The RBS plan kicks off tomorrow night please Join. if you havent already.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by RoboRiise

I know what you mean, it is pretty chuckalicious but that's what I like about it to be honest. I think there's a proper homebrewed kind of punk spirit about the whole thing - a bunch of lads saying "You know what? I'm fucking sick of this."

The Fuckers are fully behind this and will don Fucker masks at all times in recognition of The Plan.

150? 1. 5. 0. Sort it out, Reds.

[Bogman]

Pants

[simonlfcgreen]

I think the 150 bit is a lie. Considering i spent all night trying to stop people from sending to reporters and i was told in the morning by a reporter he got about that. No doubt i will find out and tell people they should be ashamed.

[StevieH]

John Richardson from the Express emailed me last night saying he had received nearly 200, which is quite disappointing when you consider there are 1,082 members on Simon's Facebook Group.

[TesticleOReilly]

Seriously, tho', since your dad said he'd throw you out if you did anything like this, thank God you didn't use your name and were totally anonymous throughout the whole episode.




LIVERPOOL FC FANS IN PROTEST AGAINST THE ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND is on Facebook

Admins
Richard
Alan
Robert
Christian
Alan
Cain
John
Alex
Michael
Steve
Simon (creator)

[Fugitive]

Why will his Dad throw him out?

[Brodie]

Some people are all too eager to have a dig.

Simon has put the effort in and helped organise something, that most of us havent and should be applauded for that. If we end up going tits up at least he can say he didnt stand back and watch, or even worse snipe at those trying.

And as for the numbers, even if it was only 150, you're still missing the point. He helped make national press with those 150, hopefully helping educate a few more reds, even if it had been 1500 or 15000, I dont think RBS would have taken it any more seriously, but the press coverage makes it worthwhile regardless, as it brings bad publicity towards RBS and helps keep the issue in the public eye.

Simon, if you're interested in trying something else with this campaign, which would target the phone lines, PM me. I have an idea I posted here a few years ago, and PMd onto Fran on here a few months ago, without much response which would definitely effect RBS, and get another message at board level to them.

[simonlfcgreen]

Originally Posted by Brodie

Some people are all too eager to have a dig.

Simon has put the effort in and helped organise something, that most of us havent and should be applauded for that. If we end up going tits up at least he can say he didnt stand back and watch, or even worse snipe at those trying.

And as for the numbers, even if it was only 150, you're still missing the point. He helped make national press with those 150, hopefully helping educate a few more reds, even if it had been 1500 or 15000, I dont think RBS would have taken it any more seriously, but the press coverage makes it worthwhile regardless, as it brings bad publicity towards RBS and helps keep the issue in the public eye.

Simon, if you're interested in trying something else with this campaign, which would target the phone lines, PM me. I have an idea I posted here a few years ago, and PMd onto Fran on here a few months ago, without much response which would definitely effect RBS, and get another message at board level to them.

I'm writing to all the members now mate we will have our numbers.

[simonlfcgreen]

Ok guys, today The Telegraph reported about they received around 150 emails in total. This is very disappointing.
We are Liverpool Football Club, the greatest football team in Europe, with a history, tradition and fanbase that is envied over the globe.

Our fan base is one the greatest in the world. We have fans on every continent. We ask only that you spare five minutes for our beloved football team. If you have not yet sent the email, please do so. 150 emails made the national papers. Imagine what 1500 could do.

The green and gold campaign of Manchester United has taken off and it’s getting more attention that our plight.

This is our time to do something. Every email counts. So we ask again, if you have not yet sent a copy please do. Don’t let these cowboys destroy the institution that we all adore.

Thank you

[The Tott]

200 emails is a bit of disappointing start, but a start nonetheless. If 200 emails can make national papers what could 2000 do?

We need to persisting with it, and if you havent sent an email, please do.

[WaltonRed]

You need SOS to send it out to all their members.

[PaulMcC]

I'm not having a go at Simon over there only being 150 - 200 sent. More a go at all the people who said they would.

This is why Facebook is a load of shit, people join things just to look like they have friends and just for something to so.

[simonlfcgreen]

Now we will know how many was sent.

