SOS Statement

[Gods back]

Originally Posted by real red

Had to get this off my chest, and it's not aimed at anyone personally, or even suggesting that anyone is acting as they are for anything other than the good of the club.

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Wasn't the vote at the last meeting that said dialogue with owners or potential owners carried with the proviso all meetings were minuted, the contents were not kept secret?

Not trying to stir up trouble, but surely a meeting with Hicks done in this way would raise no end of complaints about what was said or not said, what sweeteners might have been offered and so on? I think that's something like the way the comments went before that vote at the meeting anyway.

Staveley represents an investment firm that has used dubious tactics to try and win fans over (Tony Barrett's piece about the Sheikh being a boyhood Red for example) that might have an LFC-wallpaper-using CEO but is still a company looking to make itself richer out of us.

I understand the conflict between insisting everything's on the record and actually not getting a meeting with them at all, but I think if you're going to announce you've had such meetings, or you or they are going to let it leak, that such meetings should be put on record.

Personally I trust them only marginally more than Tom Hicks, but far more than George Gillett. I've not fully made up my mind where Parry sits in this tree of shite, but he's sharing a branch with David Moores.

The "we were also told DIC hold the manager in high regard" is an example of why the meeting should either have been kept completely confidential, or thoroughly minuted.

It's a nothing statement. It's a David Bick style statement. Did it have a "but" on the end?

I've also noticed some inaccuracies creeping into some of the statements and quotes attributed to SoS, which I think as supporters who have seen what innacuracies in reporting can do, we should never, ever, even dream of going down the road of.

The selective quoting, the mis-quoting, the quotes going to the wrong person.

Throwing a claim onto a forum to back up what you think of someone is all well and good. But unfortunately those who are in positions of responsibility need to be telling the truth and checking their facts.

Maybe it makes no difference, because maybe he's going down anyway. I suppose it depends on how you feel about people being judged on the truth, rather than the version of it that fits the aims of those claiming the 'truth'.

Maybe that's how the police got away with stuff against the IRA in the past. In some cases they thought they knew who was guilty, they had almost enough proof, but just to be on the safe side they added a bit more. And nobody was bothered, after all, it was only someone everybody hated.

It can only have really been DIC and Parry that told us through the media from December onwards about the financial troubles that Hicks and Gillett had. In the end we believed it. And now, we want to make sure there's no doubt, so just to be on the safe side we add a bit more evidence. We even now find we can ignore Gillett's 'crimes', he's made a plea bargain and what a great guy he is for doing so. Even Parry's sentence will be lowered if he can help send this guy down.

All of them should be judged on the truth. Whether we like them or not. Because then, in ten or twenty years' time, we can tell our kids or grandkids that we weren't part of something that we should all be ashamed of.

If not, then we'd better not ever expect the truth to work for us again.

Ever.

Excellent post.

I think to many see DIC as our saviour.

Time may tell.

PS. Im not a Hicks sympathiser.

[theRedHorse]

"Create Ties With Those Who Break Ties And Always Speak The Truth- Even If It Is Against Yourself."

[Neil G]

Originally Posted by Paul

Rashid in "Never bothered to read a post properly" shocker.

Originally Posted by Cath

Rash, read RR's post again. It's constructive criticism. Being cautious about DIC's motives doesn't make you a Hick's sympathiser.

Originally Posted by isr

Rashid, seriously brother, come on.

No apology from Rash yet.

In your own time son.

[Karl]

You'll be waiting a long time, Neil.

[Neil G]

Originally Posted by Karl

You'll be waiting a long time, Neil.

No I won't. People are taking him to task, including one of the posters that he respects most. He'll be around.

I don't usually get involved in arguments with or about Rash, but his response to RR was a new low in wilful ignorance which I'm not prepared to let go.

[theRedHorse]

Originally Posted by Neil G

No I won't. People are taking him to task, including one of the posters that he respects most. He'll be around.

I don't usually get involved in arguments with or about Rash, but his response to RR was a new low in wilful ignorance which I'm not prepared to let go.

