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Before this one I mentioned to a few people that the last time I felt this confident before a big game was Chelsea last season, and we all know what happened that day. Little did I know this one would be so eerily, gut wrenchingly similar. Steven Gerrard was unfortunate against Chelsea, this time he was just reckless and irresponsible. I’ll get to that in due course though, as his stupidity had no bearing on what had gone on in the 45 minutes before his introduction.

 

The players just didn’t look that arsed in the first half and it was difficult to comprehend what was happening. Second to every ball, shitting out of tackles, not bothering to show for the ball at throw ins, not closing anyone down, allowing Fellaini to just do whatever he wanted…. it was just shite. I’d suggest it was as bad as anything we saw between August-December when we mostly sucked donkey balls.

 

This was our biggest game of the season by a mile yet over half the team simply never showed up. Maybe it was nerves, maybe it was complacency or perhaps we’re just not as good as we thought. Whatever it was, we were utterly abject.

 

United didn’t even do anything extravagant formation wise, yet they completely shut us down. If Van Gaal had come up with some sort of unusual system or strategy that confused us I could have understood it, but it looked to me like they just worked harder. No doubt there will have been some little subtle tactical wrinkles in there and Van Gaal will know better than anyone the strengths and weaknesses of this system having often played something similar during his long career. To my untrained eye though it didn’t appear that they were doing anything we hadn’t faced and overcome before.

 

United passed it around well and they stopped us from doing likewise by pressing us high up the pitch and that was the difference in the first half. They wanted it more. That and the fact they could just frequently launch it at Fellaini who would then bring it down and find team-mates and allow them to have good possession in our half, whereas we had no out ball as Sturridge was largely anonymous and had little support.

 

They were comfortably the better side before the break yet they only had one real chance of note, as did we. The difference was that Mata put his away and Lallana missed his. For all their territorial dominance that’s what it boiled down to; one chance for each side, they scored and we didn’t. The second half was much the same story actually. One great chance each (until their stoppage time penalty), both of which were converted.

 

The biggest difference was that they looked like a team, a cohesive unit with everyone working together, while we were just like a rag tag bunch of strangers trying to do their own thing, at least in the first half.

 

Skrtel and Sakho played to their usual high level, Mignolet was fine too, but everyone else was below par. We didn’t dominate the midfield, we were pitiful on the flanks, the two attacking midfielders never influenced the game and Sturridge was starved of any service and never really looked up for the fight.

 

Sterling was woeful in the first half. Prior to kick off I liked the idea of him playing on the right against Blind, as the Dutchman isn’t the quickest and it looked like an avenue we could exploit. It never happened though as Sterling was a complete non-factor for most of the game. It’s starting to feel like the last time he was looking for a new contract, when his form went to pot and everyone was pissed off with him.

 

Back then it was “you want 50k a week and you’re playing like that? Get to fuck!” Two years later and it’s “You want 150k a week and you’re playing like that? Get to fuck!” Inflation sure has a much higher rate in football than anywhere else doesn’t it. Not even fuel goes up like ticket prices and player salaries.

 

Far be it for me to stick up for Sterling, as he’s not a sympathetic figure by any means and I’m of the mindset that if you’re wanting big boy wages then you’re going to have to deliver big boy performances virtually every time you step onto the field. He’s not doing that consistently enough this season, but in this game he played three different positions (technically four as it looked like he was playing up front for the 30 seconds Gerrard was on the field) and it’s not the first time either. That can’t help him really, and it needs sorting out.

 

I really like this system but I don’t think we can continue playing it while we have such problems at both wing back spots. Markovic briefly looked like he could do the job before reverting back to his pre-December form, Sterling is wasted out there, Lallana the same, Manquillo is crap going forward, Enrique has made more appearances at Knowsley Safari Park this season than he has for the first team and while it’s kind of flown under the radar a bit, Moreno has actually been bang average at best for most of the season.

 

He’s been living off that Spurs goal all season as he’s really not contributing much. Against the Mancs he was painfully bad and Mata had him on toast the entire game, it was embarrassing. Ibe looks to be the only good option we have for either wing back spot and unless Rodgers comes up with something he may have to revert to a back four until he can bring in specialists to fill the roles (Milner would look to be a good fit on the right for example).