To: Stephen.Hester@rbs.co.uk; John.HOURICAN@rbs.com; Roger.Lowry@rbs.co.uk; rebecca.oliphant@rbs.com; Public.Affairs@rbs.co.uk

CC; simonkingfishergreen@yahoo.co.uk;

Subject: Dear Mr Hester,


Dear Mr Hester,


Having reviewed the company accounts in relation to Liverpool Football Club and Parent Company Kop Football Ltd, of which there is approximately £237M worth of debt; it is clear that the business model operated by the current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett is unsustainable.

Whilst I appreciate that any refinancing package deal is a confidential matter between the Royal Bank of Scotland and the current owners of Liverpool Football Club, it is also a very personal issue for many Liverpool supporters around the world. As a British Tax Payer and a Lifelong Liverpool fan, I can assure you that I am not happy that my hard earned money is being used to pay for the purchase of Liverpool Football Club for George Gillett and Tom Hicks.

There is an ever increasing sense of anger and resentment towards the the owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, which is likely to turn towards RBS if the refinancing deal is extended in the coming months.

It is my understanding that if the Refinancing deal is renegotiated beyond July 2010, then a campaign in protest against the Royal Bank of Scotland will take place which will include Billboards with anti-RBS messages encouraging Liverpool Fans to Boycott RBS in a similar manner to the Boycott of the Sun Newspaper (please see below).

Debt Lies Cowboys – Spirit Of Shankly – Liverpool Supporters' Union

Anfield Road » Don’t buy The Sun

If your objective is "the long-term success of Liverpool Football Club" then I urge you to formally refuse any longer term refinancing for Hicks and Gillett, thus leaving the current obligations needing to be immediately repaid.

We as supporters of Liverpool Football Club are effectively paying the loan repayments for Hicks and Gillett, and as taxpayers have a "controlling stake" in RBS. We should therefore have a say in where our money is being invested.

The ball is firmly in your court.



Kind Regards,



Liverpool Supporter

[Juan Galonso]

Simon I tried to send it but it came up with some type of block from the RBS POstmaster or something?

[Carradona]

I got this:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. public.affairs@rbs.co.uk


I assume it sent to everyone else.

[StevieH]

Liverpool fans target RBS in email campaign to starve owners | Football | guardian.co.uk

Liverpool supporters have begun a coordinated email campaign to the Royal Bank of Scotland warning of a product boycott if the taxpayer-owned bank provides a long-term extension to the club's £237m loans.

The bank confirmed there had been correspondence from fans but declined to expand on its nature. The business wire service Bloomberg reported that the bank's chief executive, Stephen Hester, has received hundreds of messages, each with a different individual's signature.

"It is my understanding that, if the refinancing deal is renegotiated beyond July 2010, then a campaign in protest against the Royal Bank of Scotland will take place which will include billboards with anti-RBS messages encouraging Liverpool fans to boycott RBS," the emails say. "As a British tax payer and a lifelong Liverpool fan, I can assure you that I am not happy that my hard-earned money is being used to pay for the purchase of Liverpool Football Club for George Gillett and Tom Hicks."

Although RBS did not express any opinion about the messages, the banking sector has always had concerns about the effect on retail operations of a fan backlash if institutions' corporate lending arms make life difficult for clubs. That did not appear to be the case, however, as fans were quiescent when Barclays made a stand over the stricken former Southampton owner, Southampton Leisure Holdings, closing off the club's overdraft and effectively pushing it into administration.

Paradoxically this time the pressure from Liverpool fans is for banks specifically to cause financial problems for the club. The campaign is an attempt to starve the club's American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, of credit and, if the bank refuses to roll over the club's borrowings, it could precipitate a financial crisis at Anfield.

Few lenders are willing to offer new facilities in the current climate and Hicks and Gillett have so far shown no great enthusiasm for injecting their own equity.

Hicks last year suffered the indignity of defaulting on the $525m (£345m) debt in his Hicks Sports Group holding company, leading to the sale of the Texas Rangers franchise and much of its surrounding real estate to an investment group including the club's president, the former pitcher Nolan Ryan, in January.

Despite that successful transaction – reportedly worth £310m – Hicks's personal wealth is estimated to have slipped in the past 12 months. Forbes calculated in its most recent rich list that Hicks had lost his billionaire status over the course of the year, now being worth $950m. Liverpool are currently exploring the market's appetite for a £100m third-party investment.

[Juan Galonso]

Originally Posted by Carradona

I got this:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. public.affairs@rbs.co.uk


I assume it sent to everyone else.

Yeah that is what I got Cain exact same thing.

