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Now Global Warming has stopped

http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004 Not from The Mail

Global warming stopped? Surely not. What heresy is this? Haven’t we been told that the science of global warming is settled beyond doubt and that all that’s left to the so-called sceptics is the odd errant glacier that refuses to melt?

Aren’t we told that if we don’t act now rising temperatures will render most of the surface of the Earth uninhabitable within our lifetimes? But as we digest these apocalyptic comments, read the recent IPCC’s Synthesis report that says climate change could become irreversible. Witness the drama at Bali as news emerges that something is not quite right in the global warming camp.

With only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 – there has been no warming over the 12 months.

But is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? No.

The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. Global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. Temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming – the greenhouse effect. Something else is happening and it is vital that we find out what or else we may spend hundreds of billions of pounds needlessly.

In principle the greenhouse effect is simple. Gases like carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere absorb outgoing infrared radiation from the earth’s surface causing some heat to be retained.

Consequently an increase in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities such as burning fossil fuels leads to an enhanced greenhouse effect. Thus the world warms, the climate changes and we are in trouble.

The evidence for this hypothesis is the well established physics of the greenhouse effect itself and the correlation of increasing global carbon dioxide concentration with rising global temperature. Carbon dioxide is clearly increasing in the Earth’s atmosphere. It’s a straight line upward. It is currently about 390 parts per million. Pre-industrial levels were about 285 ppm. Since 1960 when accurate annual measurements became more reliable it has increased steadily from about 315 ppm. If the greenhouse effect is working as we think then the Earth’s temperature will rise as the carbon dioxide levels increase.

But here it starts getting messy and, perhaps, a little inconvenient for some. Looking at the global temperatures as used by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the UK’s Met Office and the IPCC (and indeed Al Gore) it’s apparent that there has been a sharp rise since about 1980.

The period 1980-98 was one of rapid warming – a temperature increase of about 0.5 degrees C (CO2 rose from 340ppm to 370ppm). But since then the global temperature has been flat (whilst the CO2 has relentlessly risen from 370ppm to 380ppm). This means that the global temperature today is about 0.3 deg less than it would have been had the rapid increase continued.

For the past decade the world has not warmed. Global warming has stopped. It’s not a viewpoint or a sceptic’s inaccuracy. It’s an observational fact. Clearly the world of the past 30 years is warmer than the previous decades and there is abundant evidence (in the northern hemisphere at least) that the world is responding to those elevated temperatures. But the evidence shows that global warming as such has ceased.

The explanation for the standstill has been attributed to aerosols in the atmosphere produced as a by-product of greenhouse gas emission and volcanic activity. They would have the effect of reflecting some of the incidental sunlight into space thereby reducing the greenhouse effect. Such an explanation was proposed to account for the global cooling observed between 1940 and 1978.

But things cannot be that simple. The fact that the global temperature has remained unchanged for a decade requires that the quantity of reflecting aerosols dumped put in our atmosphere must be increasing year on year at precisely the exact rate needed to offset the accumulating carbon dioxide that wants to drive the temperature higher. This precise balance seems highly unlikely. Other explanations have been proposed such as the ocean cooling effect of the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation or the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation.

But they are also difficult to adjust so that they exactly compensate for the increasing upward temperature drag of rising CO2. So we are led to the conclusion that either the hypothesis of carbon dioxide induced global warming holds but its effects are being modified in what seems to be an improbable though not impossible way, or, and this really is heresy according to some, the working hypothesis does not stand the test of data.

It was a pity that the delegates at Bali didn’t discuss this or that the recent IPCC Synthesis report did not look in more detail at this recent warming standstill. Had it not occurred, or if the flatlining of temperature had occurred just five years earlier we would have no talk of global warming and perhaps, as happened in the 1970’s, we would fear a new Ice Age! Scientists and politicians talk of future projected temperature increases. But if the world has stopped warming what use these projections then?

Some media commentators say that the science of global warming is now beyond doubt and those who advocate alternative approaches or indeed modifications to the carbon dioxide greenhouse warming effect had lost the scientific argument. Not so.

Certainly the working hypothesis of CO2 induced global warming is a good one that stands on good physical principles but let us not pretend our understanding extends too far or that the working hypothesis is a sufficient explanation for what is going on.

I have heard it said, by scientists, journalists and politicians, that the time for argument is over and that further scientific debate only causes delay in action. But the wish to know exactly what is going on is independent of politics and scientists must never bend their desire for knowledge to any political cause, however noble.

