Rijkaard Sacked.

[Ian Sea]

Rijkaard did well at Barcelona and was the right manager at the right time. He could carry it on though, and that was his downfall. Once he had his team that won the league and European Cup, that was it, no more improvement and no more trophies.

Sometimes it's best for both parties that a manager leaves; Rijkaard will leave as a success who is loved by Barca fans before his reputation is ruined too much and Barca still have the basis of a very good team that they will hope can be improved on by the next manager.

It's definitely the right time for him to go, the old phrase 'he'd taken them as far as he could' is perfect for this situation.

[Jose Jones]

Originally Posted by Ian Sea

Rijkaard did well at Barcelona and was the right manager at the right time. He could carry it on though, and that was his downfall. Once he had his team that won the league and European Cup, that was it, no more improvement and no more trophies.

Sometimes it's best for both parties that a manager leaves; Rijkaard will leave as a success who is loved by Barca fans before his reputation is ruined too much and Barca still have the basis of a very good team that they will hope can be improved on by the next manager.

It's definitely the right time for him to go, the old phrase 'he'd taken them as far as he could' is perfect for this situation.

Yeah it's funny how debate gets so polarised so he's either brilliant or shit. I blame Rashid.
Rijkaard obviously did well his first couple of years at Barca - yeah he had some great players, but the way he had them playing was good to watch and effective. And they won a lot of stuff. He's underacheived the last couple of seasons for sure, and obviously struggled to contain all the egos in the dressing room.

[Thants]

Originally Posted by Maldini

That's The Fall man, have a bit of respect

YouTube - The Fall - Theme From Sparta FC #2 (Alternate Video)

Go easy on Mal, Maldini, the longevity of the band is twice as old as him (well, MES anyway).

[Rashid]

It would be interesting to hear how people decided when a double La Liga and Champions League winning manager has "taken the club as far as he can"... be good to hear the views of the resident "give the manager time" or the "manager needs 10 years to build a team" mob on their thoughts on when a manager has taken a club as far as he can and how this is measured.

[Dublin Red]

In your opinion, would Liverpool have a better chance of winning the league with Rijkaard as manager ?

[05 Milan]

Where has he gotten this "10-year"-shit from? Is it just some new playword that he was invented in his mind and is going to repeat over and over and over infinately, or has someone actually said it?

On the subject of stability; as long as you know you've got the best manager in place, surely the best strategy is to let him build over a number of years, even if it means some trophyless seasons here and there. It all come down to trusting the manager, and we know you don't Rash, and that's ok. But stop trying to convince people that you want to give him another season etc. People know you're lying, and that causes irritation.

[spider-neil]

directed to rashid (this no quote lark is a pile of old bollox if you ask me )

so you don't think rjikaard has taken barca as far as he can? that's is no disgrace to say that, also when the same question is levelled at rafa its patently obvious there is more to come from him.

[Cardie]

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[Rashid]

I think Rijkaard has had a tough time with players and their private lives... he just finished 3rd and in the semis of the CL with a bunch of injured or personally wreckec players... he got the sack. There are no excuses for him but have we done much better than that?

So I am just asking what people deem is required to prove you can take a club even further. Barca are mad to get rid of Rijkaard.

[Rashid]

Originally Posted by Cardie

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Something you wanted to say Cardie? Just wondering on your thoughts about sacking a manager who had won La Liga Twice and the CL once in the last 4 years? Monty and others have said managers like Wenger and Fergie have proved that you need atleast 10 years to build stabilty but I don't see that same logic applied to Rijkaard.

[Thants]

At least his won't suffer from piles due to the stress of it all what with you licking his arse so much.

[Rashid]

Thants - just wanted a little consistency mate.

[Cardie]

Rijkaard isn't a manager he's a coach.

The management are still in place and still building, infact they're rebuilding after version 1 showed it lacked the ability to sustain dominance for longer than two seasons as the players imploded.

It's a simple case of inserting a new coach into the position (Guardiola in this case) and continuing the work.

Wenger, Ferguson, Benitez are all managers.

[spider-neil]

the difference between rafa and rjikaard is the players are still playing for him (rafa) when you lose the players its best for all parties to part ways. rjikaard has lost the players, rafa hasn't.

[Rashid]

Originally Posted by Cardie

Wenger, Ferguson, Benitez are all managers.

Was Rafa a manager before he came here?

[TK421]

Rashid's petulance on this thread is funny.

Rashid, Barca and Real don't really operate in the same way that English clubs to. We're a bit of an exception to the European norm, really, when it comes to giving managers time and the freedom to impose themselves on a club. Rijkaard is never going to get 10 years as a manager at Barca, as we have seen it only takes a couple of seasons of underachieving (by which I mean not winning trophies) and the natives get very restless. It's a completely different culture to English football.

[Rashid]

Neil, 10 of the players are getting divorced... the players are fucked. Ronaldhino has been more or less sacked. Thats shit.

As for players playing for him, I will give you that... but how does their seaosn match up with ours?

[Carra_is_legend]

Originally Posted by TK421

Rashid's petulance on this thread is funny.

Rashid, Barca and Real don't really operate in the same way that English clubs to. We're a bit of an exception to the European norm, really, when it comes to giving managers time and the freedom to impose themselves on a club. Rijkaard is never going to get 10 years as a manager at Barca, as we have seen it only takes a couple of seasons of underachieving (by which I mean not winning trophies) and the natives get very restless. It's a completely different culture to English football.

Spot on. Madrid sacked Del Bosque after he won the title, they sacked Capello after he won the title. They will probably do the same with Schuster.

The day LFC go down that route will be the day I stop going to Anfield.

[Cardie]

What difference does that make?

Are we not talking about Barcelona sacking and replacing a coach and your ridiculous comparisons between them and us and not Rijkaards ability to become a manager or coach?

[Carra_is_legend]

Don't know why you are asking about Rafa at Valencia Rash, but I think he was a coach. Didn't he have a technical director or something?