Birmingham - Liverpool

[rebel23]

we're still yet to lose in the league when Lucas has played

I remember last year people were saying the same shit about Masher, he doesnt do enough, whats the point in playing 2 holding midfielders, etc etc.

[Top of the Kop]

Originally Posted by James Dean

Point is, he never has a good game. When he's good, he's average by everyone elses standard. He's one paced, has a poor touch, isn't very intelligent (football wise) and his passing is ok at best. There's just nothing there. Not even a glimpse.

Good in Brazil? Cheyrou was great in France. What happened there?

Lucas "isnt very intelligent football wise" my god! that would be like me saying your knowledge of football is unsurpassable...

[philyburkhill]

We're also yet to lose when Plessis has played.

[zigackly]

Originally Posted by James Dean

Point is, he never has a good game. When he's good, he's average by everyone elses standard. He's one paced, has a poor touch, isn't very intelligent (football wise) and his passing is ok at best. There's just nothing there. Not even a glimpse.

Sorry but I think that's pure bullshit, he's had some good games for us and some poor ones. As for poor touch, intelligence and passing, you're miles off. It's his stamina and strength which let him down which is unsurprising coming into the English game from the Brazilian one. He's not been great so far but he's shown enough promise to convince me he can be a good player when he improves his physical attributes.

[Top of the Kop]

Originally Posted by philyburkhill

Guthrie isn't Brazillian. Just because he won it, doesn't mean he'll be a success in England. It all seems to come back to his reputation, he won this award so he must be boss.

and he has shown glimpses of brilliance. The lad is just 20 and in a new country, give the little fecker a chance before writing him off

[billybonzo]

Looks to have the makings of a good player to me, sometimes players need a season to bed in.

[James Dean]

Originally Posted by zigackly

Sorry but I think that's pure bullshit, he's had some good games for us and some poor ones. As for poor touch, intelligence and passing, you're miles off. It's his stamina and strength which let him down which is unsurprising coming into the English game from the Brazilian one. He's not been great so far but he's shown enough promise to convince me he can be a good player when he improves his physical attributes.

I completely disagree. Let's leave it at that..

[billybonzo]

Originally Posted by James Dean

I completely disagree. Let's leave it at that..

Thank god you haven't got any influence at the club then.

[coop]

I think its unfair to single Lucas out for criticism today when they were far more experienced players who were equally as poor.

It wasnt a very good team performance today and only Pennant can come out of the game with any sort of pride from his display.

Finnan wont be happy at the part he played in the first goal and does seem to be a player struggling to find form thanks to injuries and rotation.

Riise before been replaced was trying offer width but the same old problems of trying to shoot as soon as he passes the halfway line and although he was only on for half an hour Insua used the ball a lot better.

In midfield Lucas and Plessis were well over run and both struggled throughout the game. Understandable when you look at their age and experience but their times will come and hopefully they will feature in our last two league games of the season.

Benayoun improved in the second half when he went more central but still was on the outside of the game looking in too much for me. He is a squad player and nothing more.

Crouch and Voronin were fucking gash today. They both played in the last game against Fulham and were gash then and hopefully neither of them will be playing for Liverpool next season.

Its a shame for Crouch because he can offer so much more for Liverpool but his head just isnt in the game and it seems to me that he is off.

Pennant was superb today. No-one can question the lads attitude as he has done everything to try and keep in Rafas plans. He has asked to play in the ressies to keep his match fitness and performed well there as well.

[shanks59]

Originally Posted by George Costanza

Both our right and left sides are very mediocre. Our strength is in our spine.

Personally i'd offload both Pennant and Benayoun if it meant bringing in one quality player on the right.

As for Dirk and Babel. You can't really knock Dirk too much because of his effort, workrate sheer willingness to do everything for the team cause. He's scored some important goals recently and his performances have been much improved too. However for 75% of the season he's been poor and not good enough. If we are to really progress he needs to become more squad player than a regualr starter. Bable has hige potential - we've mostly seen it when he's come fromt he bench or in 10-15 bursts. Still not quite sure what his position will end up being but he's got huge promise IMO

Has been for years ..

[James Dean]

Originally Posted by billybonzo

Thank god you haven't got any influence at the club then.

Ok.

[Top of the Kop]

Originally Posted by James Dean

Ok.

he is only joking mate, you would make a fantastic head scout.

[James Dean]

Originally Posted by Top of the Kop

he is only joking mate, you would make a fantastic head scout.

Ok.

[woo-lfc]

Does anyone mind that crouch hasnt played particularly well in the past two games but scored twice? could say 3 in 3 if you count the last prem game he started aswell (arsenal away)

is he simply advertising himself in the shop window? or maybe he is adjusting his game to score more goals. I see him drop deep to much where as he has been in or around the box for the three goals he scored. Lets hope he signs a new deal unless we get 10m plus for him.

[shanks59]

Originally Posted by coop

I think its unfair to single Lucas out for criticism today when they were far more experienced players who were equally as poor.

It wasnt a very good team performance today and only Pennant can come out of the game with any sort of pride from his display.

Finnan wont be happy at the part he played in the first goal and does seem to be a player struggling to find form thanks to injuries and rotation.

Riise before been replaced was trying offer width but the same old problems of trying to shoot as soon as he passes the halfway line and although he was only on for half an hour Insua used the ball a lot better.

In midfield Lucas and Plessis were well over run and both struggled throughout the game. Understandable when you look at their age and experience but their times will come and hopefully they will feature in our last two league games of the season.

Benayoun improved in the second half when he went more central but still was on the outside of the game looking in too much for me. He is a squad player and nothing more.

Crouch and Voronin were fucking gash today. They both played in the last game against Fulham and were gash then and hopefully neither of them will be playing for Liverpool next season.

Its a shame for Crouch because he can offer so much more for Liverpool but his head just isnt in the game and it seems to me that he is off.

Pennant was superb today. No-one can question the lads attitude as he has done everything to try and keep in Rafas plans. He has asked to play in the ressies to keep his match fitness and performed well there as well.

Money Money Money

These second string games are paying off ...

Crouch scoring ... Villa, Citeh, Pompey, Newcastle, Boro it's auction time

Benayoun scores .. West Ham ..

Pennant on fire .. Newcastle, Citeh, Villa

Voronin .. back to lederhosen land

Ginger .. villa, newcastle ..

Finnan .. ??

[George Costanza]

Originally Posted by shanks59

Has been for years ..

while out wide we've been relatively poor hence why no League title for 18 years