goal difference vs head to head

[neko]

just a thought, but i find it somewhat inappropriate that goal difference decides a title instead of head to head competition.

i'll probably get abused for bringing 'north american' sporting ideals to football, but i just think that if you play the opposition twice every year and you end up tied at the end, you should first look to the head-to-head meetings to decide the tiebreaker.

chelsea drew 1-1 earlier in the year at old trafford, and of course they beat them 2-1 at home........easy to argue that chelsea deserve the title then.

goal difference is a good indicator of overall dominance, but it doesn't take into account running up the score in meaningless games. i'm sure that doesn't look good on the sport overall ?

just a thought - fire away.......

[Carra_is_legend]

Spanish title is decided on the head-to-head record I think.

I'm not sure about the other countries in europe.

Personally, I think it should be decided on goal difference. Say we are in Utd's position now - Chelsea drew 1-1 at Anfield and 0-0 at the Bridge so will you give them the title just because they scored a goal at Anfield? A goal that shouldn't have been? One off games could have been decided by a referee's mistake. Goal difference is the measure of a team in a whole season.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

I think it should be decided by a fight to the death between the two managers at a neutral venue.

[loadsoftrophies]

Didn't the mancs beat Chavski 2-0 at home, one of Avrams first games.
I think goal difference is the best way to decide it, you get rewarded for going out and scoring goals.

[neko]

Originally Posted by SCOUSE TAPAS

I think it should be decided by a fight to the death between the two managers at a neutral venue.

that's the kind of visionary idea that springs from debate.....

[Glen C]

Yep definitely goal difference for me. It shows how dominant you were over a whole season.

[kelly jones]

chelsea lost 2 nil at castle greyskull so the head to head would still give utd the title

[kelly jones]

Originally Posted by Glen C

Yep definitely goal difference for me. It shows how dominant you were over a whole season.

even though utd lost more games than chelsea have??

[neko]

Originally Posted by Carra_is_legend

Personally, I think it should be decided on goal difference. Say we are in Utd's position now - Chelsea drew 1-1 at Anfield and 0-0 at the Bridge so will you give them the title just because they scored a goal at Anfield? A goal that shouldn't have been? One off games could have been decided by a referee's mistake. Goal difference is the measure of a team in a whole season.

fair enough, but what if chelsea had beaten them twice and still lost the title on goal difference ?

the scenario you suggest (both ties) could then be decided by goal difference, and not away goals

[RedinSweden]

I think I should decide the outcome, even if the teams aren't tied on points. I won't even have to give reasons.

This year Liverpool win and Arsenal, Chelsea, United and Everton are relegated. The top three from the championship are promoted, unless it is Crystal Palace. Shrewsbury are promoted from League Two to the Prem.

[kelly jones]

Originally Posted by RedinSweden

I think I should decide the outcome, even if the teams aren't tied on points. I won't even have to give reasons.

This year Liverpool win and Arsenal, Chelsea, United and Everton are relegated. The top three from the championship are promoted, unless it is Crystal Palace. Shrewsbury are promoted from League Two to the Prem.

sounds good to me

[Karl]

Originally Posted by RedinSweden

I think I should decide the outcome, even if the teams aren't tied on points. I won't even have to give reasons.

This year Liverpool win and Arsenal, Chelsea, United and Everton are relegated. The top three from the championship are promoted, unless it is Crystal Palace. Shrewsbury are promoted from League Two to the Prem.

'kin Shrewsbury.

[John Gallagher]

Originally Posted by kelly jones

even though utd lost more games than chelsea have??

And also won more. Goal difference is the best way to do it. It rewards teams that generally don't sit back on slender leads and if the mancs do win the title on gd then they deserve it for scoring the most goals and conceding the least.

Us and Arsenal in 88-89 went right to the last game and we had same gd plus 37 after 38 games but because they had scored 8 more goals than us that was the deciding factor.

[neko]

Originally Posted by John Gallagher

And also won more. Goal difference is the best way to do it. It rewards teams that generally don't sit back on slender leads and if the mancs do win the title on gd then they deserve it for scoring the most goals and conceding the least.

Us and Arsenal in 88-89 went right to the last game and we had same gd plus 37 after 38 games but because they had scored 8 more goals than us that was the deciding factor.

AH-HA ! but what was the head to head score between them that year ?

edit: i found it on this inter-web thingie, but it looks like two scoreless draws, which mean my argument doesn't help

[John Gallagher]

Originally Posted by neko

AH-HA ! but what was the head to head score between them that year ?

1-1 at Highbury and 0-2 infamously at Anfield so yes they overall deserved the title but a season is over 38 games and due to already scoring more goals than us they deserved to win it that year.

[neko]

Originally Posted by John Gallagher

1-1 at Highbury and 0-2 infamously at Anfield so yes they overall deserved the title but a season is over 38 games and due to already scoring more goals than us they deserved to win it that year.

i must have found some incorrect results, but i guess the case for arsenal that season is pretty strong.

i've not been very good with my statistics today - i think i'll retire to work....

[lfc4eva99]

Goal Difference, keep it simple :)