 

Some feel that other teams have now sussed out how to play against this system and that may be the case. There are some very clued up coaches out there and given enough time they’ll figure out how to nullify any system. At the beginning of the season teams looked like they’d figured out our midfield diamond too, but a lot of it is down to personnel. The systems will work if the quality of player is high enough. Had Suarez still been here the diamond would still work because you can’t shut down a player like that, especially when he’s got Sterling and Sturridge alongside him.

 

Likewise, the current system could still function effectively with better wingbacks and Sterling up front in place of Sturridge. Not that I’m advocating that, far from it. Sturridge is arguably our biggest asset and we need to be looking at how we can get him looking like himself again rather than dropping him for someone who can’t finish.

 

Sterling makes the system work a lot better than Sturridge does, but given that Sturridge is the only reliable goalscorer we have then Brendan needs to tweak things to make it easier for him. Whether that’s an extra striker instead of one of the duel number tens, or a return to the 4-4-2 diamond or something else entirely I have no idea, but he’s got the international break to figure it out before we travel to Arsenal.

 

The introduction of Gerrard was the right call and had he not been such a dick then who knows what would have happened. Rodgers had reverted to a back four and a diamond and usually he gets these things right. He’s turned many a game with his tactical nous but we’ll never know if his tactical switch would have changed the course of this game because 36 seconds later we were down to ten men.

 

The crunching tackle Gerrard put in immediately after the restart was exactly what we needed and was probably the reason Herrera then tried to go through him. Job done, he’s got the crowd fired up, his team-mates will have got the message that they need to get stuck into these fuckers and he’s drawn Herrera into a stupid foul that would earn him a booking. So why did he then undo all of that good work by needlessly stamping on him? After all, how many times has he had people fly in at him like that during his career? Hundreds? Thousands even? And he’s never reacted like that until now.

 

That stamp had nothing to do with trying to bring a more physical edge to our game, it was just a scouser who hates United and who let them get under his skin. People can speculate all they like about whether he was frustrated at not starting, or that he was irritated at how passive we’d been in the first half. Both may be true, or maybe it was something a bit more simple: He’s one of us.

 

He’s played countless games against United before and never acted like that, but having spent the entire first half either sat on the bench or warming up yards away from them and listening to all the vile, disgusting shit they were chanting about Heysel and Hillsborough (plus all the crap about him 'costing us the league'), he’s just gone out there wanting to go to war.

 

Usually he’s on the field for the entire time we’re playing them so probably isn’t really too aware of what they’re chanting, but imagine how steaming he must have been listening to them going through their full, hideous back catalogue of offensive chants. “Justice for the 39” “Always the victim” and “The S*n was right, you’re murderers”… It’s a wonder he never took to the field with a baseball bat.

 

I’m not excusing what he did though, he’s the captain and the most experienced man at the club so he needs to set an example and be more responsible. He let everyone down and played right into the hands of the pondlife in the away end. They won, he lost, and so did we as a result of it.

 

He let everyone down and it’s inexcusable for someone of his experience. I understand why he had such an angry head on him but he's paid an awful lot of money to rise above that shit. I wish he’d have channeled his anger a lot less stupidly, or at least waited until stoppage time before stamping on one of them, like Skrtel did.

 

Martin Atkinson can fuck right off though, the shit bastard. Gerrard should have been sent off, that was the correct decision, but he let that gormless gurning twat Phil Jones get away with fucking murder. Rooney too, just what does that weetabix headed, S*n collaborating little scrote have to do to get a yellow card? And he can fuck off with his “fans were amazing” bullshit on twitter. Amazing? Does he even know what they spent the entire game chanting about? I know he’s thick as shit, but is he THAT stupid? He’s a disgrace to his city.

 

I’m not blaming Atkinson for the loss though as it was entirely self inflicted. It’s not sour grapes, but it still needs saying that this fella was simply awful throughout. He booked Allen for a minor tug on a United player near the centre circle, yet allowed Jones to poleaxe Lallana with a clumsy, wild body check. If that isn’t a yellow card offence then we may as well all give up.

