Benitez opens up on transfers, treachery, Torres, titles - and, of course, tinkering
Benitez opens up on transfers, treachery, Torres, titles - and, of course, tinkering
From The TimesMarch 31, 2008
The Liverpool manager goes on the record exclusively with The Game, starting, as he must, with rotation
Guillem Balague
Liverpool’s victory over the old enemy yesterday will ease the pressure on Rafael BenÍtez, for whom two Champions League final appearances in three season has not been enough to avoid harsh judgments after another failed title bid. Here he answers his critics.
Your way of working has always involved squad rotation. How and why do you take the decision to rotate a player? Are fewer rotations the way forward?
First, if you rotate a squad it means you believe in your players and trust in their ability to perform. You want everyone to feel they are working together to achieve our goals. If we win it is thanks to the efforts of everyone, however small their contribution. Look at Vladimir Smicer, who did not play a lot for us [in 2004-05] but scored one of the goals that allowed us to win the Champions League.
Every manager with a team in European competitions and with international players, with so many games to play, rotates his squad – call them changes, rotations, they all do it. Nowadays, in comparison to 20 years ago, we play 20 per cent more games in a season. Players run 15 per cent more than they used to and, even more importantly, they run 30 per cent faster.
Things have changed in terms of physical demands. The decision to rotate starts by watching my team train – that is a priority for me. I see which players have energy and what players need to rest. You look at a player, talk to your staff, to the doctors, try to analyse the situation and then you chat to the footballer, although he will almost always say that he is ready to play. So sometimes you have to read between the lines to gauge whether they are really fully fit and if they are more tired than they are letting on.
Do you feel that Alex Ferguson “changes the team” and you “rotate” or “tinker”?
When managers win matches, people talk about how they changed players; if they don’t win, then it becomes “rotation policies”. People make an evaluation of a team without knowing enough about the side. People would say, “Why don’t you just pick the same team?” but they haven’t given the wider issues enough thought.
Are you still involved in all the training sessions?
I’ve always gone to every training session and I will keep doing this. Maybe from time to time manager obligations force me to miss some parts of training, but it is very rare. It is a priority to be there whenever I can, especially when addressing tactical issues.
Why does your Liverpool side not yet look like your old Valencia side?
The team that I left at Valencia had had great success and were a strong unit. That side knew what they had to do and destroyed opponents. I think that this Liverpool team has had moments where they’ve played at a similar level, but logically everything takes time.
When I arrived at Valencia I found a squad that was already quite dangerous, solid and well put together by Héctor Cúper. When we arrived at Liverpool we found a team that was low in confidence and hadn’t had a winning record. We had to rebuild. None of the players that left us are playing at a club that are of a higher standard than Liverpool.
What would your ideal Liverpool side be like - similar to your old Valencia team?
Some teams prefer the long game, others the short game. I think there’s always a middle path to take between the two. I like a team that always knows what to do in each moment, a team that knows when it’s time to maintain possession and play the short ball and by the same token a team that knows when it’s time to take a more direct approach.
What tactical differences are there between the Premier League and the Champions League? Do you think the less tactical nature of some Premier League games is the reason why your style of play is yet to triumph in the English league?
Evidently the Premier League is much more physical and in the Champions League, tactically speaking there are more options open to a manager. When you are talking about long balls and second balls, what you are looking at effectively is a 50-50 scenario. It can go one of two ways. Whoever wins that second ball will either continue attacking or be able to start a counter-attack.
What this means is that the Premier League is tactically speaking a more simple or straightforward competition. You can try to control two or three aspects of a game and that’s enough. In the Champions League the tactics become more complex because different styles of play are brought together when different teams from different countries meet.
Is the Premier League more straightforward in terms of tactics but more difficult in terms of control of the game?
Yes, we are talking about a very physical competition. When you put the ball in the opposition’s penalty area and you fight for it, a physical dimension takes over.
So what do Liverpool need to do to win the Premier League?
