You might actually want to edit that, just in case
Seriously
To be honest, I'm inclined to leave it - it sums up exactly what he's doing. Also, I'd definitely be looking at my legal options if my views were misrepresented in that way and I'm sure he's got better things to do than peruse my ramblings on here - hate spech doesn't write itself.
If you really think it's a concern though, or may reflect badly on the site, I won't have any problem at all if a mod whacks it.
Moot point now anyway, I'm past the edit timeout. Like I said, no problem for me at all if it gets deleted out of the post though - I know where you're coming from.
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I have responded to Cohen from the mail I posted here earlier in the week. I will await further response before I regurgitate it here. Difficult to write a reasoned response to him, when he doesnt take heed of it, and that he has angered me further with his antics over the last three or four days. Just how do you educate the uneducated ? It sickens me that he has some clout over an almost captive audience who really dont know any better.
I have responded to Cohen from the mail I posted here earlier in the week. I will await further response before I regurgitate it here. Difficult to write a reasoned response to him, when he doesnt take heed of it, and that he has angered me further with his antics over the last three or four days. Just how do you educate the uneducated ? It sickens me that he has some clout over an almost captive audience who really dont know any better.
People educate the uneducated all the time, they have to want to be educated though. You're wasting your time trying to discuss what 1000's have already tried. Don't give him the time of day, the work being done around him rather than through him is really getting results.
In the end you'll only be pissing yourself off by trying to engage him.
below is an email reply I got from him it really does amaze me how thick he is:
I would be more than happy to have an open debate...but it seems that on your side of the debate you are really not interested in an open debate. You are interested in thumping your chest, jumping up and own and shouting the loudest and hope whoever you are talking to just gives up...well i will not.
This open debate you speak of is only to front from point of view which is, and let me know if i have got this wrong: 96 tragically perished on that day at a football match in Sheffield. These fans were crushed by other fans. The blame lies with the police, The FA and Council of Sheffield while the fans who were there in the thousands bear no responsibility or blame whatsoever not one miniscule degree of blame or responsibility. Almost like the people outside trying to get in were the choirboys we know all football fans to be certainly back in that time. Andrew, we do not agree.
What is your problem with me saying "Justice for the 135" instead of just "justice for the 96." Your argument is that the other 39 don't matter, only the 96. You call my reference to that 'foul e-mail" would it be if i simply said "Justice for the 96." You think your lives are more important than the 39 Juventus fans, it is very interesting and it is where your argument fails to find legs. And i think what the American audience is looking to know is what exactly does "Justice of the 96" mean? That is something i would be interested in having someone come on the radio show and discuss.
Yes i am taking this story to the mainstream media and the first quote we are going to use is "blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough is the same as blaming the people in the twin towers for 9/11." Now that should go down very well to the mainstream media and public in America.
Added to that the threats against my life and my family (the threats to kidnap my two step daughters ages 8 and 11 should play well to mainstream America) and i think the mainstream press might be interested in why...because of an opinion?
As for the Chelsea players and fans from last season and this season i have not been ambiguous in my distaste and disgust for the manner in which they have behaved. The players should be fined and suspended and the fans should be criminally prosecuted if the police can find them. I do not excuse their behaviour for the simple reason that i support the football team.
Look forward to hearing from you and seriously if you are interested in having an earnest, sincere debate with respect for both sides on air (especially as the seasons are coming to an end) we could do something in the summer as there is always more time then.
Distorting a quote that references 9/11 in order to get the US public on his side and oppose us while deliberately ignoring the whole context and reasoning of the quote. What a nice chap. He's making a threat about invoking a mentality that even US TV shows see fit to mock.
Distorting a quote that references 9/11 in order to get the US public on his side and oppose us while deliberately ignoring the whole context and reasoning of the quote. What a nice chap. He's making a threat about invoking a mentality that even US TV shows see fit to mock.
I think there is no point in engaging with him. I agree with your point about trying to get the US public on his side by playing the "free speech" card and now the 9/11 angle. I really hope the American public can see through this.
My view is to stop engaging with him and concentrate our efforts on his sponsors. That is what will hurt him (and it clearly is). By reasoning with him you are feeding his ego.
One thing about engaging with arrogant dopes is that sooner or later they tie themselves in knots and find themselves face to face with the arse they've been talking out of.