 

While our players were immediately handed cards I lost count of the amount of times he opted to merely ‘have a word’ with their players after fouls, and Fellaini seemed mohave license to just run around fouling whoever he liked without punishment. It was the lenience towards Jones that infuriated me most though. Having escaped a yellow for the assault on Lallana he was then booked for a shocker on Henderson. That on it’s own should have been a straight red but the fact he’d already escaped a yellow made it even worse.

 

We’re lucky Balotelli didn’t go the same way as Gerrard and he’s got a couple of fans in the lower Centenary to thank for that. Smalling left a little something on him and nudged him into the boards, and Mario - already on a yellow after a brainless kick out at Jones - looked like he wanted blood. Thankfully he was held back long enough to prevent him doing something daft.

 

Bringing him on was a massive gamble by Brendan but it was one he probably had to take. We were 2-0 down after Mata’s brilliant volley so had to get another forward on. The problem is that you can’t trust him to keep his cool in a cauldron such as this, and being a man down means you need everyone putting in an extra shift, which is not really his thing.

 

The kick on Jones must have had Rodgers tearing his hair out, and too often he was just ambling about while the likes of Sturridge and Coutinho were chasing down the man with the ball. He was decent enough with the ball though and maybe we need to start him now to give Sturridge the help he needs.

 

Sturridge pulled one back with a slightly deflected shot after good work by Coutinho. It was good to see Sturridge just hit the shot first time and not mess about trying to get back onto his left foot, and he got his reward for it. There was still plenty of time left for an equaliser but it never really looked like coming.

 

There was plenty of huff and puff and the players deserve some credit for how they played in the second half. It didn’t always look like we were a man down and had they shown the same work rate in the first half maybe we wouldn’t have lost the game.

 

Overall though it just wasn’t good enough, too many players didn’t perform and few come out of it with any real credit. Sakho stood head and shoulders above everyone, he was outstanding. Skrtel was alright and defensively we held quite firm, although Can didn’t look comfortable at all and his afternoon was summed up by the clumsy penalty he conceded in stoppage time.

 

The only crumb of comfort was that Mignolet managed to keep out Rooney’s spot kick. It didn’t make any difference to the outcome of the game but at least that little scruff didn’t get to celebrate scoring at Anfield in front of all the mutants in the away end. It doesn’t make the loss any easier to take but at least it wasn’t more painful than it needed to be.

 

Maybe we should have seen it coming as let’s face it, our performances have been in decline for a while even if results have been good (in the league anyway). The City game was the one exception as other than that we’ve generally got by on a solid defence and haven’t looked good in attack for weeks. When Coutinho isn’t banging in 25 yarders we’re often finding it tough to score.

 

This result means fourth place has probably gone now, and second or third has sure as hell gone out of the window. Before the game I didn’t think a defeat would be the end of our top four hopes, but I’ve changed my mind now. Firstly, we don’t look capable of winning seven of our eight remaining games, and that’s probably what it will take to catch those above us.

 

Secondly, United are better than I thought they were. They’re nothing special, but after seeing this I’d say it’s far from nailed on that they’ll lose to City and Chelsea. I had them losing both of those but I don’t think that will happen now, which leaves us with a mountain to climb.

 

It hurts and it’s demoralising, but at least it didn’t cost us the title like the Chelsea loss did. Missing out on fourth place? Bothered. The club accountants will be suicidal about it but I won’t lose any sleep over it if we don’t get in. Everything about our club is about money these days and it’s leaving me cold.

 

It wasn’t just events on the pitch that made this such a shitty day either. The first sight I was greeted with as I got out of the car in front of the Kop was some tool getting his picture taken in front of the Shankly statue with a half and half scarf proudly raised above his head. He’s wearing a Liverpool shirt and he’s raising a scarf that’s got the United logo on it, and he's doing it in front of Shanks!! He wasn’t alone either, there were fucking hundreds of them knocking about, easily the most I’ve ever seen.

 

One of the lads I speak to before the game told me he was chatting to a scarf seller outside the Kop and he’d sold out of half and halfs. It’s Manchester United for fucks sake, just what the hell are these people thinking? Do United have the same issue when we play at Old Trafford? I assume they do, it can't just be us.