A balance between technical ability and physical strength. We’re a team with enough technical ability to play well and we have enough physical strength to compete, but what we need to do is bring these two elements together so that when key moments arise we are ready and able to compete.
Do you favour the Champions League over other competitions? Do your goals for this season change?
You start every season here with four objectives. As a manager, you have to be able to manage your resources to get the best out of your squad.
In terms of the Premier League we were close at certain points this season, but we drew s e v e r a l games and lost touch, whereas in the Champions League we continued to progress. What happens is that subconsciously your focus turns to the competition you have within your reach.
They say that the departure of Pako Ayestarán [the former assistant manager] had a negative effect on the morale and performance of the team. Is that the way you see it? Can you tell us what happened?
Pako was much more than a physical trainer, he was my friend and someone I trusted for many years. I worked with him for 11 years. It’s a recent wound that still hurts.
Liverpool gave him autonomy and power and I think that changed him a lot – he wanted more and more. One day I found out that he had serious contacts with other teams and that seemed to me a betrayal towards me and the club that I couldn’t accept. He told me he wanted to leave the same day that we played against Toulouse, so I lost someone I trusted greatly, a key member of my staff at a crucial moment in the preseason.
Logically, this has an effect on a team. The people that arrived had to adapt and familiarise themselves with a new environment. This meant that a transitional period started at the club, but we still managed to win games and play well. Then, when we started to draw games, people questioned our work.
I believe that no one is irreplaceable and we have to keep moving forward. Paco de Miguel took over the role as physical trainer. Also, as a result, I have more of a presence around the team and try to have more involvement with the players.
Certain commentators say that if Fernando Torres had played more you could have been challenging for the Premier League title.
That has been one of the great lies of this season. There are a lot of people that talk without having thought things through about the number of games Torres has played and the impact that this has had on our performance in the league. Torres did not take part in the victorious games against Toulouse [4-0], Beşiktaş [8-0] and Havant & Waterlooville [5-2].
He didn’t make the bench in eight games; for six of these he was injured, which seems to be something that people forget. The other two games were in the FA Cup and Carling Cup, so the theory about our position in the league being down to Torres being missing doesn’t add up.
How much did he cost?
Whenever we talk about the deal for Torres with Atlético Madrid we always include Luis GarcÍa in the price. The total cost of the operation is around £20 million.
Has his success surprised you?
You always have confidence in a player that arrives with energy and desire and who has great quality. However, the truth is that he has been a fantastic success. He has already scored 28 goals and the level of play he brings to the side and his commitment to the team is hugely significant.
We formulated a plan when he arrived, focusing on trying to keep him up front close to the defenders because with the speed that he has, if you give him a good pass he’ll latch on to it. The problem is, with so many games we haven’t had bags of time to work on specifics. We’ve tried with the group to work on certain technical individual aspects as well as helping the players to learn how to execute at crucial moments.
In Fernando’s case this involves tuning up his finishing, for example. We try to find time to work as well on Steven Gerrard’s new role, which he is certainly enjoying.
Thirty-one goals out of 56 [in the league] this season have come from Torres and Gerrard. Is that a worry?
This shows that they are two players with great timing and quality – they are a great plus for us. But we have to get to a point where other players get on to the scoresheet, too, the likes of Dirk Kuyt, Peter Crouch and Ryan Babel, for instance.
In Britain the press do not focus on tactics so much. Do you feel, because of that, your work has been undervalued?
Not specifically. It’s true that the press in England talk a lot more about names. Here they talk about the name of the player and the performance of the individual over the collective performance. This is part of the football culture here and I accept it.
When I talk to the members of the press that come by here on a regular basis, I get the impression that they know what they’re talking about. I understand that analysis from a distance is harder.
People accuse you of not signing properly. And they mention Josemi, Antonio Núñez, Craig Bellamy and even Jermaine Pennant.
