Paedophiles

[Section_31]

Originally Posted by Scouse Missionary I'd agree that they're not some cartoonish devil, but the majority that I've met are not seemingly normal. The odd one or two are, but most come over as dysfunctional and unable to form proper adult relationships, and are almost universally a bit odd. There is almost always something a bit creepy in their manner. I've always got the impression that the reason they target children is because they don't feel as inadequate compared to a child as they do to an adult, and that children are more accepting of their oddities.

I always imagine Nonces to be Roy Cropper clones gone awry.

[Ted]

You're a shrub rocketeer.

[windass]

Originally Posted by Red22 Not something I'll ever understand to be honest (bit like gays - just don't "get" it - not that I've anything against them). Why do adults want to abuse kids? This a map showing how child porn has been downloaded 14 million times over the past 3 years: Scary for any of you parents living between London & Birmingham. And yet this is only the UK - imagine what it must be like in places like Cambodia and Mexico. Is it a genetic disorder or are they products of their environment (e.g. abused as children)?

dont sit on his lap

[Chuck Fadanoid]

Ted is the crazy world of Arthur Brown.

[Ted]

Chuck is a pipe to pipe bushman.

And a slot badger.

[Chuck Fadanoid]

True, but atleast I'm not an unabummer.

Or a small bean regrader for that matter.

[m.c]

Originally Posted by Dirk It is probable that there are many variables that lead to the development of paedophilic behaviour. However, Dog's point is probably one of the greater determinant factors. For some, it's difficult to comprehend that these monsters were, in turn, abused as children. I suppose by denying this route, it allows people to cope psychology. By seeing it in terms of black and white terms, good, evil it makes people feel safe in themselves. It makes it easier to see them as creators of their own evil. To eradicate this problem and other societal ills, we need to protect children from the adults that abuse them in the first place, to prevent them from becoming monsters. Most often, they are abused by a close family member so it's important to identify at risk individuals and then remove them from that environment. In all likelihood, the reality is that we do not have the resources to implement such system. The social services system is at breaking point as it is. Otfentimes, the greatest cause of societal ill, is inadequate, degenerate and even barbaric parenting. Until we overcome this, as a society, we will see these problems over and over.

The first point your right there are many different variables which if we can need to be separated. Here's two as I see it.

There are people who suffer from mental issues who genuinely have trouble controlling their actions, and have very little or no aspect of right or wrong. These are the people for whom there is very little or no treatment and need to be protected, as well as the people they pose a risk to.

There are others for who it is nothing more than a sexual fetish. Children, that's what turns them on.
They know its wrong yet they choose to do it anyway.
The point I was trying to make in my previous post was, as soon as their caught they have the all to convenient defence that they were abused as a child themselves. In the case of Chris Langham this defence was easily accepted by some and he is portrayed as a victim. I'm not denying there are people who were abused and went on in life to become abusers but for me its a lame excuse.

Mellons could you find some stats on my next point and post them please.

I'm just guessing here but I assume the percentage of abused children is 50/50 male/female. Why then is the ratio of abusers not the same. Again I'm guessing but it seems the vast majority of abusers are male. That why I find the abused go on to become abusers argument hard to take on board.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Dirk It is probable that there are many variables that lead to the development of paedophilic behaviour. However, Dog's point is probably one of the greater determinant factors. For some, it's difficult to comprehend that these monsters were, in turn, abused as children. I suppose by denying this route, it allows people to cope psychology. By seeing it in terms of black and white terms, good, evil it makes people feel safe in themselves. It makes it easier to see them as creators of their own evil. To eradicate this problem and other societal ills, we need to protect children from the adults that abuse them in the first place, to prevent them from becoming monsters. Most often, they are abused by a close family member so it's important to identify at risk individuals and then remove them from that environment. In all likelihood, the reality is that we do not have the resources to implement such system. The social services system is at breaking point as it is. Otfentimes, the greatest cause of societal ill, is inadequate, degenerate and even barbaric parenting. Until we overcome this, as a society, we will see these problems over and over.

That is the thing that actually helps me to cope with the whole thing: the belief that they are damaged in some way (although I don't think that that is universally applicable).

Melons, you seemed to infer from SD's point that he was saying all victims of abuse go on to abuse; he actually said nothing of the sort. He just pointed out that many abusers have suffered abuse themselves.