 

Even worse than the whole scarf thing, within a couple of minutes of me starting to sell the fanzine some fella decked out in LFC swag from the club shop comes up and asks me where “the memorial for the 69” was. No really, he actually said that. It could have been a language issue, but he sounded Scandinavian and most of those lads speak better English than I do. Utterly depressing.

 

It was tourist central though, they were everywhere. Now here’s the thing, I’ve got no problem with anyone who wants to watch the Reds and if someone is prepared to pay a load of cash to fly thousands of miles to go to a game, fair play. It’s no different to the likes of me and you going to watch Madrid or Barca. The problem I have is that it’s blatantly obvious that for the biggest home game of the season the club have sold a shitload of extra tickets to Thomas Cook or whoever. There’s never normally this many tourists, I mean why would there be? There’s not the same kind of demand for a home game with Hull or Burnley for example. So on those days, the club go to their fallback option to fill the ground: the loyal fan. When the big games come around? "Sorry suckers, you can watch on TV".

 

So all of you regular match goers without season tickets who tried and failed to purchase tickets for this one in the online sales via the club website, now you know why you couldn’t get tickets. It’s disgraceful how little regard the club has for it’s loyal fans, and it’s killing the atmosphere inside the ground too. It’s been on the decline for years but it really is at an all time low right now.

 

You know what the worst thing about it is? They dine out on all that “Anfield atmosphere” bullshit too, even though they’re killing it year by year by pricing out many of the regulars and making it even more difficult for people to get tickets. And how cringeworthy was all that bollocks with Pele on the pitch at half time?

 

“What do you make of the famous Anfield atmosphere?” he was asked, as thousands of United fans laughed their cocks off. I don’t blame them, it was utterly embarrassing. The whole thing was in fact, none of us could understand a word Pele was saying and I doubt anyone even cared, I know I didn’t. I was just saddened by the whole thing..

 

Nothing highlights how repulsive modern football has become when you see Pele, FUCKING PELE!!, having to whore himself around advertising butties to make himself a few quid when you have the likes of Sterling and others looking down their noses at £5m per year contracts.

 

Modern football ladies and gentlemen.

 

 

Team: Mignolet; Can, Skrtel, Sakho; Sterling, Henderson, Allen, Moreno (Balotelli); Lallana (Gerrard), Coutinho; Sturridge:


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Everything about our club is about money these days and it’s leaving me cold.

 

It wasn’t just events on the pitch that made this such a shitty day either. The first sight I was greeted with as I got out of the car in front of the Kop was some tool getting his picture taken in front of the Shankly statue with a half and half scarf proudly raised above his head. He’s wearing a Liverpool shirt and he’s raising a scarf that’s got the United logo on it, and he's doing it in front of Shanks!! He wasn’t alone either, there were fucking hundreds of them knocking about, easily the most I’ve ever seen.

 

One of the lads I speak to before the game told me he was chatting to a scarf seller outside the Kop and he’d sold out of half and halfs. It’s Manchester United for fucks sake, just what the hell are these people thinking? Do United have the same issue when we play at Old Trafford? I assume they do, it can't just be us.

 

Even worse than the whole scarf thing, within a couple of minutes of me starting to sell the fanzine some fella decked out in LFC swag from the club shop comes up and asks me where “the memorial for the 69” was. No really, he actually said that. It could have been a language issue, but he sounded Scandinavian and most of those lads speak better English than I do. Utterly depressing.

 

It was tourist central though, they were everywhere. Now here’s the thing, I’ve got no problem with anyone who wants to watch the Reds and if someone is prepared to pay a load of cash to fly thousands of miles to go to a game, fair play. It’s no different to the likes of me and you going to watch Madrid or Barca. The problem I have is that it’s blatantly obvious that for the biggest home game of the season the club have sold a shitload of extra tickets to Thomas Cook or whoever. There’s never normally this many tourists, I mean why would there be? There’s not the same kind of demand for a home game with Hull or Burnley for example. So on those days, the club go to their fallback option to fill the ground: the loyal fan. When the big games come around? "Sorry suckers, you can watch on TV".