At a time when we didn’t have endless economic resources, I think that we made good signings in general. We should be talking about players like Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Xabi Alonso, Luis GarcÍa, Torres, Babel, Lucas Leiva, Skrtel and also Arbeloa, Sissoko, Fabio Aurélio, Kuyt. These are players who have brought a lot to the team. And in certain cases – for example, Sissoko and Bellamy – the club gained financially.
We have signed 28 players in four years for the first team. Considering that the number of changes we had to make when I arrived and the fact that without much money we have to take more risks, I don’t think this is a disproportionate number.
Why does Crouch not play more regularly?
We’ve established a system with one main striker and one secondary striker that works quite well. Logically this makes it more complicated for him. We have a striker that has scored 28 goals, so the other players have to work around that. For instance, now if the secondary striker is Gerrard [who has scored 19 goals], logically there are less options for the other players.
You talk about differences in spending between Chelsea, Manchester United and yourselves. Arsenal are having success having spent less. What is the right path to follow for Liverpool?
I have a rough idea of the figures involved. Chelsea had spent £120 million previously and an additional £240 million to win the league in the 2004-05 season. Manchester United have spent £200 million in recent years. This year on Carlos Tévez, Owen Hargreaves, Anderson and Nani, that cost them more than £70 million. Tottenham have spent £100 million in the last two seasons alone. And Arsenal have spent more or less the same amount as we have on young players with potential.
In my four years at Liverpool we have spent £150 million and we have gained somewhere in the region of £70 million. Looking at those numbers, there’s a difference of £20 million per season, yet we have won four [trophies] and played seven finals. When all things are considered, that’s not a bad return. I think that we’re on the right path.
Now we can spend money on players if we can earn some by selling players. If we don’t have the £500 million Chelsea spent in recent years, we have to look to lay the foundations in the youth teams and reserve teams and build from there.
The players in the reserve team are 17, 18 years old, so they’ll need two, three years to reach the right level and the first team. We are close to making three signings, one for the first team.
Is it only money that is the difference with the other top three? Is it also a question of mentality?
I think that success breeds confidence and a positive mentality. We won the Champions League [in 2005] and that victory meant that we had the confidence to reach another final in that competition [in 2007]. In the Premier League we have not had the same success, so we are steadily building the same confidence.
How much longer would you like to stay at Liverpool?
I am very happy and would like to stay here for many more years.
What communication have you had with Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr?
I have had contact through e-mail with them and also Rick Parry [the chief executive] lets me know what the situation is.
Re: Benitez opens up on transfers, treachery, Torres, titles - and, of course, tinker
Totally disagree on Rafa's assertion that the team has enough technical ability. The passing ability of players such as Babel, Lucas, Carragher, JAR and Kuyt is way behind the players in the squads of the top 3. That's the area he must address if he is to win the Premiership.
His answer to some of the questions also show his obsession with complicating the game. Pass and move is the basics, we can't get that right yet he complicates it with science.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
Totally disagree on Rafa's assertion that the team has enough technical ability. The passing ability of players such as Babel, Lucas, Carragher, JAR and Kuyt is way behind the players in the squads of the top 3. That's the area he must address if he is to win the Premiership.
His answer to some of the questions also show his obsession with complicating the game. Pass and move is the basics, we can't get that right yet he complicates it with science.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
Totally disagree on Rafa's assertion that the team has enough technical ability. The passing ability of players such as Babel, Lucas, Carragher, JAR and Kuyt is way behind the players in the squads of the top 3. That's the area he must address if he is to win the Premiership.
His answer to some of the questions also show his obsession with complicating the game. Pass and move is the basics, we can't get that right yet he complicates it with science.
You might have missed it but I asked a couple of days ago about all those Leeds games in a close space of time; seven in fifteen days or something I think you said? I was wondering how many of them Leeds won, as I had a quick google and couldn't find out.
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Re: Benitez opens up on transfers, treachery, Torres, titles - and, of course, tinker
A good read - talking sense and allowed to do so by a journo.