__________________ "I won't come on tv and speak or write about anything and say words only half the people listening understand. In our language there's a similarity, words that are spelt differently but mean the same thing. Words that mean the same thing and the big men use these words, knowing full well that maybe only 10% of the people listening will understand. Well we don't. We speak the language that everybody understands. Instead of me saying somebody was avaricious, I'd say he was bloody greedy."
would it be worth sending the sponsors copies of the emails he sent to show them what an inbred he is? When I replied to his message I asked him for clear proof to show me that the fans were responsible, guess what? No response yet!!! It's like arguing with a 5 year old, 'this is what I think and that's it it doesn't matter what you say or show me this is what I think I don't care!!!!'. Inbred Cunt. I did ask him who he was supporting these days now Chelsea were out the European cup, I don't think he's decided yet!
would it be worth sending the sponsors copies of the emails he sent to show them what an inbred he is? When I replied to his message I asked him for clear proof to show me that the fans were responsible, guess what? No response yet!!! It's like arguing with a 5 year old, 'this is what I think and that's it it doesn't matter what you say or show me this is what I think I don't care!!!!'. Inbred Cunt. I did ask him who he was supporting these days now Chelsea were out the European cup, I don't think he's decided yet!
That's a great idea. Forward on his responses to the sponsors. This is where we are going to hurt him (and clearly are).
On TTWAR one poster who was visiting New York claimed that Cohen's influence is not what he'd have you believe as he isn't mainstream. What his comments have done is make him more well-known amongst US football fans.
Didn't Dr Scraton attempt to engage him?
Once again he ignored the views of the man who is the expert on what happened that day. This speaks volumes.
I just find the whole "death threat" things ridiculous.
It makes me laugh when people in the public eye shit their pants when they receive "death threats". It's totally pathetic. Nobody who had any intention of killing you would notify you first by post or by email, or perhaps a helpful phonecall.
I'd be more afraid if I was total cunt but didn't get any death threats!
A genuine death threat is when somebody actually tries to kill you. Not when some pussy pings a nasty email from 4000 miles away.
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if he is receiving them why isn't he going to the police? I'm still flabbergasted by the comparison to 9/11, is he really putting us in the same bracket as terrorists?
I just find the whole "death threat" things ridiculous.
It makes me laugh when people in the public eye shit their pants when they receive "death threats". It's totally pathetic. Nobody who had any intention of killing you would notify you first by post or by email, or perhaps a helpful phonecall.
I'd be more afraid if I was total cunt but didn't get any death threats!
A genuine death threat is when somebody actually tries to kill you. Not when some pussy pings a nasty email from 4000 miles away.
Oh by the way, Tom, I'll be round to stick a hatchet in your head tomorrow morning. Just a heads up, mate.
if he is receiving them why isn't he going to the police? I'm still flabbergasted by the comparison to 9/11, is he really putting us in the same bracket as terrorists?
The comparison is that someone said that saying we were responsible for hillsborough is like saying that the people inside the WTC were responsible for the attacks.
I doubt he's had a single death threat. Maybe a "I hope I never see you at Anfield" warning here and there, but no way has he had a believable death threat.
And he has not got the FBI onto this. He makes that pretty obvious by his actions.
As for that Geber guy, the one who claimed to be a Red. Do you know any Red, excluding perhaps self-confessed "became a Red last week after living in a cave for twenty years" and maybe 3 year olds, who don't know the number of victims there were at Hillsborough?
This is from a 2006 incident (I've just taken the bits out of this that are relevant to my point) posted by someone called 4pool:
"...he [Geber] mentioned that 90+ Liverpool supporters died at Hillsborough and that was not caused by the supporters themselves that the supporters were just crushed as all the people coming to the match were sent down one tunnel...
...I took Nick to task for not knowing there were 96 supporters killed from the Hillsborough tragedy and not 90+. Anyone who supporters Liverpool knows the exact number."
__________________ "I won't come on tv and speak or write about anything and say words only half the people listening understand. In our language there's a similarity, words that are spelt differently but mean the same thing. Words that mean the same thing and the big men use these words, knowing full well that maybe only 10% of the people listening will understand. Well we don't. We speak the language that everybody understands. Instead of me saying somebody was avaricious, I'd say he was bloody greedy."
The comparison is that someone said that saying we were responsible for hillsborough is like saying that the people inside the WTC were responsible for the attacks.
he is basically tying the 2 in together to try and raise his profile the sad little man