The science is fascinating, the ramifications profound, but we are fools if we think we have a sufficient understanding of such a complicated system as the Earth’s atmosphere’s interaction with sunlight to decide. We know far less than many think we do or would like you to think we do. We must explain why global warming has stopped.

David Whitehosue was BBC Science Correspondent 1988–1998, Science Editor BBC News Online 1998–2006 and the 2004 European Internet Journalist of the Year. He has a doctorate in astrophysics and is the author of The Sun: A Biography (John Wiley, 2005).] His website is www.davidwhitehouse.com
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Re: Now Global Warming has stopped

Y2K all over again.

Bird flu.

Nostardamus.

The Nazi Party (well, Winston got that one right).

Armageddon.


If humans don't have some doomsday scenrio that we are all going to die the masses go crazy. It's like that nursery tale aboot the sky is falling the sky is falling--the turkey and the hen or some shite.

Your press is hysterical- I read a piece in the Independant I think- about some nut who thought he was being carbon negative by having a wood buring stove and he burnt waste wood- the thick fucking cunt- wood had a - carbon impact- what a load of fucking shite. And burning waste wood- you tit its full of chemicals that treat it.

And then some other sanctimoniuos twat who wasn't going to fly. Whatever. He was going to take the train. Except the train cost more, like 3 times from the continent to UK.

The problem with the global warming lobby is that is primarily a anti-West, anti-capitalist lobby and they will twist all manners of data to suit their agenda.

Trust me, I live in the Arctic and it's fucking cold. Still fucking cold. And the Inuit elders tell me the polar bears are just fine.

50 000 years ago the Arctic used to be a coral sea, thus the name Coral Harbour of an Inuit settlement.
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Re: Now Global Warming has stopped

Call me a sheep but i'm willing to go with the crowd on this one. The crowd who say global warming is real, that we are the driving force and that something quite urgently needs to be done. That crowd being 99% of the scientific community - they know their onions!
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Foxs Dark Glacier Mints could be a massive marketing error then............
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Re: Now Global Warming has stopped

Originally Posted by Nunavut Patrick View Post
Y2K all over again.

Bird flu.

Nostardamus.

The Nazi Party (well, Winston got that one right).

Armageddon.


If humans don't have some doomsday scenrio that we are all going to die the masses go crazy. It's like that nursery tale aboot the sky is falling the sky is falling--the turkey and the hen or some shite.

Your press is hysterical- I read a piece in the Independant I think- about some nut who thought he was being carbon negative by having a wood buring stove and he burnt waste wood- the thick fucking cunt- wood had a - carbon impact- what a load of fucking shite. And burning waste wood- you tit its full of chemicals that treat it.

And then some other sanctimoniuos twat who wasn't going to fly. Whatever. He was going to take the train. Except the train cost more, like 3 times from the continent to UK.

The problem with the global warming lobby is that is primarily a anti-West, anti-capitalist lobby and they will twist all manners of data to suit their agenda.

Trust me, I live in the Arctic and it's fucking cold. Still fucking cold. And the Inuit elders tell me the polar bears are just fine.

50 000 years ago the Arctic used to be a coral sea, thus the name Coral Harbour of an Inuit settlement.
But what about the Northwest Passage? It's navigable now you know. Surely that proves something? Amazing foresite to name it Passage!
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Call me a sheep but i'm willing to go with the crowd on this one. The crowd who say global warming is real, that we are the driving force and that something quite urgently needs to be done. That crowd being 99% of the scientific community - they know their onions!
99% of the scientific community 600 years ago said Columbus would sail off the end of the world.

I don't think it is as bad as it is made out to be. The scientific community, of course, gets credit for identifying things like cfc's which are banned (Montreal Protocol).

The environmental lobby blames hurricanes on global warming. Hurricanes have been happening for ever. Galveston, TX suffered the worst hurricane and that was in 1901. The weather is always acting up.

Now, cutting down the rain forest is real. Spewing untreated toxins into waters is real. Fucking EU OVERFISHING CUNTS IS REAL. Factory farms and antibiotic abuse in said farms is real. These are issues that I can agree with and shuld be acted upon, but all these Heathrow loons laying down on the runway can fuck off. Automobiles are 100 times less polluting then they were years ago, busses, trains and planes are all environmentally better but these hippies don't recognize that. In fact, those Heathrow hippies will be just like the Woodstock hippies- driving SUVs living in the 'burbs in thirty years worrying about their savings etc..