I know I am preaching to the converted here but the big frustration of being a LFC fan these days is the amount of unchallenged distortions of the truth which are bandied about in the media - TV , radio and newspapers. At least this goes some way to redressing the balance - not that anyone will take much notice - when has the media ever let the truth get in the way of a story?
Did anyone listen to Tommy Smith on 5live this morning? - banging on with the whole Rafa and rotation - we won the league with 14 players so why can't Rafa?, Rafa only wants the CL not the PL and none of the present squad would get onto the team of his day nonsense.
Now I loved Tommy as a player - total legend - but he needs keeping away from the media when he says stuff like that - as has been said many times - the key players like SG and FT have almost always played and in football today a big squad is needed and they all need some games so the periphery players can be changed (as all the top teams do), Rafa wants the PL as much as all of us - it is a hard league to win - the standard is very high with 4 of the top 8 teams in Europe in it and OK the 1965-77 team was great but times move on, it's no use continually looking back - and they didn't win at the San Siro like the present team did the other week did they Tom.
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Originally Posted by cracker
Yes tho I can agree with Hermes here that the passing ability of the team needs improving especially some of the players he listed.
Agreed and some of his excuses about Torres not playing are pretty weak as well.
Some of the interview comes over as getting his excuses in early just in case he is fired in the summer.
He´s a good manager but has made some mistakes this season but I am sure we would have challenged more for the title if we hadnt had Mr Hicks being a total twat.
If he stays next season I really hope he has learned his lesson and just let the team go and kill the opposition and rest players like Gerrard and Torres when they get injuries as they will.
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Babel and Lucas are two young players in there first season with us coming from other leauges and will only get better Kuyt is a striker whos normal role would not be laying on passes playing a diffrent role for the team and Carra is Carra and has other qualities that make him a valuable player to us so that leaves JAR and he isnt as bad as people make him out to be so i dont agree that we have a problem in passing as such more with the speed or lack of it within our build up play in some areas
But the fact remains are best 11 can beat all the other teams in the Prem bar top 3
9 times out of 10 we will see where we are with Arsenal in the next week and after that Chelsea but we know we fall short against United and that is down to spending Power alone not short commings with our passing so i cant agree
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Originally Posted by Red Nick
some of his excuses about Torres not playing are pretty weak as well.
How did you work that one out?
Very interesting article. Very honest, quite positive. Once again, I found the part about Pako quite moving, for want of a better word. Don't really get some of the digs here. Don't normally get to read interviews where the journalist isn't interpreting and spinning more than just writing what the interviewee is saying. All in all - enjoyable.
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Originally Posted by Red Nick
some of his excuses about Torres not playing are pretty weak as well.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
Totally disagree on Rafa's assertion that the team has enough technical ability. The passing ability of players such as Babel, Lucas, Carragher, JAR and Kuyt is way behind the players in the squads of the top 3. That's the area he must address if he is to win the Premiership.
His answer to some of the questions also show his obsession with complicating the game. Pass and move is the basics, we can't get that right yet he complicates it with science.
technical ability amounts to more than passing the ball, for instance babel's ability to stirke the ball with such power and virtually no back lift takes fantasitic technique or alonso's ability to put the ball virtually anywhere on the pitch.
I thought it was a good read myself
Last edited by spider-neil; 31st March 2008 at 06:21 AM.
Re: Benitez opens up on transfers, treachery, Torres, titles - and, of course, tinker
A great read, and I agree with many of his points, that manifests that Rafa is still the right choice for Liverpool.
I am still astounded how fast he has gotten Torres to adapt so well to PL; that is not an easy task, and I can only see him being even better next season.
Furthermore I think he has handled adversity incredibly well, considering what he has been up against; injury of Agger, loss of Sissoko, loss of Pako Ayestarán, the conflicts with the owners and so on and so forth.
