It'S funny because when we resigned Fowler, I was absolutely ecstatic, even though he was well more over the hill than Owen is now. If we sign Owen on pay as you play, I'll just think good deal, nothing to get excited about.
Interesting to see the number of votes very close right now (25 Yes, 24 No, and 21 not arsed) I think it showed how far we've come.
I voted no. Someone on here also spoke my mind. He usually needs 5-6 games to get back to his sharpness and I don't think he can have that luxury here next season. We need a decent cover for Torres and if we have Owen, that decent cover, whoever it may be, may not want to come because he would know he would have to compete with Owen.
And if Owen is fit, but doesn't get the game, I think we can expect some unsettled issues within the squad. At least the media will keep getting that into the press.
It's a tough one to decide. Obviously a fit Owen coming off the bench would be a hell of a lot better than Ngog or the ponytail but I was hoping we'd moved on from bringing back fading stars hoping they'd produce the goods again.
It would hardly thrill me, not because of any history with him, but be´cause I think he is fading fat. A move back to liverpool might reignite something in him, but I am sceptical. i wouldn't be against it, certainly not on those terms, but I would not be gutted if it didn't happen. Hence "not arsed"
Bit harsh isn' it, I know he has beefed up, but I wouldn't call him fat.
Slightly plump or big boned maybe.
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The only striker we have at the club who is better than Owen is Torres, so if we can bring him in on a free, then its a no brainer for me.
Like I mentioned in another thread, I can see him getting a about the same playing time as he got in Madrid where he made 18 starts and came on as a sub 16 times in the league and scored 13 goals.
That would be a more than good enough return and with the quality we have in the team he will get the chances he need to score these goals.
So I voted yes, even if I wanted him sold two years before we actually sold him last time around.
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Where the fuck has all of this bollocks come from anyway? RAWK?
Until someone who actually knows something chirps up, i'm out.
All I've ever heard from the most reliable people on here is that Michael Owen will never play for Liverpool whilst Rafa is in charge. Despite everyone at the club wanting him back.
Owen is like the ex you really loved that left you for what she thought was someone with better prospects and broke your heart, then she found out he couldn't get an erection, was a drinker and lost his job. Meanwhile you picked up a stunner and laughed.
She then left him and you patiently waited for her to come back to you, (you loved her after all) then she went out with some complete idiot and wasted years of her life while he cheated on her, beat her up and treated her like dirt.
Now some years on, you're doing pretty well and let's just say that time hasn't been good to her. But while you still hate her for dumping you, you still have feelings. You know she'd now come back to you in a heartbeat and would promise you sex every night and appreciate you this time.
But would it work, is she just using you to find someone else? (There is a world cup coming up after all)
I say fuck her... er I mean YES bring him back.
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Owen is like the ex you really loved that left you for what she thought was someone with better prospects and broke your heart, then she found out he couldn't get an erection, was a drinker and lost his job. Meanwhile you picked up a stunner and laughed.
She then left him and you patiently waited for her to come back to you, (you loved her after all) then she went out with some complete idiot and wasted years of her life while he cheated on her, beat her up and treated her like dirt.
Now some years on, you're doing pretty well and let's just say that time hasn't been good to her. But while you still hate her for dumping you, you still have feelings. You know she'd now come back to you in a heartbeat and would promise you sex every night and appreciate you this time.
But would it work, is she just using you to find someone else? (There is a world cup coming up after all)
Even as someone who likes Owen, I'd be completely underwhelmed.
hamstrung knows. I suppose it would be a bit less low key than Fowler coming back. Nah fuck it, nobody would want it. But I can imagine him coming back and scoring the winning peno in the champions league final next year.
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The only striker we have at the club who is better than Owen is Torres, so if we can bring him in on a free, then its a no brainer for me.
Like I mentioned in another thread, I can see him getting a about the same playing time as he got in Madrid where he made 18 starts and came on as a sub 16 times in the league and scored 13 goals.
That would be a more than good enough return and with the quality we have in the team he will get the chances he need to score these goals.
So I voted yes, even if I wanted him sold two years before we actually sold him last time around.