 

So all of you regular match goers without season tickets who tried and failed to purchase tickets for this one in the online sales via the club website, now you know why you couldn’t get tickets. It’s disgraceful how little regard the club has for it’s loyal fans, and it’s killing the atmosphere inside the ground too. It’s been on the decline for years but it really is at an all time low right now.

 

You know what the worst thing about it is? They dine out on all that “Anfield atmosphere” bullshit too, even though they’re killing it year by year by pricing out many of the regulars and making it even more difficult for people to get tickets. And how cringeworthy was all that bollocks with Pele on the pitch at half time?

 

“What do you make of the famous Anfield atmosphere?” he was asked, as thousands of United fans laughed their cocks off. I don’t blame them, it was utterly embarrassing. The whole thing was in fact, none of us could understand a word Pele was saying and I doubt anyone even cared, I know I didn’t. I was just saddened by the whole thing..

 

Nothing highlights how repulsive modern football has become when you see Pele, FUCKING PELE!!, having to whore himself around advertising butties to make himself a few quid when you have the likes of Sterling and others looking down their noses at £5m per year contracts.

 

Modern football ladies and gentlemen.

 

 

 

Accurate, and totally depressing.

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I've decided I'm not going to any more games. I've already sacked Sky off. I'm gradually leaving it all behind. 

 

I'll still come on here like. Just for the craic!

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I've decided I'm not going to any more games. I've already sacked Sky off. I'm gradually leaving it all behind.

 

I'll still come on here like. Just for the craic!

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I've decided I'm not going to any more games. I've already sacked Sky off. I'm gradually leaving it all behind.

 

I'll still come on here like. Just for the craic!

Just get a dodgy box lad fuck paying Sky it's dirt cheap as well
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I've probably been to my last game already.

 

This makes me sad.

 

I genuinely despise what football has become.

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As I've mentioned before and I am sure to mention again in the future.

 

Unless the club stops treating fans like cunts who exist only to bleed dry for as much cash as possible I won't spend a penny.

 

Customer services as they laughingly called it made it pretty clear to me, they more or less said "if you don't like it fuck off" so off I fucked.

 

Can't see my ever setting foot in Anfield again, at the moment a mixture of cost and the way they treat fans but before long it will be way beyond my means to afford it even if I wanted to. 

 

 

Free report?  Of all days to renew the Stu Monty. 

 

 

Give him his member money back you cunt. 

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I suspect watching the spineless shit from the XI in red in the first half, especially the meek waste of oxygen Joe Allen, would have riled Gerrard up far more than any chants he's heard 100's of times before,

 

This is the Liverpool he's leaving behind him and it's a million miles away from Mascherano, Alonso and Gerrard dominating the best in Europe.  Infact this side has a manager that throws games when we play against Europes best.

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Hard to argue with the bit about money and modern day football.

 

I find that getting absolutely bladdered helps to mask it all though.

 

Just a suggestion.

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Unless the club stops treating fans like cunts who exist only to bleed dry for as much cash as possible I won't spend a penny.

 

 

 

"We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody. That's the biggest difference between us and England."

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A new high that, Dave.

Brilliant read.

For mostly the wrong reasons, like, but you've nailed it.

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In terms of the tactics - van gall played a compact 'box within our box' - box of midfield four that is, leaving the man in possession isolated with 2-3 manc players around him at anyone time he received the ball. Think a few of our players bottled it to be honest the mancs were well drilled and clinical they looked mentally prepared whilst we certainty did not.   In hindsight Gerrard should have started this game.

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Match Report is brilliant, yet depressing at the same time!

 

This season I have been to 5 Liverpool games and 5 games to see my hometown team, Burton Albion. 

 

Before this season I'd only been to 4 Burton games in my lifetime, but I went to the Tranmere vs Burton Albion match on Saturday in the away end and it's the most I have enjoyed a match in many years. £15 quid a ticket, all proper fans (I actually felt a bit embarrassed and like a bit of a day tripper!) and even though the ground was less than a third full, a decent atmosphere and a really enjoyable day. Not a half and half scarf in sight!

