has improved. He’s become a seven out of ten man, with the occasional eight thrown in. I don’t think he’s dipped below that at all this season and he deserves a lot of credit for what he’s done. He even missed the birth of his son because of this game. Consider me now won over.

Team: Mignolet; Alexander-Arnold, Lovren, Klavan, Moreno; Henderson, Wijnaldum, Coutinho (Can); Salah (Milner), Firmino, Mané (Oxlade-Chamberlain):


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Saw in the Salah thread that he was making Mane look average, that's nuts. Nothing average about that inside pass to Firmino leading to the third.  What a player.

 

He'll be more of a factor in the next couple of games against teams that will step out to us.  Interested to see how him and Azpilicueta shape up against each other.

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I’m amazed by that point you make about Moreno Dave. There’s no doubt he’s been good so far this season, but to be won over by three months of good football when there’s little pressure on him, thereby ignoring the three seasons of shite including the debacle against his former club, is mad.

 

I have been impressed by his improvements this season, but I’m nowhere near being won over yet. I’m merely in “suspending my disbelief” mode. If his whole season pans out this way then that’s another matter, but we’ve barely got near the tough part of the season yet - never mind the business end when every game is high pressure.

 

The lad deserves credit for his improvements and I was certainly impressed by his comments about looking at himself for his poor football in the interviews he did last week. Won over though? Not yet.

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Why wasn't that offered to me Dave when I joined , you two-faced Cunt .

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Why wasn't that offered to me Dave when I joined , you two-faced Cunt .

 

 

Dave's parked the bus on this one, you've got no chance. 

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I think what Dave is trying to say is that he isn’t going to be one of the raft of cunts who will be all over Moreno the next time he has a bad performance. 3 months of good performances should earn you a bit of leeway. The best players in the world can’t be good every single week, well maybe Gerrard was for about 7/8 years but that’s unreasonable. It won’t stop people absolutely destroying him next time he makes a glaring error which every player does on occasion.

 

What Moreno’s done this season doesn’t make his previous performances good but let’s not make out as though they were all bad either. What these 3 months or so have shown is that he is capable of a long extended run in the team and having a positive impact. He’s matured and focused in every game. He has his quirks and weaknesses but if he can continue in this form it’s not a position to be worrying about any more.

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Moreno payed a big part in us losing the Europa league final and it’s going to take more than 11 league games of decent form to forgive that imo.

He was poor in the home game against Seville this season as well so he’s not had quite the perfect season so far some seem to be making out.

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I’m amazed by that point you make about Moreno Dave. There’s no doubt he’s been good so far this season, but to be won over by three months of good football when there’s little pressure on him, thereby ignoring the three seasons of shite including the debacle against his former club, is mad.

 

I have been impressed by his improvements this season, but I’m nowhere near being won over yet. I’m merely in “suspending my disbelief” mode. If his whole season pans out this way then that’s another matter, but we’ve barely got near the tough part of the season yet - never mind the business end when every game is high pressure.

 

The lad deserves credit for his improvements and I was certainly impressed by his comments about looking at himself for his poor football in the interviews he did last week. Won over though? Not yet.

Playing for a club like this means every player is under pressure every time they pull on that shirt and step onto the pitch.  Waiting for something to happen so you can stick the boot into one of your own players is my definition of mad.

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Playing for a club like this means every player is under pressure every time they pull on that shirt and step onto the pitch.  Waiting for something to happen so you can stick the boot into one of your own players is my definition of mad.

 

 

if players made just a few mistakes, no-one would really notice.  It's when they repeat the errors time and time again it becomes irksome.   Moreno will naturally get a bit more leeway these days than he would have done if he was still stinking the place out game after game.  Anyway, the lad is doing ok at the moment, so let's hope it continues.  

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Playing for a club like this means every player is under pressure every time they pull on that shirt and step onto the pitch. Waiting for something to happen so you can stick the boot into one of your own players is my definition of mad.

having faith in mignolet, lovern and Moreno is my idea of mad.

All 3 of them have proven over the time they’ve been here is that they can have good spells of form but ultimately are weak mentally and will let you down.

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having faith in mignolet, lovern and Moreno is my idea of mad.

All 3 of them have proven over the time they’ve been here is that they can have good spells of form but ultimately are weak mentally and will let you down.

 

 

I'm not sure many if any have any great faith in any of them, but it seems churlish to have a pop at any of them while we appear to be stringing a few good team performances together.  Enjoy it while it lasts.  

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I always enjoy when we win.

Doesn’t change that those 3 players imo should have been moved on over the last 3/4 transfer windows and upgraded on.

 

 

I find that very difficult to disagree with.  

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Moreno payed a big part in us losing the Europa league final and it’s going to take more than 11 league games of decent form to forgive that imo.

He was poor in the home game against Seville this season as well so he’s not had quite the perfect season so far some seem to be making out.

 

I hammered him for his part in Sevilla's first goal that night, but other than that he's done very well. Not perfect, but light years better than the player he was before. 

 

As for the Europa final, he should have been bombed out immediately after that but he wasn't, he's still here and it's water under the bridge now for me. No point in holding that against him when he's shown such a good attitude to try and turn thing around.

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Best outcome is the treble with Alberto M adopting the Josemi stance in all photos.

 

Tougher tests lie ahead and Paul is right when he talks about pressure in that sense but we should still acknowledge that he has done an excellent job so far.  He has kept out a new signing (who has generally impressed) and earned a recall to the Spain squad.  Alberto M's impressive energetic displays are a great feature of the start to this season. 

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Little pressure? There are 40,000 regulars who can't wait to groan when he makes his next mistake. He gets zero dispensation.

That’s the basic pressure of playing for Liverpool. Goes with the territory.
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Not sure I would be praising Moreno just before the Seville game that's asking for trouble, but in fairness to him he has improved his game the last few months.

 

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