[atk]

Mick has spoken to the certain people in the press, as I have myself today. There impressed with RBS being the target, but still a tad upset about recieving hundreds of e-mails themselves, Hope that's now been rectified.

[Dougie Do'ins]

Anyone else notice the advert on the FF page.

[atk]

Originally Posted by Dougie Do'ins

Anyone else notice the advert on the FF page.

What?

[PaulMcC]

What advert?

[Dougie Do'ins]

Originally Posted by atk

What?

Look at the ad on the left of the FF index page.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Originally Posted by Dougie Do'ins

Anyone else notice the advert on the FF page.

That'd be a no then !.

[JohnnyH]

Alright. I put together my own e-mail based on what you wrote and sent it.

Well done Simon on working so hard on this.

[RoboRiise]

Originally Posted by PeeG

We did the mass letter campaign to RBS and MPs asking them not to refinance last summer and got a reply from RBS on it. The tricky part with the wording in this e-mail is not actually doing it again as that can help reinforce the point of our letters last year, but the threat of the boycott is what the newspapers will run with. To give that threat you have to be able to back it up and have enough support throughout the fanbase to deliver it. For instance if RBS do refinance and the boycott cannot be put in place even at a small level then any subsequent or similar threat or protest then might be treated with contempt because they don't think the fans can follow it through.

Thanks for the reply mate. I don't have internet access at work (or the time to use it if it was available) but I thought it would be a bit rude not to acknowledge your response.

I agree with what you're saying, obviously there would be little point in threatening action if the threat was an empty one. Thing is, I'm sure many of the people that have sent the e-mails will also be aware of that - I certainly was and as others have said, although Simon may not come across as the most eloquent or professional member of our fanbase (something I'm sure he'd acknowledge himself) this isn't just a bunch of numptys trolling RBS regardless of how it may appear.

I for one wouldn't have sent the e-mail if I wasn't prepared to take the further action that was threatened and I know enough about some of the other people involved to know they'd do the same. A boycott always comes down to individuals making their own decisions, you just have to hope that enough people feel strongly enough about the issue to make it effective. There's no way to force compliance regardless of who's organising it.

Although this hasn't been organised on the same kind of formal lines as SOS's campaigns, it doesn't necessarily follow that it won't be effective, or will fall down at the first hurdle. It might do, there's a risk there for sure but sometimes you have to take risks. As for the potential effect on future protests if a boycott doesn't go well, all I can say is that although again I appreciate what you're saying, SOS doesn't have a monopoly on protest, not least because it's (correctly) been made perfectly clear that the organisation does not claim to speak for all Liverpool fans, just it's few thousand members.

No matter what people say they intend to do, there's always the danger that when the time comes to act they aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is (or indeed to remove their money from RBS) but that's just human nature and is as much a risk for action that you, by which I mean SOS, plan as for that planned by anyone else.

I've just read that back and it sounds like I'm having a pop at SOS and saying "keep your noses out". I'm not of course; firstly I'm a participant in this protest not an organiser of it, so it's not my place to be wading in like that and secondly, the point you made is very valid and is good advice. All I'm trying to say is that sometimes when a job needs doing, you have to trust that other people could do it and do it well. This could be one of those occasions and even if it isn't, we've tried.

Like I said in my earlier post, I see the various strands of protest as being complimentary. There are things that groups of fans can do themselves which couldn't be done by an organisation like SOS because of their specific remit or mandate and to me, the important thing is that we all try to support each other and pull together to achieve what is clearly a common goal.

Originally Posted by dirty_sanchez

Simon, overall I think you've done really good work here, but what you've also done is hammer me with loads of misspelt and badly written messages that I can barely understand. Take some time, think about what you're doing and if you don't have a spell checker then get someone else to check the message before you send it out. If you're going to try and organise something like this then it's important that you look professional.

I made this point the other day. I'm not going to repost it here but I threw a corrected version of the e-mail together which is on page 3. It's hardly my finest work but it does address the issues you raised. Perhaps if anyone is still intending sending an e-mail and can't be arsed writing their own, they might want to take a look at it (if Simon and the other organisers are OK with it).

I'm not trying to leap into the middle of this waving my cock around or anything, I've had fuck all to do with organising the thing - just trying to help.

Also, the rejected delivery message relates to one of the e-mail addresses used, the others have got through so it's nothing to worry about.