 

You are spot on about the decline in the Anfield atmosphere. I honestly think that in 5, maybe 10 years, Anfield will be in a similar way to the Etihad stadium now. Lots of empty seats for some games and virtually no atmosphere whatsoever. 

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Still trying to get my head around the idea of a half/half Liverpool and United scarf to be honest.

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Yeah, I think the second half of last season, culminating in the City game, might have been the last hurrah for anything resembling what it used to be like supporting Liverpool.

 

I've dreamt of getting back to Anfield for over 20 years now. But half-United scarves, 69 memorials and Pele talking Greek?

 

Might just stick with my memories I think.

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It was tourist central though, they were everywhere. Now here’s the thing, I’ve got no problem with anyone who wants to watch the Reds and if someone is prepared to pay a load of cash to fly thousands of miles to go to a game, fair play. It’s no different to the likes of me and you going to watch Madrid or Barca. The problem I have is that it’s blatantly obvious that for the biggest home game of the season the club have sold a shitload of extra tickets to Thomas Cook or whoever. There’s never normally this many tourists, I mean why would there be? There’s not the same kind of demand for a home game with Hull or Burnley for example. So on those days, the club go to their fallback option to fill the ground: the loyal fan. When the big games come around? "Sorry suckers, you can watch on TV".

 

So all of you regular match goers without season tickets who tried and failed to purchase tickets for this one in the online sales via the club website, now you know why you couldn’t get tickets. It’s disgraceful how little regard the club has for it’s loyal fans, and it’s killing the atmosphere inside the ground too. It’s been on the decline for years but it really is at an all time low right now.

 

You know what the worst thing about it is? They dine out on all that “Anfield atmosphere” bullshit too, even though they’re killing it year by year by pricing out many of the regulars and making it even more difficult for people to get tickets. 

 

 

 

Great report, Dave!

 

Just felt the need to comment on this section of it, and I'm going to stray a little from popular opinion here...

 

This game is obviously the biggest of the calendar for all Liverpool supporters not living in Liverpool (even if I think many there also regard this as bigger than the derby), hence multiplying the need for tickets 5-fold that of "normal" games. Fact is, much of our global fanbase want to go to a "special" game when they make their maiden journey to Anfield, and if you go once or twice a year, you'll probably think the same way. I'll grudgingly admit I'm not much different (even if I can boast having been to a LFC-Charlton league cup fixture in the late 90s - 4-1 we won including a Jamie Redknapp goal if I remember correctly). Once you spend 500-1000 pounds to see a game, you'll easily put another 100 towards the ticket to exchange Burnley with Chelsea, City or Arsenal (there's more at stake, and the famous atmosphere is probably going to be more present at such games). I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is, and as you say, it's only going to get worse as we whore ourselves out to new markets where money is less of an object than in the working class surroundings of our club. I think we agree so far.

 

What I think is missing from your portrayal, is that it isn't just the Thomas Cook's of this world that convey these tickets to those entertainment-hungry followers from Asia and Scandinavia. There'll always be "businessmen" aka touts connected to operations as big as ours. I made frequent aquaintance with a few of them through the 90s and early 00s - so I should know. The online sales and loyalty programmes have only made this more accessible. A guy I know at work works together with 3 mates (these are 40-something-guys) to buy as many tickets as possible for our games the last couple of seasons. They sell the tickets they don't plan to use (for close to face value price) and go to the "big" games themselves, nearly free of charge. Lots and lots of this is happening atm. If you go into finn.no you will find anywhere between 20-30 sources doing the same (and that's just for our games). I imagine said procedure is taking place in other countries as well.

 

The least popular part though, is that there are plenty of supporters with adresses a lot closer to Anfield that are taking part in this market too. No way are all of the "tourists" getting all those tickets from the methods I've described so far. Season ticket holders that have either grown too old to bother with the games, grown too disillusioned by the greed and stupidity of it or maybe just gotten in a situation where they need to cash in on an opportunity are also making the place a lot less familiar. I can fully understand all of the reasons for it. Say for example you make 15-20 000 a year, and someone offers you 500 net for your ticket to a football game - that's a deal worth taking - especially as you grow further apart from the club every day.