Calm down... It wasn't that bad.

[Rashid]

realred has over the past few weeks been hinting at trusting Hicks more than Gillett and DIC. I find that disturbing.

[Karl]

Most of us find you disturbing.

Why should we trust DIC more than Hicks and Gillette? They've done nothing to prove they care more about this club than the Yanks. If they do get control and back up their claims then great, but until they do that they're just rich people who want to invest in a football club.

You owe RR an apology and stop being an egotistical wanker about it.

[Rashid]

Why are you calling me names?

The apology to readred isn't a problem, and I am sorry if I misread him or caused distress. I don't think he needs anyone to defend him though....

[Karl]

Beacuse I don't like you.

It's not about defending him, but you know what, you'll never understand why you're in the wrong here. The same as you never, ever do.

[Uncle Travelling Matt]

Rashid, you're a bigger cunt than Riise!

[real red]

Gillett's at the bottom of the pile as far as my trust is concerned. I'd trust David Moores with a big book of hard sums more than I'd trust Gillett with anything.

From what's been said on or behalf of DIC in public I don't trust them a great deal either.

As far as Hicks is concerned, I'm not too arsed about him using a new mug or a plasma tv with an open fire DVD playing on it. It was no tackier than Moores' muzzie or Parry's ties really, just something to take the piss out of him for. He was unfair to Parry with that letter, but he was right to say it. Just should have been kept private. I'm annoyed that when you check back a lot of what's been said against him was actually Gillett, a lot more was never actually said at all, and when you stop and think you actually start to struggle at just why everybody is against him quite as far as they are.

He's no Pepe Reina, maybe a Jerzy Dudek (excl Istanbul), but he keeps getting called a Charles Itandje.

But are DIC a Pepe Reina or just a Chris Kirkland without the injuries?

Or are DIC a little like the darker side of a Brucie?

Fucked if I know where I'm going with this.

Brad Friedel. It's his fault. All of it.

[Rashid]

Originally Posted by Karl

Beacuse I don't like you.

On ignore.

[Karl]

Boo-frickety-hoo.

[Karl]

RASHID IS A COCK.

Let's find out.

[Fugitive]

SOS nearly Killed me this Afternoon!!!!

Got twatted on the head with a ball outside the Courts by someone wearing an SOS t-shirt and my head is still banging. The fact that I'm pissed and was well on the way at the time has absolutely nothing to do with it and the deep mental scars I'm suffering from after having my mates rolling on the floor pissing themselves is hurting.

£1000 compo should help heal the Physical and Psychological injuries sustained. I'm gonna add £3 to that figure for the bottle of Stella dropped upon impact.



Fucking funny how many people got hit though.

[real red]

Originally Posted by Fugitive

SOS nearly Killed me this Afternoon!!!!

Got twatted on the head with a ball outside the Courts by someone wearing an SOS t-shirt and my head is still banging. The fact that I'm pissed and was well on the way at the time has absolutely nothing to do with it and the deep mental scars I'm suffering from after having my mates rolling on the floor pissing themselves is hurting.

£1000 compo should help heal the Physical and Psychological injuries sustained. I'm gonna add £3 to that figure for the bottle of Stella dropped upon impact.



Fucking funny how many people got hit though.

It was probably robbief trying to dis SoS.

[Neil G]

Originally Posted by Rashid

realred has over the past few weeks been hinting at trusting Hicks more than Gillett and DIC. I find that disturbing.

No he hasn't.

Originally Posted by Rashid

The apology to readred isn't a problem, and I am sorry if I misread him or caused distress. I don't think he needs anyone to defend him though....

But fair enough, that's what I was after.

Maybe RR can't be arsed to defend himself on this occasion. I wouldn't normally leap to his defence either as he can look after himself, but I've been on the wrong end of your seemingly deliberate misreading of posts often enough for that post to have properly got under my skin.

[Gods back]

Originally Posted by real red

It was probably robbief trying to dis SoS.

Nah

He was on a plane to Turkey!