Animals and humanity will always adapt anyway. Polar bears are a ealtively new species adapted during the recent glaciation. If the ice caps melt they won't die off, they'll just adapt to grizzly/brown bear and eat berries instead of seals- which will make those sappy fucks at PETA happy.

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But what about the Northwest Passage? It's navigable now you know. Surely that proves something? Amazing foresite to name it Passage!
It's always been navigable, just not viable for ocean freighters. Amundsen sailed it you know in the Gjoa 100+ years ago. Franklin would have made ir except when his fleet became locked in the fiercest winters ever seen since the Europeans came to loot and plunder the red man.

The ice cap is melting, but is it melting because of a natural sequence, accelerated by global warming or is it comletely global warming and would be expanding if not for our carbon addicition? Science cannot answer these questions.

It's just the ice cap is melting thje sky is falling kill the capitalists and go green, burn treated wood and pollute the skies of London with God knows what.

Fucking hell, I don't even do weinie roasts with treated wood in Nunavut anymore after I found out what goes in it.
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A mate of mine calculated a while back that if you're going to the store 5 km away, and you have the choice of taking your car, your bike or just walk, then the most environmental thing to do, CO2-wise, is to take the car. You produce more CO2 by walking or cycling than you do by driving your car. Who'd thought. You would never get that fact out of the environmentalists though, because it doesn't suit their agenda.
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A mate of mine calculated a while back that if you're going to the store 5 km away, and you have the choice of taking your car, your bike or just walk, then the most environmental thing to do, CO2-wise, is to take the car. You produce more CO2 by walking or cycling than you do by driving your car. Who'd thought. You would never get that fact out of the environmentalists though, because it doesn't suit their agenda.
Ha. I'm logging that one into the memory bank.
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Cool. I'm off to burn some coal.
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99% of the scientific community 600 years ago said Columbus would sail off the end of the world.
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No they didn't. I think you are confusing superstition held amongst some people at the time and what was known to pretty much anyone who was educated.

Aristotle knew the world was round because of the shadow earth cast on the moon during a lunar eclipse. Other ancient scientist such as Eratosthenes and Posidonius even attempted to give estimates for the circumference of the Earth.

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A mate of mine calculated a while back that if you're going to the store 5 km away, and you have the choice of taking your car, your bike or just walk, then the most environmental thing to do, CO2-wise, is to take the car. You produce more CO2 by walking or cycling than you do by driving your car. Who'd thought. You would never get that fact out of the environmentalists though, because it doesn't suit their agenda.
Yeah, but your mate probably miscalculated.
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A mate of mine calculated a while back that if you're going to the store 5 km away, and you have the choice of taking your car, your bike or just walk, then the most environmental thing to do, CO2-wise, is to take the car. You produce more CO2 by walking or cycling than you do by driving your car. Who'd thought. You would never get that fact out of the environmentalists though, because it doesn't suit their agenda.
Your mate miscalculated. Big time.

A Ford Focus 1.6 releases 164g of CO2 per km. And that is driving in a straight line with no stopping and starting.

You breathe 35 lites per minute while walking, it takes 10 minutes to walk a km and air weighs 1.2g per litre. So that is a total of 420g of air. 5% of the air you exhale is made up of CO2, giving a total of 21g. And you can cut that by almost a third as you breathe 10 litres a minute sitting on your arse.

So that's 164g against 15g. And don't think sticking 11 people in a Focus will even it out. That'ss just lead to an increase in weight and fuel used in driving.

Now you can tell your mate there's no excuse for being a bone idle cunt. I bet that doesn't suit his agenda.
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Your mate miscalculated. Big time.

A Ford Focus 1.6 releases 164g of CO2 per km. And that is driving in a straight line with no stopping and starting.

You breathe 35 lites per minute while walking, it takes 10 minutes to walk a km and air weighs 1.2g per litre. So that is a total of 420g of air. 5% of the air you exhale is made up of CO2, giving a total of 21g. And you can cut that by almost a third as you breathe 10 litres a minute sitting on your arse.

So that's 164g against 15g. And don't think sticking 11 people in a Focus will even it out. That'ss just lead to an increase in weight and fuel used in driving.

Now you can tell your mate there's no excuse for being a bone idle cunt. I bet that doesn't suit his agenda.
Haha, nice one Kelster. I'll ask him for his calculations, and I'll put them up here when I get it. He's no cunt either by the way, maybe it's just me who's not giving his calculation away in the right way.

As for the agenda, even if his calculation is wrong there are lots of facts that are held back because of them being light against some of mankind's poluting.
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