 

I don't know if this goes through the companies, if there's a similar site (craigslist?) where deals are being made, but if this wasn't happening, the amount of tourists would be the same on matches against Burnley as they would be against the Mancs and Everton.

 

As an aside, I went in October to see WBA with my wife and two kids. We won two tickets in a competition, and purchased two more to be able to go all of us (I was originally planning on taking my eldest - but she thought that would be too cruel to the youngest). Once we got there, I was appalled to find several (20-30) people from our home town in the city centre and at the ground, and I live in a city in Norway having under 10 000 inhabitants (I'd say half of the population are either Liverpool or Utd supporters though...). It's even a real bitch travelling anywhere from here; 4 hours with car and ferry before you even get to the airport - then it's either Manchester or London for extortionate prices... Depressing. 

 

I'm probably not making much sense now, just thought I'd try to add a bit of perspective to the "we can't get a ticket for this one" - a lot of that is of course true, but there's also a bit of choosing not to go because the money offered is too good to turn down (whether a necessity or not). Apologies in advance for those offended by those "accusations".

 

 

Edit: Just to prove my point, there weren't any available tickets weeks in advance for the last few games last year, but once we were in with a shot of a title, tickets popped up everywhere. Earlier in the season, the travel companies advertised City and Chelsea tickets for 3-400 pounds. A week or so before the games, the same companies had mysteriously gained several more tickets, but were now selling them for 1000-1200 a piece. This wasn't just Thomas Cook either, lots of dodgy ticket companies suddenly getting access to more tickets than normal. How do you explain that other than supporters selling on their tickets/loaning out their fancards?

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everything boils down to players wages... every fucking problem. Players wages demanded by fucking greedy bastard agents. They should be castrated and their balls stitched into their mouths.

 

I knew when we went into this as favorites that we would get dicked. i just knew it... i couldnt watch this one as it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach them getting one over on us.

 

My old man was a die hard but he couldn't even bring himself to watch the united games at anfield back in the day as he hated those bastards so much.

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I hope Pele never comes back to Anfield, the fucking whopper.

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The point has been made before in a post about this game, but I will reiterate it. I do not see why the club needs to admit away supporters if they are going to behave in the vile, offensive and vicious way that United fans do every single game now. They are the reason why I don't go to this fixture anymore.

 

Doubtless there is some FA or PL regulation that requires away fans to be catered for and there will be a sanction if they are excluded. Fuck 'em. The club can use the revenue from the latest official toiletpaper endorsement from Turkmenistan to fund the fine. Just how disgusting does the conduct have to be before something is done? I simply cannot think of any other context in which this behaviour is allowed to happen unchecked.

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The point has been made before in a post about this game, but I will reiterate it. I do not see why the club needs to admit away supporters if they are going to behave in the vile, offensive and vicious way that United fans do every single game now. They are the reason why I don't go to this fixture anymore.

 

Doubtless there is some FA or PL regulation that requires away fans to be catered for and there will be a sanction if they are excluded. Fuck 'em. The club can use the revenue from the latest official toiletpaper endorsement from Turkmenistan to fund the fine. Just how disgusting does the conduct have to be before something is done? I simply cannot think of any other context in which this behaviour is allowed to happen unchecked.

 

The vile chants were loud and clear on the stream I watched.

 

The main problem is nothing is actually done about it. Imagine if Gerrard had come out in his apology and partially blamed the United fans? This would have made the red card seem a bit more reasonable.

 

Until it gets highlighted and the United fans are actually shown up for what they are they will keep getting away with it. 

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everything boils down to players wages... every fucking problem. Players wages demanded by fucking greedy bastard agents. They should be castrated and their balls stitched into their mouths.

 

 

 

Players wages are dictated by the amount of money coming in to the game. Nobody has ever forced the clubs to pay these players millions a year, but you either pay it or another club will. 

 

Agents are one of a number of problems within the game though as they obviously don't really care about anything other than getting the best deal for their player/themselves. I don't even know what clubs could do to try and stop them having such an influence?     

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The problem with jibbing going the match and leaving it for the half scarf wearing, selfie stick carrying whoppers is that they then just complete their takeover of the ground.

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