Of course it hurts that we find ourselves at 4th spot in PL, but we are still successful in CL, which is still quite a feat, considering above. With 3 new signings coming for next seasons start - I can only see that we will do better in PL next season, unless we are struck with more bad luck.
Considering our "thin" wallet - I think Rafa has done incredibly well with the signings as well.
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I wrote in the fanzine a couple of months ago that I felt Rafa's communication skills only serve to compound the problems he faces; he is too closed and rarely explains his ideas in detail (to the players as well as the fans and media, I suspect). More of this sort of thing would help people to understand his decisions and maybe, therefore, ease some of the pressure on him.
A good interview. Ballague basically put every single stick that's been used to beat him with to Rafa and gave him the chance to respond. I'd like to see this sort of stuff far more often as, in terms of the wider perception of the club (as opposed to his own position within it), Rafa hasn't even been fighting the media battle, never mind winning it.
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Re: Benitez opens up on transfers, treachery, Torres, titles - and, of course, tinker
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Originally Posted by Hermes
Totally disagree on Rafa's assertion that the team has enough technical ability. The passing ability of players such as Babel, Lucas, Carragher, JAR and Kuyt is way behind the players in the squads of the top 3. That's the area he must address if he is to win the Premiership.
His answer to some of the questions also show his obsession with complicating the game. Pass and move is the basics, we can't get that right yet he complicates it with science.
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This is a very good article and brings up many things for me and I am surprised people haven't decided to open up a debate on Rafa's thinking. Let's take each of the issues that I think are important and see what transpires.
Technical Ability
The team has enough? I won't even respond to that bullshit.
Everton
We started really well, got the goal and then decided to sit back in the 2nd half - why did we do this? What if they fluked an equaliser? They were there for the taking - contrast this with what United did to Aston Villa and you get the picture. The bottom line is that we aren't measured on ourselves (although it can be argued that we have gone backwards these past 2 years), but measured against the best - and we are miles behind United both mentally and in quality. I am starting to doubt whether Rafa has the mentality to win the title given his penchant to be overly cautious and pragmatic against the absolute shite that we played yesterday.
Squad rotation
Rafa loves it, forum law should be that we never discuss it again for as long as he is manager - it is what he does. Has squad rotation helped us to challenge for the league though? You know the answer.
Long and Short game
If Rafa said this to me in an interview for the Liverpool job he would not get past the first stage. It is obvious from that he likes the long ball equally as much as the short ball. I despair sometimes to be honest because United and Arsenal have proved over the past 15 years that you don't need to be dogs of war to win the league. 16 of the rest of the teams are dogshit and we don't need to play long against them. On all too many occasions we end up going down to the level of the team we are playing which is a leveller for them, instead should be imposing our talent.
Torres
Forum law - He isn't really rotated and he cost £20m
Kuyt
Rafa says he has been a good signing, that should be a sackable offence. (with no offence to Dirk, but that is absolute shite)
Signings
28 in fours years is not disproportionate? Rafa you have taken a top 4 side to the top 4 for fucks sake. Seperate thread already on this.
Manchester United
They have not spent £200m in recent years Rafa (unless recent is up to 10 years ago), they have spent less than you these past 4 years, less than you this past year and less than Liverpool this past 15 years. As have Arsenal..... in fact your own spending is approaching £200m!
I want Rafa to stay and I have said that a number of times over the past few weeks. I really do believe that the signing of Torres and Mascherano have been superb and for that alone he should stay and see it out. That doesn't mean he is bullet proof, it doesn't mean that we should tolerate another season as also rans, and it doesn't mean that we continue to play percentage football using players like Dirk Kuyt as 'workers' in attacking positions. This won't win us the league and this isn't how I want Liverpool Football Club to be. We also seem to go to Manchester United with a severe inferiority complex and this can't be allowed to continue.
I think Rafa will be and should be allowed to spend big this summer, he will also have to change the mentality of the players and for me the style of football. However, whatever he does, the excuses will have to stop from him and some fans at some point.
