The Bitters!?

[njackets]

Are they getting worse? Was on a diffent (mixed) Sports forum before that im a reguler on,the resident bitter on there (who im allways having murder with) after reminising about the old friendly Derbys and telling the rest of the Forum about us being in same Pubs,being mates,familys split etc came in the post rubbishing it all.Starts bragging about the trouble down County Road after the match and between the Blob Shop and Withers in Town.He's a cunt of the highest order! Who brags about reading the Sun n 'Murderer' n Hysel gets brought up in allmost any arguement.He's a season ticket holder and I know a few bitters who are'nt like this,but are noticing a few others who are getting as bad as the twat mentiond.

[RedKnight]

I think our fans are getting as bad if that helps you.

[stringvest]

It's becoming a less civilised place to live. True that.

[njackets]

I never had a problem with them tbh,about 10 years ago used 2 enjoy a bit of banter,I did'nt like them but I did'nt hate them.Now I find myself really despising them,but I put this down 2 the Hysel n murderer shite they come out with.Also sinse when did they start reading the Sun? I know of 2 who do,and word has it that there sales have gone up on Merseyside recently,dont know how much truth is in that?

[George Costanza]

i don't think its that bad. i have about 6/7 blushite mates and all are reasonable. I fact all of them expect to get beat on sunday and all of them reckon they'll finish 5th or 6th and that they've over- achieved this year. They'll never give us any praise but at least they'll not come out with inferiority heysel complex.

[Doctor Troy]

Fucking hate them, there are about 2/3 I know who are ok but the rest are more arsed about Liverpool than their own team so fuck the lot of them.

[njackets]

I had 2 split something up in my local, Derby day a few years ago after the match,6 0r 7 blokes ready 2 twat each other,told them they were being daft and that were all Scousers at the end of the day.Thats the anoying part 4 me Scousers fighting with Scousers.The bitters who kicked off that time are in the Pub every time were on the tele so im told,if we win they finish up and leave,if we lose there on the wind up all night!

[Fugitive]

Most of my Bluenose mates are sound. Two of them came to Istanbul with us and when we met up with them after the game they seemed genuinely happy that we were so chuffed. They said that night in Istanbul was one of the best nights out they have ever had. I've got one or two mates who cant be reasoned with and are cunts when they start on about their team but on the whole my bitter mates are OK.

[ManxRed]

Obviously not in Liverpool but the bitters I know (who are mostly scousers) are sound. Its the scummers I know who are the complete arseholes, all but one of them don't come from Manchester!

[Lapskaus]

Originally Posted by RedKnight

I think our fans are getting as bad if that helps you.

support everton then

[GOLDMEMBER]

All my birds family are blues, her dads sound hes quite knowlegable about footy. but her brothers gradually get worse, the youngest is a prick. I think the majority of young blues would rather liverpool lose than everton win.

[05 Milan]

Originally Posted by Lapskaus

support everton then

I didn't quite catch that logic?

[robbief]

our pub is sound if your local. its a really cliquey kind of place but if your in your in with everyone. one off 'visitors' aren't really made an effort with.
we have blues and reds with about an even split. the blues all know that its a liverpool pub but we don't shout them down or anything, we let them watch their games aswell. anyway last derby, we all packed in as usual, reds blues and nuetrals together, all mates and theres a couple of not locals in aswell. everton go one up and at half time hell brakes loose outside with this little firm of bitters trying to start the old 'murderers' shit. just as carra fouled what;s his name in the last minute one of them jumped up and through a glass at the big screen and shouted 'i fucking hate that team' and the screen got knocked off the wall. not long after this the reds and the blues from the pub were together in kicking shit out of this stupid gang of asshats.
that was the best way i'v seen them get dealt with. if you say something football related they don't understand, fill them in and they won't hassle you again.

[Philbert]

A considered, broader view.....

I think the problem has more to do with individuals and their level of maturity (or lack of it) rather than the fact that they follow a particular team or not.

As Rudyard Kipling said "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two impostors just the same - you will be a man my son..." And therein lies the problem - trouble flares when people experience defeat or miss out on a victory and just can't handle it.

Partisanship then leads to prejudice, which in turn precludes the fair evaluation of facts. It also leads to self-righteousness and intolerance.

The problem is not with deeply held convictions, it’s that too many people often think that the more intensely they believe something, the more likely it is that they’re right.

This leads to ranting and name-calling by both Red & Blue which actually does a disservice to both of our clubs.

There are no winners in all of this.

(Don't know what the answer is by the way!!)

[robbief]

Originally Posted by Philbert

A considered, broader view.....

