Two minute silence

[Michael Howard]

Originally Posted by Stu Monty The thing that gets on my tits is that it's all part of the propaganda. When we want to eradicate thousands of innocents it's collateral damage in a war but when the other side of the battle fight back it's terrorism; how is that right? It's all part of the process of making everyone scared so that they can cut down liberties and bring in laws and policies that they shouldn't be.

Why can you not respect the dead in London while also remembering all the other innocent victims in Iraq? Why do you have to cynically dismiss genuine grief and respect for others as mere propaganda?

Those that swallow the simplistic mantra of the war of on terror may be naive and blinkered but no less so than the sanctimonious moral minority of which you appear to be a member.

[Stu Monty]

Originally Posted by Hermes Too right. Where are your moderators, waiting for somebody to type a Crouch thread? Have some backbone and do the deed.

Feel free to answer my question.

[RedinSweden]

Originally Posted by sh#t waffle I was living in Sydney when the Bali bombings happened. I was disgusted with the way John Howard reacted. He published a leaflet on 'protecting the Aussie way of life' which was designed purely to scare people into thinking that further attacks were imminent. it created a climate of fear, as well as increased racism (which, though many people think Australia is a multicultural utopia, is actually rife anyway). I'm disgusted that Tony Blair has, to a lesser extent, done the same. A lot of the fear which has been whipped up since 9/11 has been cynically created to allow Western governments to invade countries and bring in draconian laws. What I can't believe is that you're getting so het up about a two minutes silence on the 1st anniversary of a tragedy that killed many innocent people. It's not on the scale of innocent Iraqi's having been killed, but that doesn't make it right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/5156968.stm

"Sir Ian wants the Muslim community's help to beat terrorism"

[bri]

Having been posted on the missing persons list of the Bali bomb and as seen as MISSING for over a week and what that did to my parents I can't understand why you would make that initial statement stu.

Yes by all means discuss the ramifications of what is happening here and in iraq but we shouldnt really be slagging the fact that alot of people today will be in mourning.

[Hermes]

Originally Posted by aws When are you going to condemn the people who actually plant the bombs and blow up innocent people in both countries?

He never has, he never will. He's a 5th columnist. If he hates living in a western capitalist society so much why doesn't he leave?

[Stu Monty]

Originally Posted by Michael Howard Why can you not respect the dead in London while also remembering all the other innocent victims in Iraq? Why do you have to cynically dismiss genuine grief and respect for others as mere propaganda? Those that swallow the simplistic mantra of the war of on terror may be naive and blinkered but no less so than the sanctimonious moral minority of which you appear to be a member.

Can I ask how you think I'm dismissing genuine grief?

Also I have stated that I am not in any way disrespecting the London dead.

[Kev Saunderson]

Originally Posted by Stu Monty Why should I be banned Kev? I'm looking at the bigger picture, I'm not saying they deserve to die or anything, just that the reaction is in my opinion unbalanced. I'll ask you the same question as I asked Hermes: will you be holding a two minute silence for the innocents that will die in Iraq today, and tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that?

Looking at the bigger picture you are right in the terms of innocents that die in Iraq but, and although this sounds absurd, to me it is a way of life in that country...When it happens in our country it is a devastating blow to the resources we have. I am not saying we are bigger and better than Iraq I am just saying it is more tragic when something like that happens here.

There is no end to this argument as one person will go left and another will go right but I find your original quotes a bit disturbing on a day like this.

Completely different circumstances I know, but how did you feel about the Sun quotes after Hillsborough?? 96 Innocent people losing their lives yet we are called murderers. As I said, it's not the same as a bombing but its in the same ball part.

[sh#t waffle]

Originally Posted by Stu Monty Of course it's not right, I'm not sat here fuming at the thought of people respecting people who have been murdered, far from it, but I did want to raise a devate about the fact that a national two minute rememberance seems a bit unbalnced considering the situation in the "War".

But as someone mentioned, it's ONE YEAR since the bombings. In sixty years time, the war will still be remembered. I have my doubts whether the bombings will still evoke such feelings.

[Fink]

Nice timing for anti-labour rant....

Perhaps we should spend a minute for all the innocent germans that were killed in WW2, or the innocent muslims that were last crushed in a macca stampede.

You cant grieve for everyone, but you can show some respect to your own.

Fair play if you feel more connected to an innocent family in a different country...and that, like it or not, we are or have been at war with.

I'm not too bothered about the 2 minutes silence, I dont agree with the war per se, but I wouldnt use the anniversary of their deaths to peddle my own political beliefs.

Shame on you.

[Stu Monty]

Originally Posted by aws But most if not all of the people who are going to be killed in Iraq today will be killed by the same gang of terrorists who were behind the tube bombings.Or do you think the CIA plant the bombs in Baghdad market to make the USA look good? When are you going to condemn the people who actually plant the bombs and blow up innocent people in both countries?

Here and now. I condemn it, I have never stated anything to the contrary.

[Stu Monty]

Whooooah there people. This is nothing to do with being opportunistic or anti-Labour. I'm actually pro-labour, I'm just against this war. The news is full of the story and I thought I would start a debate on it.

[Kev Saunderson]

Too many chiefs and not enough indians on this site..I'm outta here..and I'll deffo be sure not purchase another TLW Fanzine with anything by Stu in it. B*llocks to you lad, b*llocks to you.

[Stu Monty]

I've just re-read my first post and accept that it may sound dismissive or disrepectful towards the people who died. That was not the intention and I apologise.

Edit - For the record this was written prior to Kev's post.

[Remmie]

Originally Posted by Stu Monty Whooooah there people. This is nothing to do with being opportunistic or anti-Labour. I'm actually pro-labour, I'm just against this war. The news is full of the story and I thought I would start a debate on it.

Can you answer my question now please. What alternative did you expect? A British Day of mourning is more likely to be connected to a British issue. This isn't about saying British lives are better then Iraqi lives, it's about grieving for a sizeable murdering that happened to innocent people we are more likely to know. Make your point about the war, not totting up minutes silence for lives scores

[Fink]

Fair do's :)

[Stu Monty]

Originally Posted by Remmie Can you answer my question now please. What alternative did you expect? A British Day of mourning is more likely to be connected to a British issue. This isn't about saying British lives are better then Iraqi lives, it's about grieving for a sizeable murdering t