That was 4 or 5 years ago then and he has gone downhill since then. I don't think you could rely on him to be fit for those 34 matches. He played in 32 matches for Newcastle this season and that was pretty much whenever he was fit. the chances of all of those plus a couple more coinciding with when Rafa wanted to play him would be remote. that said, a pay as you play contract would carry virtually no risk.
I can see him going to City.
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Where the fuck has all of this bollocks come from anyway? RAWK?
Until someone who actually knows something chirps up, i'm out.
All I've ever heard from the most reliable people on here is that Michael Owen will never play for Liverpool whilst Rafa is in charge. Despite everyone at the club wanting him back.
a pay as you play contract would carry virtually no risk.
Does anybody think a player with his injury record and poor form is going to sign a pay-as-you-play contract with Liverpool, a team that played most of the season with one forward?
What would piss me off most would be the 27 versions of how much he gets paid.
He'd become a new stick to beat Rafa with too - not to mention Dirk and others.
If he turned out to be shit/perma-crocked after all, as many predict, Rafa would be a silly boy for signing him. And then we'd find his wages and signing on fee were massive.
If he turned out to be pretty good and hardly injured, Rafa would be a silly boy every time he left him on the bench or subbed him. We'd then be told his wages were high and Rafa was wasting money leaving him out. That would also be the stick to beat Kuyt with because he was keeping Owen out.
Even if he turned out to be really good, as good as he could/should have been by now, you can still imagine we'd hear how he was earning a pittance and how it was an insult to his abilities etc. And Kuyt would be called every time he got picked ahead of him.
Even worse would be him putting a blue shirt on and playing for his boyhood team. Not so much how he'd be, but how Luvvie Bill would be about it.
He needs to go and play in America or something instead.
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That was 4 or 5 years ago then and he has gone downhill since then. I don't think you could rely on him to be fit for those 34 matches. He played in 32 matches for Newcastle this season and that was pretty much whenever he was fit. the chances of all of those plus a couple more coinciding with when Rafa wanted to play him would be remote. that said, a pay as you play contract would carry virtually no risk.
I can see him going to City.
I posted this in another thread earlier this weekend.
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After the season when he was out for almost all the season due to the injury he picked up in Germany he has played the same amount of league games that he probably would get for us, so to use his injury record as an argument is a bit weak.
07/08: 29 PL matches
08/09: 28 PL matches
We would not need to rush him back like Newcastle have done when he`s been out injured, he would get the rest he need to stay fit etc since we have other options to turn to.
Lets look at players with more than 25 starts in the league for us in the same seasons.
Not really, but I keep hearing he is always injured while in reality he has played the same amount or more games the last two seasons than what I think he would get here seeing we usually rotate and Owen would get the rest needed when his muscle are starting to tire, thats when you usually pick up these kind of injuries anyway so I would not be surprised if he stayed injury free the whole of next season if he came here.
When people are out for a whole seasonbtheir injury record will get better 3 out of 4 times as they would have enough time to work properly on their weaknesses in the gym and when they do light training.
Another interesting aspect of it all is Owens record for Real Madrid.
He started only 18 games and was brought on as a sub 16 times and scored 13 goals, maybe not much different from the role he would get here oif we brought him back.
Instead of looking for negatives in such a deal I would focus on the possible positives and for me they far outwheigh the negative ones.
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Does anybody think a player with his injury record and poor form is going to sign a pay-as-you-play contract with Liverpool, a team that played most of the season with one forward?
No, i don't at all, but that was the hypothesis we were discussing. I think he will be able to get a 3 or 4 year contract at one of the more money than sense clubs, which is most of them in the Prem.
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If Torres was injured, Owen Couldn't replace him as a lone striker he's nowhere near good enough.
We have Got Torres, Kuyt,N'gog and Nemeth plus Voronin coming back.
I would rather we keep Voronin as our back up striker than bring back Owen. !!!
Owen is nowhere near good enough but Kuyt, N'gog, Nemeth and Voronin are? I don't think so. I like Dirk as much as anyone (except Thants) but he's no lone striker. N'gog and Nemeth are miles away from being ready for the first team and Voronin is just shit.
I'd rather have Owen any day. He can lead the line on his own and has the understanding with Gerrard, in the same way that Torres does.
I don't think this will happen though, as much as I think it would be a good deal for us.