I think the problem has more to do with individuals and their level of maturity (or lack of it) rather than the fact that they follow a particular team or not.

As Rudyard Kipling said "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two impostors just the same - you will be a man my son..." And therein lies the problem - trouble flares when people experience defeat or miss out on a victory and just can't handle it.

Partisanship then leads to prejudice, which in turn precludes the fair evaluation of facts. It also leads to self-righteousness and intolerance.

The problem is not with deeply held convictions, it’s that too many people often think that the more intensely they believe something, the more likely it is that they’re right.

This leads to ranting and name-calling by both Red & Blue which actually does a disservice to both of our clubs.

There are no winners in all of this.

(Don't know what the answer is by the way!!)

all in all then........the headlock is the best solution.

[Philbert]

Originally Posted by robbief

all in all then........the headlock is the best solution.

Probably!

[drewy]

Originally Posted by Philbert

A considered, broader view.....

I think the problem has more to do with individuals and their level of maturity (or lack of it) rather than the fact that they follow a particular team or not.

As Rudyard Kipling said "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two impostors just the same - you will be a man my son..." And therein lies the problem - trouble flares when people experience defeat or miss out on a victory and just can't handle it.

Partisanship then leads to prejudice, which in turn precludes the fair evaluation of facts. It also leads to self-righteousness and intolerance.

The problem is not with deeply held convictions, it’s that too many people often think that the more intensely they believe something, the more likely it is that they’re right.

This leads to ranting and name-calling by both Red & Blue which actually does a disservice to both of our clubs.

There are no winners in all of this.

(Don't know what the answer is by the way!!)

Are you related to Dilbert?

[Bourbon]

A high proportion of these people are deeply psychologically imbalanced.

True story.

[Philbert]

Originally Posted by drewy

Are you related to Dilbert?

Possibly!

Actually no - but it was nickname I got in work because we're all big Dilbert fans, my first name is Phil....but there were about 6 other lads called Phil - hence Philbert.

I'll get me coat...

[westderbian]

I think the problem is that most of the younger bitters now are being brought up to hate us and have this chip on their shoulder, whether it's from their Dad/other family members or (what is more likely) from the 'hardcore' pricks they meet on away coaches or in the Gladwy Street. You can see that they want to be like them and so start taking on the same ideas, singing the songs etc.

I think I've got a bit of first hand knowledge about this seeing as I'm only 18 and it's just things like hearing some of my bluenose mates, since they've started going the game, coming out with completely misinformed shite about Heysel, finding it harder to say stuff like 'what was the Liverpool match like mate?' as they used to and even becoming a bit racist. I'm far from a fucking angel myself like, but when I first started going the aways I used to go on raotl (even though I could never get registered) and just from hearing people on their talking sense you get the idea of how should go about being a genuine red - as well as the fact that I'm lucky enough to have a family who all go the game and all know the score. If I didn't have either of those though and I went to every away game on Barnes I reckon I would have been a bit more inclined to join in the Munich shouts at OT on Sunday.

[PaulMcC]

Unsworth said that the Blues are brought up to hate Liverpool.

[Fugitive]

Originally Posted by westderbian

If I didn't have either of those though and I went to every away game on Barnes I reckon I would have been a bit more inclined to join in the Munich shouts at OT on Sunday.

Pretty much the same here. We usually drive to the away games but decided to get the Coach down to Chelsea and booked with Happy Al's. It was just constant Munich songs all the way there and back which was really bad. One oldish fella at the front stood up and called them all a bunch of hypocrites when they started shouting 'Justice, Justice' but they just carried on. The back of the Coach got ripped apart and made me realise why I dont bother getting the coaches very often.

[Redwooly]

It all comes down to identity really. Football could be seen as the modern day forum for tribalism. The football becames a tool to prove how good our city is. Some tits just take it way too far. Let me explain.

I am the archetypal plastic scouser. All my family are from Liverpool and i partly grew up in Crocky, but i am from Wigan. As a result i am overly and fiercly passionate of my scouse roots despite my George Formby accent (who incidently lived just over the road). All this being said, i have always been unable to hate the blues as much as i should because they are from Liverpool. They just dont seem to see it lke that. Id not been to a derby for a while and in Wigan the fans are roughly split 50/50 bewteen Liverpool and United fans (dont believe its a rugby town or a Latics town - its not, wiganers have always supported Liverpool or United), so i dont see many blues but the murderes shit surprsed me. Forgive my naiiveness but i didnt expect that from them and how any scouser can brag about reading the sun just confuses me.

They obviously dont know their