[Ted]

Originally Posted by Chuck Fadanoid True, but atleast I'm not an unabummer. Or a small bean regrader for that matter.

Just another form of racism.

[Chuck Fadanoid]

Originally Posted by Ted Just another form of racism.

Someone rep this bunty man for me, I've got to spread the love around.

[Mendoza]

Youre the crazy world of Arthur Brown.

[melons]

Originally Posted by m.c Mellons could you find some stats on my next point and post them please. I'm just guessing here but I assume the percentage of abused children is 50/50 male/female. Why then is the ratio of abusers not the same. Again I'm guessing but it seems the vast majority of abusers are male. That why I find the abused go on to become abusers argument hard to take on board.

as far as abused children are noted, it tends to slightly be more female then male children are abused, but not by much, yet according to this..http://www.kidscape.org.uk/assets/do...ofchildren.pdf 95% of all abusers are male...

Originally Posted by Paul Melons, you seemed to infer from SD's point that he was saying all victims of abuse go on to abuse; he actually said nothing of the sort. He just pointed out that many abusers have suffered abuse themselves.

I know and apologies for the way it appeared...out loud it would of sounded an exasperated 'fuck off' it in text appeared more harsh then it was meant... Im sure if i'd quoted reds original post it wouldn't of come across as strong.

[Dirk]

Just to clarify my position.

The human brainstem is almost fully functional at birth whereas the limbic forebrain is more plastic, "experience-expectant," and slower to mature and develop. 1-13 Whereas the brainstem mediates reflexive motor and vital functions, 9 the limbic forebrain (e.g. the hypothalamus, amygdala, septal nucleus, cingulate, and hippocampus) monitors and attempts to satisfy hunger and thirst and is responsible for the experience and expression of emotions including pleasure, rage, fear and joy and the desire for social-emotional contact. 6-8

Unlike the brainstem which is more "hard wired" and initially under direct genetic and reflexive sensory control, 9 limbic system nuclei, such as the amygdala, septal nuclei and hippocampus, as well as the later to mature neocortex, require considerable social, emotional, perceptual, and cognitive stimulation during the first several months and years of life in order to develop normally. If sufficient stimulation is not provided, or if exposed to an abnormal or neglectful environment, developing neurons and dendrites will establish or maintain aberrant, abnormal interconnections, or whither, die, and drop out at an accelerated rate. 6-8,10-25

Initially billions of neurons, dendrites and synaptic interconnections are produced in random excess. 4-6 Over the first several years and decade of life, these excess neurons are pruned and sheared away by the hundreds of millions. Although additional neurons continue to be generated even in the adult brain, it is through dendritic attrition that specific neural networks are sculpted and formed. The sculpting of specific neural pathways fine tunes perception, selective attention, and promotes learning, memory, and cognitive and personality development.

However, if reared in an abnormal, deprived and socially isolated environment, limbic system nuclei will atrophy, random interconnections will be maintained, or neural pathways will develop abnormally. 6-8,10-19,36 Neurons, dendrites and interconnections that would normally survive are significantly reduced throughout the brain. There is an accelerated loss of presynaptic vesicles, glia, interneurons, neurons, axons, synapses, and cortical thickness, and the septal nuclei, amygdala and hippocampus may develop seizure-like activity. 6-8,10-25 An abnormal or impoverished rearing environment can decrease a thousand fold the number of synapses per axon, and retard the growth and eliminate billions if not trillions of synapses per brain 20 and result in the preservation of abnormal interconnections which are normally discarded over the course of development.

Because the brain's developmental journey does not cease at birth 1-7 early environmental influences can determine the establishment of specific neural networks, or can lead to the creation and maintenance of aberrant or random neural pathways thus interfering with the forebrain's ability to discretely, purposefully, and selectively maintain control over behavior. 6-8,21-29 Hence, in summary, early social, emotional and environmental influences exert significant organizing effects not only on the brain but shape and mold all aspects of intellectual, perceptual, and social and emotional development.

Brain-Mind.com - environment, Neuroplasticty, neuroscience, child, development, memory, emotion, paranormal, health

[Omarinho]

Agree, never quite understood it along with homosexuality.

[Da Pmantis]

Originally Posted by Ted You're a shrub rocketeer.

You're the Crazy World of Arthur Brown